Jazz was only black..lol You should really read the "Quincy Jones" Book he was at the forefront of the scene. Have you heard of Tito Puntes ripping it up in Harlem in the 50's? Have you been to the Bronx. So I guess your using VH! hip hop honnors or Yo MTV raps as your credible source of hip hop history? Alot of historic rappers ared mixed. Oh yeah I'm not changing my opinon.
Black culture beyond hip-hop
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I will never think of hip hop as a black thing. I dunno, maybe becaues I'm mixed or because I don't just kick it with one race, but there's been too much contribution by other races in the beginning of it to just be a black thing. saying that its mostly black so therefore its black culture is kinda ridiculous, thats like saying basketball is a black thing cuz the majority of the nba is black.
damn right cant even argue wit that...and that soul was stolen and put in a bottle to be sold...i love everbody's culture but i hate when people especially white people steal somebodies culture just cuz they got none...if you gonna be cool wit us dont disrespect us by sayin shit like " everybody contributed to hip hop"...no blacks and latino's started this shit...and if u dont think latino's werent contributors think again...hip hop was and is music for the opressed not the people doing the opression...sum of yall parents probly was tryin real hard to make sure thier precious babies didnt hear this "nigger music"
Hip-Hop isn't Black culture, but Black culture created Hip-Hop. Now that doesn't mean that the need to express oneself through music is something that only Black people can relate to...That need is universal and that's why Hip-Hop at it's roots is so powerful. When you create something the whole world wants a part of then you have created something special. It's sad to see the lack of balance within Hip-Hop music today, but that's what happens when you write off your rights to be creative to pimp the game for some quick money.
Good point. Small example, Japanese guy (DJ Nigo) created BAPES. Everyone and their dang mama started wearing Bapes whatever color they were. Point is he created something special that people of all walks of life wanted to get in on. Everyone, let's get back to the focus of the article and not thread jack this into general Racism ranting.
HIP HOPPERS DAYUM CALM DOWN MANE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS NE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS NEW SHIT THEY CALL HIP HOP HIP HOP IS JUS LIKE JAZZ BLUD WAS SAYIN BECAUSE THE MOST MILITANT BROTHAS HAD KIND OF COLORS IN THEIR BANDS AS LONG AS CAT HAD TALENT. WHERE IS THE TALENT NOW? U CATS IS DIE HARD LIL WAYNE FANS BUYIN THAT GARBAGE AND WONDERIN WHY THE BAY AIN'T BLOWN YET. I LISTEN TO MILES, COLTRANE, DONALD BYRD, IDRIS MUHAMED, ETC. THE GOOD BAY MOB SHIT IS COOL. CLASSIC BAY SLAPS I DIG A LOT. BUT THIS NEW GENERATION IS ALL FUCKED UP. RAPPERS WANNA SING, SINGERS WANNA RAP, AND ALL THESE FAGS WANNA DANCE. BACK IN THE DAY SINGERS SUNG THEY ASS OFF FOR THIS SHIT. RAPPERS USED TO HAVE SKILLS. THERE WAS NEVER NO FAKE ASS GIMMICK RAPPERS TIL NOW. I'M GLAD I WAS AROUND AT THE GOLDEN AGE OF RAP. 1995.
Why do people always try to take away credit from Blacks when it comes to popular music. "hip hop" is not black, "Jazz is not black", "Rock is not black". Typical , just because you want to participate and you're not black does not mean it's not black music. What is it then? Where did it come from? That shit was born in the hood, full of blacks and latinos'. Most of those Latinos were black Latinos too. Puerto Ricans, Dominicans etc. Whats going to be the new art form that whites try to discredit blacks from.
You make a reasonable point in regards to the education system. I believe the article addresses the whole idea of seeing the veterans of the street to be role models. Your opinion on the nature of people of color and blending into corporate America and kissing the white man's ass is actually two different statements IMO. You don't have to kiss the "White Man" to succeed in the "Corporate America". I'm not saying the world, ESPECIALLY, the corporate world is not racist, far from it. I just don't like this generation to make excuses for not being successful.
You said that take away Hip Hop and we'll still have the same problems as people of color, what problems? Is it the "we're suppressed by the white man" type of problems? Racism is there, but we can't forget that this is 2007. We may have moved a miniscule amount forward since the Civil Rights Era, but do we blame the White Devil for that? Maybe partially but where does the rest of the blame go?
Doc Truth: People trying to say those musical genres aren't black because we currently live in a politically correct society. It's similar to someone saying Kung Fu isn't Chinese because so many people of so many races currently do Kung Fu, so hence it's a mixed thing. Doesn't make any sense but makes people feel good inside, like we're just one big United Colors of Benetton ad. Only the grown folks will know what ad that is.
You said that take away Hip Hop and we'll still have the same problems as people of color, what problems? Is it the "we're suppressed by the white man" type of problems? Racism is there, but we can't forget that this is 2007. We may have moved a miniscule amount forward since the Civil Rights Era, but do we blame the White Devil for that? Maybe partially but where does the rest of the blame go?
Doc Truth: People trying to say those musical genres aren't black because we currently live in a politically correct society. It's similar to someone saying Kung Fu isn't Chinese because so many people of so many races currently do Kung Fu, so hence it's a mixed thing. Doesn't make any sense but makes people feel good inside, like we're just one big United Colors of Benetton ad. Only the grown folks will know what ad that is.
Thing is, color doesn't matter when it comes to being broke. Poverty is blind, and it isn't so much oppression these days as it is unwillingness or inability. I'm not talkin' about blacks and latinos either, I'm talking about everybody who is stuck in a shithole across the country. From the hoods in South Central to the trailer parks in the midwest. From the OG on the porch in L.A to the toothless cat playin' a banjo in the deep southern part of Mississippi.
A BIG problem is, folks are looking to make the most money with the least amount of effort. Kids are lazy, parents are lazy, people are just LAZY these days. The viscious circle that never ends, has a lot to do with people coming up with these mentalities that they have to hustle and not learn. More minorities could be doctors, lawyers, etc...but the reality is, a lot of kids aren't going to school in HIGH SCHOOL, let alone 8 years of college. Now, like I said, it's not just limited to one or two races...that shit goes all across the board...but the school success rate in places like Oakland, L.A., etc. is very poor. Lack of educational programs, and lack of drive on the parts of the kids that should be using their brains, contribute to this shit.
The government doesn't have the POWER to hold a race or generation of people down. Folks need to start using their brains instead of falling victim to the circumstances of their existence.
A BIG problem is, folks are looking to make the most money with the least amount of effort. Kids are lazy, parents are lazy, people are just LAZY these days. The viscious circle that never ends, has a lot to do with people coming up with these mentalities that they have to hustle and not learn. More minorities could be doctors, lawyers, etc...but the reality is, a lot of kids aren't going to school in HIGH SCHOOL, let alone 8 years of college. Now, like I said, it's not just limited to one or two races...that shit goes all across the board...but the school success rate in places like Oakland, L.A., etc. is very poor. Lack of educational programs, and lack of drive on the parts of the kids that should be using their brains, contribute to this shit.
The government doesn't have the POWER to hold a race or generation of people down. Folks need to start using their brains instead of falling victim to the circumstances of their existence.
Drug Addiction, prostitution, poverty, lack of healthcare can all be taken care of if folks would use their brains, stand up and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! People in the 60s and 70s were ACTIVE! They didn't protest and fight for rights via mail or internet, they got the fuck up and stood in the face of society until shit was clear. It's sad too, because a lot of folks don't have that drive these days.
You know what else? Back then, people were teaching their kids shit. I don't see anybody doing a damn thing these days for children. It's like that generation just fell down and stayed down, rather than further educating themselves and making life a little better for them and their families.
Police Brutality happens across the world. People in power abuse it, and that's just how it goes. It's not just black and latino folks in the U.S., it's people EVERYWHERE! I've seen whites, asians, and various other people take a beating from the 50's. It might be like that in areas where it's mostly black folks, or mostly latino folks...but if you mix up the population, you'd see that it happens to EVERYBODY if the cop is on a fuckin ego trip.
Racism has been around since the beginning of time. Regions have always tried to dominate other regions because they believed themselves to be superior. Whites are racist, blacks are racist, Mexicans are racist...EVERY ETHNICITY has racist people. How many times have I heard a black comedian say the word CRACKER? When the roles are reversed, a white comedian has hell to pay. Don Imus just said NAPPY HEADED HOES...AND HE WAS REFERRING TO A BASKETBALL TEAM WITH WHITE GIRLS ON IT TOO!
Everything else, social problems, can all be turned around if people just had the fight in them.
You know what else? Back then, people were teaching their kids shit. I don't see anybody doing a damn thing these days for children. It's like that generation just fell down and stayed down, rather than further educating themselves and making life a little better for them and their families.
Police Brutality happens across the world. People in power abuse it, and that's just how it goes. It's not just black and latino folks in the U.S., it's people EVERYWHERE! I've seen whites, asians, and various other people take a beating from the 50's. It might be like that in areas where it's mostly black folks, or mostly latino folks...but if you mix up the population, you'd see that it happens to EVERYBODY if the cop is on a fuckin ego trip.
Racism has been around since the beginning of time. Regions have always tried to dominate other regions because they believed themselves to be superior. Whites are racist, blacks are racist, Mexicans are racist...EVERY ETHNICITY has racist people. How many times have I heard a black comedian say the word CRACKER? When the roles are reversed, a white comedian has hell to pay. Don Imus just said NAPPY HEADED HOES...AND HE WAS REFERRING TO A BASKETBALL TEAM WITH WHITE GIRLS ON IT TOO!
Everything else, social problems, can all be turned around if people just had the fight in them.
Dude, did you read my post? Only two things you've mentioned are things that cannot be avoided, Racism and police brutality. You don't have to be a trick, you don't have to be broke, you don't have to be on medicare, you don't have to be a junkie. You can't blame that on the all-powerful white man. I understand your point that all this is going against "us". I just want to try and keep a positive (Glass half-full) outlook instead of just blaming the White Devil for everything that's wrong with my life. Instead we're seeing the after-effects of a whole generation that wants to play the blame game. You make good points that there are other variables that take our lives off course. We can't ever forget that, we just have to learn that it's there and work around it somehow. If not, might as well pop that .45 in your mouth and pull the trigger, stop wasting time in this shitty country (sarcastic).
Last thing, COLOR DOES MATTER. But like I said above, gotta find a way around that....GO TO SCHOOL YOU LAZY-ASS KIDS. =)
Last thing, COLOR DOES MATTER. But like I said above, gotta find a way around that....GO TO SCHOOL YOU LAZY-ASS KIDS. =)
Because people lay down and let people step on 'em. Color DOESN'T MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO POVERTY! Like I said, there are white folks that are broke as fuck out there. There are Asians, Mexicans, etc. that are poor as fuck. Poverty HAS NO BOUNDARIES! I know that's hard to swallow, but it's true. I understand OPPRESSION caused problems...but who is oppressed in 2007? Who doesn't have an opportunity in 2007? If people got educated, and went after some shit, they could get it. But, like I said, cats have drive to hustle but aren't patient enough to learn.
The circle can be broken, and if you teach your kids otherwise, the circle will continue.
The circle can be broken, and if you teach your kids otherwise, the circle will continue.