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Sydal said:
No, I don't need to learn about black history and sociology. I do go to college, and I do know my shit...you don't need to remind me. I am a rapper, yes...but I have a 3.75 GPA dude...from Cultural Anthropology to US and World History...to Ethnic Studies and Business.

I have a question. Were YOU a victim of slavery? Were you alive during the Civil Rights movement?? I mean, I can see why you might be angry about it all. BUT, why don't Jewish people run around pist off at everybody? They've had it worse than any race combined...yet they still manage to rise above it and prosper, and you're here complaining about slavery (which was abolished over 100 years ago).

Better question...why don't any of my friends (who are black), complain about the same shit that you do? Why do they have jobs, make money, and teach their kids a better way?? Why do they decide not to go to jail...and live by that promise and make their lives better for themselves and their families? Why did my best friend, whose mom AND dad were in prison for 60 years, go to school, get good grades, and turn to positive shit?? I just want to know why SOME people complain, yet the ones I know say shit like, "I wasn't a slave...I'm not gonna act like I was".
Because you have a high GPA does not mean you are not a right winged republican with your views. Anyways I dont believe you're in college let alone a cultural anthropologist because you sound like Rush Limbaugh with that bullshit about Slavery not affecting me or blacks anymore. How the fuck can you discount a system of oppression that built the financial structure of the entire country? There are families still rich from the slavery money that was made in the 17th and 18th century.
 
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Doc Truth said:
Because you have a high GPA does not mean you are not a right winged republican with your views. Anyways I dont believe you're in college let alone a cultural anthropologist because you sound like Rush Limbaugh with that bullshit about Slavery not affecting me or blacks anymore. How the fuck can you discount a system of oppression that built the financial structure of the entire country? There are families still rich from the slavery money that was made in the 17th and 18th century.
First of all, I'm not a RIGHTY or a LEFTY! I tend to go with whoever makes the most sense...I sit right in the middle...an Independent cat. Don't believe I'm in college, that doesn't affect me. Fact of the matter is, I go to school, I learn shit, and I'm good at it, because I leave my mind open...and I argue with people when they slant shit. I aced Cultural Anthropology, which was slanted towards people of Spanish and Indian heritage because my professor was Mexican and loved to sway everything towards indigenous and Spanish cultures. I got him to talk about EVERYBODY, not just what he wanted to talk about. I'll fax you a copy of my Bachelor's Degree when I get it, if you really doubt me.

Another thing, I'm not discounting anything. I know people are still living off slavery money. I just want to know why you're still focused on that shit though, when you should have your head up and be determined to do whatever the fuck you have to in order to make your situation better and help other folks in your community rise above it???? AM I WRONG for thinking people can uplift themselves and those around them, regardless of the circumstances??
 
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Sydal said:
First of all, I'm not a RIGHTY or a LEFTY! I tend to go with whoever makes the most sense...I sit right in the middle...an Independent cat. Don't believe I'm in college, that doesn't affect me. Fact of the matter is, I go to school, I learn shit, and I'm good at it, because I leave my mind open...and I argue with people when they slant shit. I aced Cultural Anthropology, which was slanted towards people of Spanish and Indian heritage because my professor was Mexican and loved to sway everything towards indigenous and Spanish cultures. I got him to talk about EVERYBODY, not just what he wanted to talk about. I'll fax you a copy of my Bachelor's Degree when I get it, if you really doubt me.

Another thing, I'm not discounting anything. I know people are still living off slavery money. I just want to know why you're still focused on that shit though, when you should have your head up and be determined to do whatever the fuck you have to in order to make your situation better and help other folks in your community rise above it???? AM I WRONG for thinking people can uplift themselves and those around them, regardless of the circumstances??
I feel what what you saying man, you're getting it twisted. I'm not one of those cats who sits around and blames slavery for all our problems. I just know they are the CAUSE of all of our problems. Slavery, Institutionalized racism, oppression. Blacks need to stop sitting around and complaining and not DOING anything about it. My point is those are the causes but we cannot dwell on that. We can't discount them either. Shit the Jews never forget the holocaust we can't forget the black version of that. Slavery.
 
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DOC TRUTh i can tell by your attitude u wanna of them complacent ass niggaz. Ok slavey has a big affect. wow. slavery doesn't make u use drugs, slavery doesn't make u sell drugs, slavery doesnt make u whore your body and the list can go for days. complacent ass niggaz just want the easy way out. even if slavery didn't happen, would we be better off in africa? Take a look at the continent and ask ya self? u first have to anaylze the mind-set of the African mind to find out why we act this way. then when u do that and have enough reason in your brain u can realize god put us in slavery for a reaosn.
 
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Doc Truth said:
I feel what what you saying man, you're getting it twisted. I'm not one of those cats who sits around and blames slavery for all our problems. I just know they are the CAUSE of all of our problems. Slavery, Institutionalized racism, oppression. Blacks need to stop sitting around and complaining and not DOING anything about it. My point is those are the causes but we cannot dwell on that. We can't discount them either. Shit the Jews never forget the holocaust we can't forget the black version of that. Slavery.
Right...my whole point is EVERYBODY can rise above their hardships if they set their mind to it. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with slavery, racism, any of that shit...it makes me sick to my stomach. But it also makes me sick to see people roll over and die because of it. I want people to stand up like they did 30-40 years ago and say FUCK THAT, WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR OURSELVES, SINCE NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT!

That's all I'm saying. I want America to get better...'cause there's a lot of fucked up shit goin' on that needs to stop.
 
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Sydal said:
No, JUDAISM is not a race...but Jewish is a race of people. You don't believe that either? Go ask a Jewish person. Confused the shit out of me too until a Jewish person told me that.
Huh? First of all "Race" is a made up term. There is technically no such thing as a Race since all humans have the same genetic make up. There are however three make ups that humans come in. Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. "Jew" is nothing more than a person who follows Judism a Religion. What about the Black Jews of Ethiopia? Just like Christian is not a race. Neither is "Jew" thats ridiculous. Tell those "Jews" who told you that they are dumb as hell. Sammy Davis Jr. Was a Jew.
 
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king of the O said:
DOC TRUTh i can tell by your attitude u wanna of them complacent ass niggaz. Ok slavey has a big affect. wow. slavery doesn't make u use drugs, slavery doesn't make u sell drugs, slavery doesnt make u whore your body and the list can go for days. complacent ass niggaz just want the easy way out. even if slavery didn't happen, would we be better off in africa? Take a look at the continent and ask ya self? u first have to anaylze the mind-set of the African mind to find out why we act this way. then when u do that and have enough reason in your brain u can realize god put us in slavery for a reaosn.
You're lost bruh, get at me when you grow up. You don't even know what "Complacent" means.
 
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Sydal said:
Right...my whole point is EVERYBODY can rise above their hardships if they set their mind to it. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with slavery, racism, any of that shit...it makes me sick to my stomach. But it also makes me sick to see people roll over and die because of it. I want people to stand up like they did 30-40 years ago and say FUCK THAT, WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR OURSELVES, SINCE NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT!

But stand up and do what? the problem we have is very difficult becauseit is with in the ghettos and communities. u have to change the core minde set of individuals. thats almost impossible when they gettin brainwashed everyday by bet, talkin bout get money which seems to be the new underline theme of every rap song.
 
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king of the O said:
m just tellin u how i see it bruh. u seem pretty young when u only focusing on the point that i called u complacent.
Complacent means not giving a fuck and being comfortable with the current situation. It makes no sense when relating it to this conversation. People who are complacent are people like you who just say "oh well thats just how it is get over it".
 
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king of the O said:
DOC TRUTh i can tell by your attitude u wanna of them complacent ass niggaz. Ok slavey has a big affect. wow. slavery doesn't make u use drugs, slavery doesn't make u sell drugs, slavery doesnt make u whore your body and the list can go for days. complacent ass niggaz just want the easy way out. even if slavery didn't happen, would we be better off in africa? Take a look at the continent and ask ya self? u first have to anaylze the mind-set of the African mind to find out why we act this way. then when u do that and have enough reason in your brain u can realize god put us in slavery for a reaosn.
get the fuck outta here.. i hope u aint black, if so you are a house nigger at its FINEST. god put us in slavery? yall still believin in that nigga? the only reason u believe in your "god" is cuz the white muthafuckas that brought us over here GAVE us that shit to BEHAVE. we would be better off in africa? hella muthafuckin yea! u think all the bullshit that africa is dealing with now is NATURAL? do some research, learn your fuckin history. Black people were LITERALLY fucking GODS to these recessive muthafuckas.

this shit is too deep for you brainwashed minds to even comprehend so i aint even gonna go any deeper because this is BART. i would be wasting my time tryna break this shit down to u blind muthafuckas

damn this shit is sad and @ SYDAL isnt it weird how EVERY SINGLE PERSON or Group that has TRIED to lift up our black people and start something Positive gets KILLED?

The panthers= dead or in jail= no leadership for the next generation= gangs=drugs=greed=division.

we are ALL still slaves til this day. realize that shit next time u punch in that clock and pay your taxes.
 

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JUMPING IN as this thread needs a ref with a whistle.

There's two points you guys are arguing, which needs to get dropped just to save some sanity and name calling.

1. Slavery had a huge impact on the socio-economic path of African-Americans.
2. You shouldn't use slavery "Racism" to keep you down.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT! Now let's get passed that and continue.
 
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J:M said:
^^^Finally. I was waiting for someone to bring that up. That's the true master of this country. Using racism or any other type of oppression successfully hides the true nature of what this country has transformed to. Rich vs. Poor. Going back to the article, it's the desire for the greenbacks that cause people to make the decisions they do. People from the hood eventually get to the fork in the road in their lives, working 9 to 5 or hittin the streets from 5-9. We have to figure out why people choose the wrong path and resolve that issue. Yes! It is an issue, we all know it. Stop all this ranting about racism this racism that, get off your ass and do something about it, if not go prepare me that #1 with super-sized fries that I asked for 10 minutes ago.
As a white / Mexican who looks / identifies white, I often have a hard time discussing this shit with my black patnas. They wanna act like every single roadblock in their life is part of a greater scheme, and they look so hard to connect the dots that they find an excuse or answer for everything inside this elusive, multi-tiered scheme to stop Black people.

And yes, Sydal is an idiot, race DOES matter. It seems like every wigger on the Sicc always wants to pull out that colorblind card because they feel less valued or important in hip-hop when race has meaning.

But the fact of the matter is no matter for as many Cointelpros, Emmet Tills, Black Wall Streets, and James Byrds, there are Black men and women out there making self-destructive choices on a day to day basis and defending it by invoking the almighty conspiracy.

Some key things that greatly hinder Black america imo

1. "Im about my money I get money" and the obsession with materialism in the Black community is the result of a large-scale attempt to assert oneself as "not broke" and "not a *****". In fact it is what keeps Black people from real wealth or money as people clamor for clothes, cars, and meaningless trinkets and jewelry.

2. The idea (honestly believed by many Black folks, esp. among youth) that a Black man or a Black woman can not be faithful - that the sex drive of Black people is such that to not have sex or have sex with a single partner is impossible. This is also steeped in racism / white supremacist beliefs and another completely changeable, preventable factor.
 
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Thats y i called u compacent. u talking about racism and oppression of the past for being the excuse of why niggaz dont wanna be shit sounds pretty complacent to me bruh. all you've done is just give excuse from the start from racisom, to oppression, to institionalized racsim. racism is a reality and it aint goin nowhere so yeah im complacent about that and i been got over it. but those racists pricks still got to follow the rules of the law so they cant stop me from gettin up, startin a business, doin contracts, or doin whatever that a make me stay outta of the laws way. shit im not gonna waste my time to make a cd talkin about nonsense, so i get radio spins, then get make a music video to portray that all i can be in life is a sambo
 
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Miguel Foreals said:
get the fuck outta here.. i hope u aint black, if so you are a house nigger at its FINEST. god put us in slavery? yall still believin in that nigga? the only reason u believe in your "god" is cuz the white muthafuckas that brought us over here GAVE us that shit to BEHAVE. we would be better off in africa? hella muthafuckin yea! u think all the bullshit that africa is dealing with now is NATURAL? do some research, learn your fuckin history. Black people were LITERALLY fucking GODS to these recessive muthafuckas.

this shit is too deep for you brainwashed minds to even comprehend so i aint even gonna go any deeper because this is BART. i would be wasting my time tryna break this shit down to u blind muthafuckas

damn this shit is sad and @ SYDAL isnt it weird how EVERY SINGLE PERSON or Group that has TRIED to lift up our black people and start something Positive gets KILLED?

The panthers= dead or in jail= no leadership for the next generation= gangs=drugs=greed=division.

we are ALL still slaves til this day. realize that shit next time u punch in that clock and pay your taxes.
Yeah ignore him bruh, he said God put is in slavery for a reason. Shits sad, niggas are LOST. If that ain't some self hate shit I don't know what is.
 
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Sydal said:
Right...my whole point is EVERYBODY can rise above their hardships if they set their mind to it. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with slavery, racism, any of that shit...it makes me sick to my stomach. But it also makes me sick to see people roll over and die because of it. I want people to stand up like they did 30-40 years ago and say FUCK THAT, WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR OURSELVES, SINCE NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT!

That's all I'm saying. I want America to get better...'cause there's a lot of fucked up shit goin' on that needs to stop.
Umm no, everybody CAN'T rise out of it "If they put their mind to it". If you spent just one day in the hood you'd realize that.
 
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i swear every year on the siccness im reminded that there r people that are color blind - in an ignorant way. I've also come to realize that some people just dont want to recognize black culture.

Put it like this, if there werent Black folks there wouldnt be any Rap/Hip Hop, EVEN if Latin, White & Asians were around. That statement is only true as is.

As some of you have said, Rap/Hip Hop is not exclusive to only Black but goddamn stop tryn to act like its not a spawned and created SIGNIFICANTLY by black folks. I love how homie keeps sayin its not a Black thing, its a black & latin thing. why u keep throwin in Latin? There were latin people who liked and propegated the new form of black contemporary music what we call hip hop and rap. I dont recall a latin version of James Brown, Gil Scott Heron, Curtis Mayfield, Muddy Waters, Sugar Hill Gang and I can the list goes on. Its no secret rap came after the Black Power movement of the 70s

what u gonna tell me next, the term 'Nigga' was equally propegated by Blacks and Latins?!?! get it str8 homie