O.K BUT I'M TELLIN' YOU IS THAT THERE'S ALWAYS SELLOUT CROWDS. THE STADIUM IS ALWAYS FULL. HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHO SHOWED UP?
And AGAIN...I'm telling you that selling out is different than SHOWING UP TO THE GAME. The stadium may be full...but obiously every single seat doesn't have someone sitting in it.
They keep track of who shows up to the game...every stadium does this.
HOW'S THAT? THE CITY COULD'VE gOT A LOAN AND BOUgHT THE TEAM. HOW DID CLEVELAND gET A NEW TEAM THEN?
People were willing to buy the team...that wasn't the problem. The problem was that Modell was a fuckin' asshole and decided to move the team.
There is NOTHING the fans could do. Fans can only go and support the team...they don't have a say on the business side of things.
They got a new team by working out a deal with Modell and the league. We couldn't stop him from moving the team, so they gave us the rights to an expansion team.
YEAH, LABELS AND NAMES ARE JUST THAT. BUT IN ACTUALITY, WHAT IS IT?
In actuality...it's what you call the team. I REALLY don't see what is so hard to understand about that.
What do you call yourself? You call yourself EDJ...you don't call yourself a man who lives in Denver.
YES THERE IS. THE LEgACY STAYS WITH THE BROWNS NAME AND THE CITY OF ORIgIN. BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THE TEAM THAT LEFT WAS THE ORIgINAL TEAM WITH THAT LEgACY. YOU PERCEIVIN' IT BY THE LABELS. I'M LOOKIN' AT IT AS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.
It's the SAME CITY...with the SAME NAME...SAME COLORS...SAME EVERYTHING...why should there be no more legacy?
The only difference is the players...but players change every year.
And of course I'm looking at the label cause that what you call them. Is Portis still a Bronco? NO...he's a Redskin now...but by your logic he still a Bronco cause he used to play for Denver.
YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT. YOU SAID THEY MOVED TO A CITY THAT "NEVA" HAD A TEAM. I'M JUST CORRECTIN' YOU CAUSE THAT CITY DID HAVE A TEAM "AT ONE TIME".
I know what I said...I was being more specific this time. I DID NOT say "NEVA" had a team. I said a city that "didn't even have a team" (which they didn't). So I'm adding AT THAT TIME.
You know what I meant...stop nit-pickin' my shit.
gLAD TO SEE THAT YOU ADMITTIN' THAT YOU AIN'T LOOKIN' AT IT FROM A FACTUAL AND REALISTIC WAY. WHY? CAN'T FAKE THE FUNK.
I am looking at it in a factual and realistic way. YOU are the one who is not. When you see the Browns and Ravens on TV...it doesn't say "Expansion team from '99", or "Old Browns".
Yes...we all know what happened...but to still call them that is just stupid.
I KNOW WHAT THEY SAY. BUT THAT'S NOT REALITY. THAT'S ACTUALITY. THOSE TEAMS HAVE THOSE NAMES NOW AND THEIR CURRENT FANS CALL THEM BY THOSE. BUT WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S REALLY REAL. CLEVELAND COULDN'T KEEP THEY ORIgINAL TEAM AND FOR THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED #1 FANS.
That is reality...what in the hell are you talking about?
Again...what do you call Clinton Portis? He's a Washington Redskin. He's not a Denver Bronco anymore.
But by your lame logic...fans should be calling him an old Denver Bronco instead of a Redskin.
The CITY couldn't keep the team...you can't blame that on the FANS. Fans show up to the games and buy shit to support their team...that's all they can do.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU ATTEMPTIN' TO BELITTLE ME? BUT THE TEAM DIDN'T MEAN ENOUgH FOR THEM TO RETAIN IT. IN THIS BUSINESS, IT JUST SPELL IT OUT THAT IT AIN'T AIN'T EVEN ABOUT LOYALTY.
I'm not attempting to belittle you...that's not my intention anyway. But you DON'T know what you are talking about.
You know that the Browns moved...and you're blaming it on the fans...when that is not the case.
So you are speaking on something you don't know about...and it's dumb. I would say the same thing to my best friend...don't take it personal.
HOLD UP, YOU SAID THAT IN RESPONSE TO CLEVELAND DOIN' SOMETHIN' TO RETAIN THE TEAM, NOT AFTER THE FACT. WHICH IS IT?
I mentioned the rioting and tearing up of the stadium in response to you saying the fans should have been in an uproar.
Let me also add the Modell has not been back to Cleveland for fear of his life. He couldn't even attend one of his best friends' funeral cause he was so scared.
And he's basically been blocked from the Hall of Fame for moving the team...even though he's long been considered a lock.
YOU EVA HEARD OF AN AUCTION? WHAT WERE ART MODELL'S CONDITIONS IN KEEPIN' THE BROWNS IN CLEVELAND? WHAT WAS HIS ASKIN' PRICE?
Yes...I've heard of an auction. I don't see how that relates to this though.
The story is WAY too long...but basically Modell wanted the CITY to make improvements to the old Municipal Stadium...even though HE OWNED IT.
The Indians played there, rock concerts were held there, he made money off the suites...they all paid to use the stadium. But yet...he had no money to renovate the stadium?
So the Indians left...along with a lot of the suites business...and he had nothing left.
Basically...he was a dumb-ass business man who made himself bankrupt and wanted the city to bail him out. His relationship with the city went bad...and he moved the team.
Baltimore was giving him a brand new stadium and $50 million in his pocket as a thank you gift.
He got to keep the team...and make a profit.
Yes...and he should die.
O.K. KEEP SAYIN' THAT TO YOURSELF IF IT MAKES YOU HAPPY. IT JUST SEEMS FAKE TO ME TO CONSIDER IT THE SAME TEAM, CAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT AIN'T.
It's not a matter of making me happy...it is what it is. It is the same team...only difference is the players.
But players change every year...what's the difference?
Obviously.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAY THE MUTHA-FUKA IS SOME BULLSHIT.
But it's not. This isn't the first time Cleveland has been shown to be the No. 1 fans in the NFL.
Also...don't forget average income is a factor in this as well. The average income in Denver is higher than in Cleveland.
WHICH gAME? I gUARANTEE YOU OUR TURN OUT IS MORE THAN OTHA TEAMS. BUT IF YOU gOIN' BY STATS AND THIS BULLSHIT STUDY, YOU gONNA THINK DENVER DOESN'T HAVE ALL THEY FANS SHOWIN' UP. PEOPLE IN COLORADO AND DENVER PERIOD KNOWN TO SUPPORT THE HOME TEAM. LOOK AT THE ROCCIES ATTENDANCE RECORDS. WE BROKE THAT SHIT WHEN WE gOT THE TEAM IN 93'. IT gOES TO SHOW HOW WE IS ABOUT OUR SPORTS.
Which game? Check out your Denver Broncos official site. Go here.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=367&searchString=attendance&searchType=
You still want to guarantee shit? As you can see...not every seat was filled. And if that doesn't answer your question, then write the people who did the study.
THE STATS DON'T SHOW WHO WAS OUTSIDE THE STADIUM OR WHO gOT IN ILLEgALLY OR HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE IN ACTUALITY. SO HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE?[/QUOTE]
OUTSIDE is not INSIDE the stadium. The players can't see or hear you from outside.
The stadium keeps track of how many people show up...as shown in that link I provided. They obviously feel it's official enough to post on the site.