Blacc on Blacc VIOLENCE
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Of course Spanish is a colonizer language. Tell me something I don't know.
I'm gonna go with, Most people who speak Spanish and are Mestizos, are Latinos.
Are there exceptions? Let's see. Has someone ever ordered a Diet Dr. Pepper and gotten a regular Dr Pepper instead? That about covers it.
Except for the fact that Spanish colonizers did not literally destroy their languages. Mexicans are free to learn Nahua or Maya as a Second Language, Quechua can be learned in Bolivia, and so on. Spanish is required professionally, but is nowhere near required at home.
English, however, has been Prescribed for Blacks. And that is that. There is no other local or ancestoral language to pick-up or re-trace or things like these. It simply does not and effectively cannot happen.
Trust: Spanish is unifying, infinitesimally more than any single African language you can possibly name.
The following has too many questions, and about 8 different topics jammed into one big rambling paragraph, but I will attempt it anyways.
1) I am not going to explain how this will decrease crime. You are a grown ass man, and you can attempt an explanation for yourself. I will then tell you if it is plausible or not. But I am not going to waste my time doing it.
What I will say is that, if by some miracle you can even track down the stats, I will bet you a substantial amount of money that people who learn 3+ languages are, at the very least, half as likely to commit violent crimes. A very specific statement with near-impossible to find research, but...there it is.
2) Not really. We are already split 90/10 or so on political lines, plus the East Coast, West Coast differences and changes in attitude, esp. as it relates to growing up and living around, say, 60-80% Black people, versus the 5-10% in a Washington or Oregon. Simply "being" Black is not enough. One is compelled to do `Black' things, and among the most likely are Singing, Rapping, Playing Basketball, and things like these. Everyone is always clamoring for Education in the Black community...Let's give it to them.
3) Lingua Francas are not about culture exchange and customs. They are about communication. You do not communicate consistently with people you don't like, so of course exchanges and changes will happen. That is the way of the world. The bottom line is that Language is built around inter-familial communication; not economics or government or things like these.
4) Firstly, see above. And secondly, I'm beginning to think you've never studied a foreign language before beyond a few months. You don't have to forsake or give up anything. If you drive a Honda, and one day buy a Jeep, there is nothing that mandates you driving only one or the other, or selling whatever is older, or anything similar. Language is not a posession you put up for display in your living room; it is a tool you keep in your back pocket (no homo).
The reality is that Lingua Francas work. They just do. Right now, the #1 Lingua Franca in the world is English. It is taking over everything, especially Technology and Media. It is steadily creeping into universal usage among poorer nations as well. You can either be "down" with this monolingual activity---which, to me, is hypocritical as shit for the same people who bitch about Big Brother or speak against One World Governments, to do an about-face and completely ignore and even condone the English-Only Movement---or you can be down with learning more, and spreading and building up languages that best apply to individuals and families.
It was a dead language. It was not in active use, and was not being used by a substantial amount of people in everyday situations. -- You speak of Jews, and I am not really talking about Jews. I am talking about Israelis. They took Hebrew from the ashes, and made it what it is today: the OFFICIAL language of Israel. (English is NOT AN/THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE of Israel.) This means that if you are a Jew, wanting to go to Israel, you are more or less compelled to learn some or a lot of Hebrew to not stand out. That is significant.
And ending at the beginning.....the plan does not call for a secret language. It calls for A language, Swahili being the best choice. The fact that nobody here would aruge in favor of another more superior African or Non-Colonizer language, and instead try to cut this whole thing off before it even begins, is very telling that I must be onto something here.
Swahili is the choice. That much, nobody dares to argue. The 'What' is down. The Where I already touched on and alluded to: Everywhere with substantial populations of Blacks--Canada and England among them, up to and eventually including Brazil, Jamaica, Haiti and Cuba. Who is the funny ass part, having already explained how akward it would be for a Non-Black person to use Swahili, knowing that the only real reason would be to look `cool' to Blacks. When and How...working towards that. Give it some time.
As for the "Why".....the much better question is, Why Not. Go ask a foreign language teacher sometime how their students compare to other students. Ask them if people come, and plop down and listen to IPods, generally fucking around during class. It does not happen. You don't take Language Classes for easy A's--you take them to be in an atmosphere of supreme concentration and learning. And that SC&L is exactly what the Black community needs right now.
This may be the wrong thread to bring this up in, but it is something I have brought up in the past and will continue to bring up. It will not go away without first being given a thorough hearing and a substantial test run. I will also apply it to any topic I deem fit, and this one definitely matches that description.
Edit: Left out a bunch of shit...woops.
I'm gonna go with, Most people who speak Spanish and are Mestizos, are Latinos.
Are there exceptions? Let's see. Has someone ever ordered a Diet Dr. Pepper and gotten a regular Dr Pepper instead? That about covers it.
Except for the fact that Spanish colonizers did not literally destroy their languages. Mexicans are free to learn Nahua or Maya as a Second Language, Quechua can be learned in Bolivia, and so on. Spanish is required professionally, but is nowhere near required at home.
English, however, has been Prescribed for Blacks. And that is that. There is no other local or ancestoral language to pick-up or re-trace or things like these. It simply does not and effectively cannot happen.
Trust: Spanish is unifying, infinitesimally more than any single African language you can possibly name.
The following has too many questions, and about 8 different topics jammed into one big rambling paragraph, but I will attempt it anyways.
1) I am not going to explain how this will decrease crime. You are a grown ass man, and you can attempt an explanation for yourself. I will then tell you if it is plausible or not. But I am not going to waste my time doing it.
What I will say is that, if by some miracle you can even track down the stats, I will bet you a substantial amount of money that people who learn 3+ languages are, at the very least, half as likely to commit violent crimes. A very specific statement with near-impossible to find research, but...there it is.
2) Not really. We are already split 90/10 or so on political lines, plus the East Coast, West Coast differences and changes in attitude, esp. as it relates to growing up and living around, say, 60-80% Black people, versus the 5-10% in a Washington or Oregon. Simply "being" Black is not enough. One is compelled to do `Black' things, and among the most likely are Singing, Rapping, Playing Basketball, and things like these. Everyone is always clamoring for Education in the Black community...Let's give it to them.
3) Lingua Francas are not about culture exchange and customs. They are about communication. You do not communicate consistently with people you don't like, so of course exchanges and changes will happen. That is the way of the world. The bottom line is that Language is built around inter-familial communication; not economics or government or things like these.
4) Firstly, see above. And secondly, I'm beginning to think you've never studied a foreign language before beyond a few months. You don't have to forsake or give up anything. If you drive a Honda, and one day buy a Jeep, there is nothing that mandates you driving only one or the other, or selling whatever is older, or anything similar. Language is not a posession you put up for display in your living room; it is a tool you keep in your back pocket (no homo).
The reality is that Lingua Francas work. They just do. Right now, the #1 Lingua Franca in the world is English. It is taking over everything, especially Technology and Media. It is steadily creeping into universal usage among poorer nations as well. You can either be "down" with this monolingual activity---which, to me, is hypocritical as shit for the same people who bitch about Big Brother or speak against One World Governments, to do an about-face and completely ignore and even condone the English-Only Movement---or you can be down with learning more, and spreading and building up languages that best apply to individuals and families.
It was a dead language. It was not in active use, and was not being used by a substantial amount of people in everyday situations. -- You speak of Jews, and I am not really talking about Jews. I am talking about Israelis. They took Hebrew from the ashes, and made it what it is today: the OFFICIAL language of Israel. (English is NOT AN/THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE of Israel.) This means that if you are a Jew, wanting to go to Israel, you are more or less compelled to learn some or a lot of Hebrew to not stand out. That is significant.
And ending at the beginning.....the plan does not call for a secret language. It calls for A language, Swahili being the best choice. The fact that nobody here would aruge in favor of another more superior African or Non-Colonizer language, and instead try to cut this whole thing off before it even begins, is very telling that I must be onto something here.
Swahili is the choice. That much, nobody dares to argue. The 'What' is down. The Where I already touched on and alluded to: Everywhere with substantial populations of Blacks--Canada and England among them, up to and eventually including Brazil, Jamaica, Haiti and Cuba. Who is the funny ass part, having already explained how akward it would be for a Non-Black person to use Swahili, knowing that the only real reason would be to look `cool' to Blacks. When and How...working towards that. Give it some time.
As for the "Why".....the much better question is, Why Not. Go ask a foreign language teacher sometime how their students compare to other students. Ask them if people come, and plop down and listen to IPods, generally fucking around during class. It does not happen. You don't take Language Classes for easy A's--you take them to be in an atmosphere of supreme concentration and learning. And that SC&L is exactly what the Black community needs right now.
This may be the wrong thread to bring this up in, but it is something I have brought up in the past and will continue to bring up. It will not go away without first being given a thorough hearing and a substantial test run. I will also apply it to any topic I deem fit, and this one definitely matches that description.
Edit: Left out a bunch of shit...woops.
Dirty and Heresy I've read your posts but I'm at work right now so I will reply later because it will take me some time looking at the lenght of both replies
But I want to say it's strange that if I argue with this topic and beiing white I am immidiatly (sp?) being painted as a racist. While I never said you or anybodie else shouldn't learn this language, but I will get back on this later
But I want to say it's strange that if I argue with this topic and beiing white I am immidiatly (sp?) being painted as a racist. While I never said you or anybodie else shouldn't learn this language, but I will get back on this later
I did not want to chop your post because I wanted you to devote most of your attention to the other poster. Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to attempt to answer the many questions jammed into one big rambling paragraph.
Nevertheless, you are wasting your time telling the board (comprised mostly of whites) that blacks should use Swahili. The name of the thread is "Blacc on Blacc VIOLENCE" and your first response to the discussion was "Swahili is the key." You introduced Swahili so the burden of proof is on YOU. How will learning a language used in Afrika reduce crime in america? If you cannot provide an explanation or examples on how Swahili can reduce black on black crime or how it is "the key", you have no right getting on iaoish for not providing an alternative to Swahili. Again, I remind you the topic is about black on black crime, but so far, I see no connection between Swahili (or the lack thereof) and black on black crime. If this were a real debate, you would loose on Topicality grounds.
Therefore, you have no proof showing Swahili can reduce black on black crime, yet you are saying Swahili is the key. We are NOT talking about 3+ languages and how those who learn 3+ languages are less likely to commit violent crimes. Your entire position is learning a SECOND language, but you do not introduce a third to validate your claim. If one learns Japanese, German, and Spanish, will this reduce black on black crime? Again, I am asking about Swahili (which you introduced) and how it can reduce black on black crime. I am not asking about how those who have learned +3 languages are less likely to commit violent crimes. Btw, are they less likely to commit ANY crime if they learn 33+ languages? If this were a debate, you would loose for not meeting your stock issues. BTW, when will you cease the red herrings?
I agree we should raise the standards and give more education, but how will learning Swahili reduce black on black crime? Blacks encounter division on a political scale, from the rest of america on an economic scale, from each other due to living arrangements and coast wars, but you are saying we have a common bond in "Black" things. These so-called black things are not limited to blacks. While it is true that blacks do comprise the majority of those in the entertainment fields, it is also true that blacks do not control the majority of the money generated from such fields. How will Swahili increase black ownership in these markets?
Point taken, but if culture and economics are not a factor, you can expect one culture to be forgotten. If this is a communication issue, it is absurd to think one language and culture will not be forgotten.
If your assumption is true, I thank God for having learned a foreign language for a few months.
No one is implying it is something that you SHOULD forsake or give up, but what are the chances of you keeping your original language and customs when you are used to your own? Take West-Afrika and Hausa for example. What would happen if the majority started to use Swahili? You do realize some languages have roots in the culture/history of those who speak it. If you yank this away or force those to use it (because of economic reasons) it will become lost.
"They just do" does not cut it here. Why do they work? Why is Swahili the key?
I agree with you, but how does learning Swahili reduce black on black crime? I am all for learning Swahili, and I thank you for introducing an off topic element to the thread.
It was in active use but not by the majority. Imo DEAD means no one is using it and that was NOT the case.
No YOU speak of Jews. Here is what you said:
How is ANYONE supposed to know you are referring to Israelis when you NEVER mentioned Israelis but did mention Jews?
See the above.
No one has implied that Hebrew was not the officiallanguage of Israel or Jews. What I did say is ENGLISH is the most used language amongst Jews (you introduced Jews to the topic.) Being the official and most used are NOT the same thing. Again, lay off the red herrings and stick to what has been posted.
See the above.
How does learning Swahili reduce black on black crime? In order for your plan to work you must give an example of how black on black crime will be reduced amongst those who learn Swahili. What is the crime rate of the countries that use Swahili as the language of choice?
Again, my position is not one of Swahili being good or bad for black people. My position is HOW DOES SWAHILI REDUCE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME. Our topic is not the use of Swahili to ridicule non-speakers. Our topic is black on black crime. If you are going to introduce your idea or solvency, make it relevant to our topic.
This does nothing for your position. If you take them for learning and supreme concentration how will, they reduce crime?
It is the wrong thread to bring it up in, and I am glad you acknowledge this. In acknowledging this, you also admit to introducing straw man arguments and red herring fallacies. Please refrain from thread hi-jacking and make another thread if you want to discuss Swahili (I will be happy to participate.) I understand you want people to learn and you have a duty to your people. However, your tactics in THIS case will turn people off and not create an interest in learning. Selfishness and wanting to be "right" is not an answer.
Nevertheless, you are wasting your time telling the board (comprised mostly of whites) that blacks should use Swahili. The name of the thread is "Blacc on Blacc VIOLENCE" and your first response to the discussion was "Swahili is the key." You introduced Swahili so the burden of proof is on YOU. How will learning a language used in Afrika reduce crime in america? If you cannot provide an explanation or examples on how Swahili can reduce black on black crime or how it is "the key", you have no right getting on iaoish for not providing an alternative to Swahili. Again, I remind you the topic is about black on black crime, but so far, I see no connection between Swahili (or the lack thereof) and black on black crime. If this were a real debate, you would loose on Topicality grounds.
Therefore, you have no proof showing Swahili can reduce black on black crime, yet you are saying Swahili is the key. We are NOT talking about 3+ languages and how those who learn 3+ languages are less likely to commit violent crimes. Your entire position is learning a SECOND language, but you do not introduce a third to validate your claim. If one learns Japanese, German, and Spanish, will this reduce black on black crime? Again, I am asking about Swahili (which you introduced) and how it can reduce black on black crime. I am not asking about how those who have learned +3 languages are less likely to commit violent crimes. Btw, are they less likely to commit ANY crime if they learn 33+ languages? If this were a debate, you would loose for not meeting your stock issues. BTW, when will you cease the red herrings?
I agree we should raise the standards and give more education, but how will learning Swahili reduce black on black crime? Blacks encounter division on a political scale, from the rest of america on an economic scale, from each other due to living arrangements and coast wars, but you are saying we have a common bond in "Black" things. These so-called black things are not limited to blacks. While it is true that blacks do comprise the majority of those in the entertainment fields, it is also true that blacks do not control the majority of the money generated from such fields. How will Swahili increase black ownership in these markets?
Point taken, but if culture and economics are not a factor, you can expect one culture to be forgotten. If this is a communication issue, it is absurd to think one language and culture will not be forgotten.
If your assumption is true, I thank God for having learned a foreign language for a few months.
No one is implying it is something that you SHOULD forsake or give up, but what are the chances of you keeping your original language and customs when you are used to your own? Take West-Afrika and Hausa for example. What would happen if the majority started to use Swahili? You do realize some languages have roots in the culture/history of those who speak it. If you yank this away or force those to use it (because of economic reasons) it will become lost.
"They just do" does not cut it here. Why do they work? Why is Swahili the key?
I agree with you, but how does learning Swahili reduce black on black crime? I am all for learning Swahili, and I thank you for introducing an off topic element to the thread.
It was in active use but not by the majority. Imo DEAD means no one is using it and that was NOT the case.
No YOU speak of Jews. Here is what you said:
How is ANYONE supposed to know you are referring to Israelis when you NEVER mentioned Israelis but did mention Jews?
See the above.
No one has implied that Hebrew was not the officiallanguage of Israel or Jews. What I did say is ENGLISH is the most used language amongst Jews (you introduced Jews to the topic.) Being the official and most used are NOT the same thing. Again, lay off the red herrings and stick to what has been posted.
See the above.
How does learning Swahili reduce black on black crime? In order for your plan to work you must give an example of how black on black crime will be reduced amongst those who learn Swahili. What is the crime rate of the countries that use Swahili as the language of choice?
Again, my position is not one of Swahili being good or bad for black people. My position is HOW DOES SWAHILI REDUCE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME. Our topic is not the use of Swahili to ridicule non-speakers. Our topic is black on black crime. If you are going to introduce your idea or solvency, make it relevant to our topic.
This does nothing for your position. If you take them for learning and supreme concentration how will, they reduce crime?
It is the wrong thread to bring it up in, and I am glad you acknowledge this. In acknowledging this, you also admit to introducing straw man arguments and red herring fallacies. Please refrain from thread hi-jacking and make another thread if you want to discuss Swahili (I will be happy to participate.) I understand you want people to learn and you have a duty to your people. However, your tactics in THIS case will turn people off and not create an interest in learning. Selfishness and wanting to be "right" is not an answer.
If thats how your life works, where YOU PERSONALLY can only get things done in an environment where everybody 100% loves each other and harbors not a single iota of mistrust or dislike...then that sounds like a personal problem.
Me, I live in the real world. And in the real world, people hate and despise other people for reasons ranging from the color of their skin to the way they don't tie their shoes a certain way. And that is their right.
Me, I live in the real world. And in the real world, people hate and despise other people for reasons ranging from the color of their skin to the way they don't tie their shoes a certain way. And that is their right.
If this were a `real' debate, I would be forced into a 10 minute diatribe about people who learn foreign languages are more passive, open, original, less violent and about 1000 other things.
On this board, every once in a while, I like to see if people will do it for me.....instead of just sitting there, bitching and moaning until I am forced to do on my own what should be common sense.
Friend, the same way US Government = 9/11 is to you, Swahili = Less Violence to me. I do not make you sit here and outline stupid shit and name 50 and 100 articles and surveys and studies, and I would expect you would not make me do the same.
COMMON SENSE: Learning Foreign Languages = Built in Mechanisms to Study World Culture = Greater Understanding of Culture and One's Place in the World = Greater Appreciation for How Others Communicate = Greater Appreciation for Others.
Holy fuck, man. Is this a fuckin THESIS DEFENSE, or a message board?
When will you cease with the Non Sequitors? Here's an idea: How about you stop being a pretentious bumblefuck, dropping terms that have no place here?
The study I proscribed for you was 3+ languages. It should not ravage and put a hurting on your mind to understand this. If you would sit there and THINK, and UNDERSTAND what language means--H Variety English and L Variety (Ebonics, for example) being essentially TWO LANGUAGES--then you would KNOW what I was getting at.
You are not someone who has studied General Linguistics. You are somenoe who does not know about the Swahili language. And you are someone who has not studied Sociolinguistics. I have studied all three. -- Yet rather than taking the humble road, like you should be, you are sitting here trying to set traps ("you do not introduce a third to validate your claim") and all kinds of other stupid shit, and you will lose every time.
Why don't you tell me? Are you NOT noticing a pattern here? You will not even BEGIN to speak on and be thorough about the Swahili language in a positive light, outlining possible good things. The only thing your mind knows, what it is hard-wired to act like, is how to diss, insult, slander, rip apart and destroy. And thats IT. -- You expect me to explain everything, and answer every question, yet at the end, all you will have is 150 more questions and zero of your own elaborations. Again....Not a Thesis Defense. This is a message board. You need to start Giving and Stop Taking.
Swahili is the ultimate potential bond, one capable of crossing Political, Religious and other varying lines. That is about what it breaks down to. You have people calling other people "house niggers" and "Uncle Toms" and all this other shit based on a few opinions here and quotes there. If a Black man were to decide to join the fray, to join the Swahili Cult (you'd think you'd be happy about me encouraging a language and not a religion, but i guess not). Having learned the language, you could not look at them as you did before.
Also, You would be able to see the effect it would have on White, Latino and other peoples. Would these stores refuse to stock Swahili newspapers? Would high schools begin to add more Swahili classes? Would the Government provide monies for Swahili textbooks and curriculum development?
All of this, we cannot even begin to get to because of people like you. This is all beyond you, and the only real guess why that I can put forward is a frequent one: You have not studied a foreign language for any significant length of time. I could really care less if this applies 100% to you because if it doesn't, it'll apply to the next Swahili detractor--it has in the past, it will continue in the future. (Oh yes, this is not the first board I've brought this topic up on.)
Lingua Francas do not replace H Varieties. It is something that just does not happen. And the H Variety is where the pinnacle of society exists. And Cultures sure as fuck don't disappear just by learning a new trade or social language.
You forget that other countries and their peoples are not like us. They aren't surrounded with mainly 1 language for their whole lives. There is no need to replace 4 languages with 2, or 3 with 1. They are READILY CAPABLE of learning 2 or 3 or 4+ languages without `running out' of memory. They do this on a routine basis, in fact. The fear of filling up the mind with `too many' foreign languages does not exist.
One language might be assigned to Foreigners and Outsiders (Lingua Francas, usually); another, to Family and Friends (Tribal Languages); another to School and Business (English, French); another to Religion (Arabic, in the case of Muslims); and this goes on and on. Only in America and few other countries do we (minus those that speak AAVE and other dialects) proscribe one and only one language for just about every single thing we do.
So i was right then?
I've studied 4 languages formally, and bits and pieces of 3 others in my spare time. I've lived in Mexico, and witnessed first-hand people trying to set-aside their Native Spanish language, and instead communicate with me in English. It was humbling, to say the least. You'd expect that shit in Tourist cities, but not in the Heart of Mexico.
In short...I speak from experience. It is rare to see disruptions and people not paying attention in Foreign Language classes. They require an intense, always-on atmosphere.
If the goal here is to get more Black people into classes, then this would surely be a good one to be in. Most Universities mandate a year of a foreign language...so...why waste your time with French or German or something like this? 1 Year is not enough for a reading knowledge. It does not work. Then, outside of that year, who are you going to speak this French or German with if you work in a restaurant or local school or something like this?
Swahili would not only be engaging, but would actually be used outside of class. You would be able to come home from class, and put that Tadou Swahili Rap CD in your player and listen to the language at work.
On this board, every once in a while, I like to see if people will do it for me.....instead of just sitting there, bitching and moaning until I am forced to do on my own what should be common sense.
Friend, the same way US Government = 9/11 is to you, Swahili = Less Violence to me. I do not make you sit here and outline stupid shit and name 50 and 100 articles and surveys and studies, and I would expect you would not make me do the same.
COMMON SENSE: Learning Foreign Languages = Built in Mechanisms to Study World Culture = Greater Understanding of Culture and One's Place in the World = Greater Appreciation for How Others Communicate = Greater Appreciation for Others.
Holy fuck, man. Is this a fuckin THESIS DEFENSE, or a message board?
When will you cease with the Non Sequitors? Here's an idea: How about you stop being a pretentious bumblefuck, dropping terms that have no place here?
The study I proscribed for you was 3+ languages. It should not ravage and put a hurting on your mind to understand this. If you would sit there and THINK, and UNDERSTAND what language means--H Variety English and L Variety (Ebonics, for example) being essentially TWO LANGUAGES--then you would KNOW what I was getting at.
You are not someone who has studied General Linguistics. You are somenoe who does not know about the Swahili language. And you are someone who has not studied Sociolinguistics. I have studied all three. -- Yet rather than taking the humble road, like you should be, you are sitting here trying to set traps ("you do not introduce a third to validate your claim") and all kinds of other stupid shit, and you will lose every time.
Why don't you tell me? Are you NOT noticing a pattern here? You will not even BEGIN to speak on and be thorough about the Swahili language in a positive light, outlining possible good things. The only thing your mind knows, what it is hard-wired to act like, is how to diss, insult, slander, rip apart and destroy. And thats IT. -- You expect me to explain everything, and answer every question, yet at the end, all you will have is 150 more questions and zero of your own elaborations. Again....Not a Thesis Defense. This is a message board. You need to start Giving and Stop Taking.
Swahili is the ultimate potential bond, one capable of crossing Political, Religious and other varying lines. That is about what it breaks down to. You have people calling other people "house niggers" and "Uncle Toms" and all this other shit based on a few opinions here and quotes there. If a Black man were to decide to join the fray, to join the Swahili Cult (you'd think you'd be happy about me encouraging a language and not a religion, but i guess not). Having learned the language, you could not look at them as you did before.
Also, You would be able to see the effect it would have on White, Latino and other peoples. Would these stores refuse to stock Swahili newspapers? Would high schools begin to add more Swahili classes? Would the Government provide monies for Swahili textbooks and curriculum development?
All of this, we cannot even begin to get to because of people like you. This is all beyond you, and the only real guess why that I can put forward is a frequent one: You have not studied a foreign language for any significant length of time. I could really care less if this applies 100% to you because if it doesn't, it'll apply to the next Swahili detractor--it has in the past, it will continue in the future. (Oh yes, this is not the first board I've brought this topic up on.)
Lingua Francas do not replace H Varieties. It is something that just does not happen. And the H Variety is where the pinnacle of society exists. And Cultures sure as fuck don't disappear just by learning a new trade or social language.
You forget that other countries and their peoples are not like us. They aren't surrounded with mainly 1 language for their whole lives. There is no need to replace 4 languages with 2, or 3 with 1. They are READILY CAPABLE of learning 2 or 3 or 4+ languages without `running out' of memory. They do this on a routine basis, in fact. The fear of filling up the mind with `too many' foreign languages does not exist.
One language might be assigned to Foreigners and Outsiders (Lingua Francas, usually); another, to Family and Friends (Tribal Languages); another to School and Business (English, French); another to Religion (Arabic, in the case of Muslims); and this goes on and on. Only in America and few other countries do we (minus those that speak AAVE and other dialects) proscribe one and only one language for just about every single thing we do.
So i was right then?
I've studied 4 languages formally, and bits and pieces of 3 others in my spare time. I've lived in Mexico, and witnessed first-hand people trying to set-aside their Native Spanish language, and instead communicate with me in English. It was humbling, to say the least. You'd expect that shit in Tourist cities, but not in the Heart of Mexico.
In short...I speak from experience. It is rare to see disruptions and people not paying attention in Foreign Language classes. They require an intense, always-on atmosphere.
If the goal here is to get more Black people into classes, then this would surely be a good one to be in. Most Universities mandate a year of a foreign language...so...why waste your time with French or German or something like this? 1 Year is not enough for a reading knowledge. It does not work. Then, outside of that year, who are you going to speak this French or German with if you work in a restaurant or local school or something like this?
Swahili would not only be engaging, but would actually be used outside of class. You would be able to come home from class, and put that Tadou Swahili Rap CD in your player and listen to the language at work.
Again....Lingua Francas don't operate that way, ESPECIALLY in areas and countries that aren't 80 or 90% rural. The people WILL NOT PANIC, the same way a computer nerd DOES NOT PANIC that one day it comes time to use Apple instead of the Linux he is used to.
The frameworks are essentially THE SAME: You have words, places, people, verbs, and all the usual shit. Once you learn the inflections, tones, conjugations and tenses, there is really not much left besides cramming a bunch of words into your head.
You are really not grasping the idea here, and I am not sure why. I keep saying things like Lingua Franca, and H Variety and things like these, and I am not even sure you know what these terms mean or what they entail. What I do know is that I am spending a lot of time explaining things that I shouldn't have to.
If you are going to be that dense, then you can look it up on your own. Lingua Francas not working is like a washer that doesn't wash, or a TV that doesn't televise. By their very DEFINITION Lingua Francas work, or they wouldn't be what they are called in the first place.
Please, do yourself a favor and research what all of Lingua Francas, Pidgins and Creoles are. Being pompous and ostentatious is not going to help you here.
Again, I would ask that you provide your OWN INITIAL OBSERVATION about how it might reduce Black crime. Give me SOMETHING to work with.
This is not a Q&A session, this is supposed to be an exchange. We cannot have that exchange when you are asking (literally) 20+ questions every post and I am asking next to none.
IYO does not matter. Modern Linguistics matters, and ML defines DEAD not by how many people use it, but by development.
Biblical Hebrew (the language they revived) was a Liturgical/Religious language, and that is it. It was not being used by common people on a daily basis for everyday activities. Biblical Hebrew was not being developed. It was dead.
Gee, I don't know. You said almost all Jews speak English. Let's take a wild guess on what Jews I would be talking about who would speak a revived Biblical language.
Texan Jews? Nebraska Jews? Mexican Jews? Or could it be....Israeli Jews? Ah dis donc! I think we have a winner!
For the record: "Not really talking about Jews" != "Not talking about Jews". Adverbs make the world go round.
You do realize that by ordering someone to "lay off" what you yourself have described as "red herrings", you are committing an ad hominem...correct? Again...Not a debate. Not a thesis defense. This is a conversation and an exchange. Being a dick will get you nothing but your own funeral.
That having been said, I don't give a fuck what their `most used' language is. It is of no consequence. What matters is that the Israeli nation, the recognized home of the Jews, speaks Hebrew...not English. Hebrew was not revived 300 or 400 years ago; it was RECENTLY, and their progress so far is astounding.
If you expect to keep your ground in this English vs Hebrew thing, you are gong to have to track me down some stats that say less and less Jews are learning Hebrew, and more and more are exclusively learning English. This will be nearly impossible for you.
I'm not sure what a Red Herring is, but this could probably be one right here. -- `Completely missing the point"....how do you say that one in philosobabble?
How about you make YOURSELF relevant to the topic as something other than a chastiser and an antagonist?
50 fucking times you have asked me the same question. Your knowledge of Socio-Linguistics is completely fucked. You have no knowledge of General Linguistics either. You are basically wasting my time.
We can't even approach Phonetics/Phonology, or touch on Semantics, or anything similar to this. You're busy being hung up on simple shit, and then lashing out at me via continuous and unrelenting questioning.
Friend, either you HAVE your own ideas, or you have NOTHING. I don't KNOW or UNDERSTAND how you aruge with other people, but when you argue with me, you are going to be held to a higher standard. Simply arguing and refuting and citing a URL here and there is not enough. You will need to take what I am saying and synthesize it into your own example. If you cannot do this, you are not worth me doing it for you when all you will do is continue saying the same exact shit and playing word games, over and over again until this thread is forgotten.
Another question.
Another pedestrian question.
Another question that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, and yet at the same time, demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding on the nature of language, how it operates and the effect on its learners, esp. in a Multi-Lingual environment.
If you cannot understand how more swahili means more classrooms means more people in classrooms and less in the streets, then there is really nothing I can offer you other than a website that offers great prices on Meds. There is no pill for `Stupidity' specifically, but there are inhibitors and things that will help you think before you type, without making you have to do that complicated feat all on your own.
Pause...
"This may be the wrong thread to bring this up in" -- There's those pesky adverbs again. They're pure evil, I tell you.
How many more times are you going to say Red Herring? Was that the word of the day on your Desktop Philosophy Calendar or what?
Friend, the only one turning people off is You. I am sorry to say. I have a proposition already for reducing Violence: Swahili. Where is yours? You may not like mine, but you don't have one fucking thing.
I am trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. You are trying to talk me out of making a dollar with my 15 cents, and you are someone with 0 cents trying to do this convincing. It is really astounding when you think about it.
You have no standing here. You have no footing whatsoever. You are the wrong person to be saying the things you are saying, and even then, you are still wrong as has been demonstrated by your lack of knowledge about Multi-Lingual Societies, the effect of Foreign Language Learning on Social behavior, and various other subject areas.
Look at every last post you've made in this thread. You have no solutions or even enhancements whatsoever. Only criticisms.
The frameworks are essentially THE SAME: You have words, places, people, verbs, and all the usual shit. Once you learn the inflections, tones, conjugations and tenses, there is really not much left besides cramming a bunch of words into your head.
You are really not grasping the idea here, and I am not sure why. I keep saying things like Lingua Franca, and H Variety and things like these, and I am not even sure you know what these terms mean or what they entail. What I do know is that I am spending a lot of time explaining things that I shouldn't have to.
If you are going to be that dense, then you can look it up on your own. Lingua Francas not working is like a washer that doesn't wash, or a TV that doesn't televise. By their very DEFINITION Lingua Francas work, or they wouldn't be what they are called in the first place.
Please, do yourself a favor and research what all of Lingua Francas, Pidgins and Creoles are. Being pompous and ostentatious is not going to help you here.
Again, I would ask that you provide your OWN INITIAL OBSERVATION about how it might reduce Black crime. Give me SOMETHING to work with.
This is not a Q&A session, this is supposed to be an exchange. We cannot have that exchange when you are asking (literally) 20+ questions every post and I am asking next to none.
IYO does not matter. Modern Linguistics matters, and ML defines DEAD not by how many people use it, but by development.
Biblical Hebrew (the language they revived) was a Liturgical/Religious language, and that is it. It was not being used by common people on a daily basis for everyday activities. Biblical Hebrew was not being developed. It was dead.
Gee, I don't know. You said almost all Jews speak English. Let's take a wild guess on what Jews I would be talking about who would speak a revived Biblical language.
Texan Jews? Nebraska Jews? Mexican Jews? Or could it be....Israeli Jews? Ah dis donc! I think we have a winner!
For the record: "Not really talking about Jews" != "Not talking about Jews". Adverbs make the world go round.
You do realize that by ordering someone to "lay off" what you yourself have described as "red herrings", you are committing an ad hominem...correct? Again...Not a debate. Not a thesis defense. This is a conversation and an exchange. Being a dick will get you nothing but your own funeral.
That having been said, I don't give a fuck what their `most used' language is. It is of no consequence. What matters is that the Israeli nation, the recognized home of the Jews, speaks Hebrew...not English. Hebrew was not revived 300 or 400 years ago; it was RECENTLY, and their progress so far is astounding.
If you expect to keep your ground in this English vs Hebrew thing, you are gong to have to track me down some stats that say less and less Jews are learning Hebrew, and more and more are exclusively learning English. This will be nearly impossible for you.
I'm not sure what a Red Herring is, but this could probably be one right here. -- `Completely missing the point"....how do you say that one in philosobabble?
How about you make YOURSELF relevant to the topic as something other than a chastiser and an antagonist?
50 fucking times you have asked me the same question. Your knowledge of Socio-Linguistics is completely fucked. You have no knowledge of General Linguistics either. You are basically wasting my time.
We can't even approach Phonetics/Phonology, or touch on Semantics, or anything similar to this. You're busy being hung up on simple shit, and then lashing out at me via continuous and unrelenting questioning.
Friend, either you HAVE your own ideas, or you have NOTHING. I don't KNOW or UNDERSTAND how you aruge with other people, but when you argue with me, you are going to be held to a higher standard. Simply arguing and refuting and citing a URL here and there is not enough. You will need to take what I am saying and synthesize it into your own example. If you cannot do this, you are not worth me doing it for you when all you will do is continue saying the same exact shit and playing word games, over and over again until this thread is forgotten.
Another question.
Another pedestrian question.
Another question that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, and yet at the same time, demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding on the nature of language, how it operates and the effect on its learners, esp. in a Multi-Lingual environment.
If you cannot understand how more swahili means more classrooms means more people in classrooms and less in the streets, then there is really nothing I can offer you other than a website that offers great prices on Meds. There is no pill for `Stupidity' specifically, but there are inhibitors and things that will help you think before you type, without making you have to do that complicated feat all on your own.
Pause...
"This may be the wrong thread to bring this up in" -- There's those pesky adverbs again. They're pure evil, I tell you.
How many more times are you going to say Red Herring? Was that the word of the day on your Desktop Philosophy Calendar or what?
Friend, the only one turning people off is You. I am sorry to say. I have a proposition already for reducing Violence: Swahili. Where is yours? You may not like mine, but you don't have one fucking thing.
I am trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. You are trying to talk me out of making a dollar with my 15 cents, and you are someone with 0 cents trying to do this convincing. It is really astounding when you think about it.
You have no standing here. You have no footing whatsoever. You are the wrong person to be saying the things you are saying, and even then, you are still wrong as has been demonstrated by your lack of knowledge about Multi-Lingual Societies, the effect of Foreign Language Learning on Social behavior, and various other subject areas.
Look at every last post you've made in this thread. You have no solutions or even enhancements whatsoever. Only criticisms.
TADOU,
HERESY IS QUESTIONIN' YOUR LOgIC. JUST LIKE I AM. EVERY BROTHA CAN LEARN A LANgUAgE, BUT THAT'S NOT A gUARANTEE THAT HE'S gONNA USE THAT LANgUAgE. THAT LANgUAgE DOESN'T CREATE A MIRACLE. THAT LANgUAgE CAN'T CHANgE gROWN MEN AND THEY SEED. IF N-E-THANg, THE SAME IDEAS AND CULTURES WOULD BE THERE. SWAHILI AIN'T gONNA ADD N-E-THANg BUT A NEW WAY TO COMMUNICATE. JUST LIKE THIS RAP SHIT DONE CAUgHT ON FROM DIFFERENT RACES AND CULTURES, IF WHAT YOU SAYIN' HAPPENS, THEN THAT'S ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH SWAHILI.
HERESY IS QUESTIONIN' YOUR LOgIC. JUST LIKE I AM. EVERY BROTHA CAN LEARN A LANgUAgE, BUT THAT'S NOT A gUARANTEE THAT HE'S gONNA USE THAT LANgUAgE. THAT LANgUAgE DOESN'T CREATE A MIRACLE. THAT LANgUAgE CAN'T CHANgE gROWN MEN AND THEY SEED. IF N-E-THANg, THE SAME IDEAS AND CULTURES WOULD BE THERE. SWAHILI AIN'T gONNA ADD N-E-THANg BUT A NEW WAY TO COMMUNICATE. JUST LIKE THIS RAP SHIT DONE CAUgHT ON FROM DIFFERENT RACES AND CULTURES, IF WHAT YOU SAYIN' HAPPENS, THEN THAT'S ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH SWAHILI.
Again, you would loose on topicality my friend. Besides, in CEDA and NDT you don't even get 10 minutes to blab. Your 10 minute rabble says nothing about how Swahili is the answer to crime reduction.
Stop being a cry baby. I am providing you with the platform to talk...and talk...and talk...and...well...
I would expect you to provide some sort of evidence for the claims you make. Asking for evidence, articles or links is not wrong, junior.
This does not show how black on black crime is reduced by learning Swahili. The only thing you are babbling about is how learning a foreign language MAY lead to a greater understanding and appreciation. You are NOT explaining WHY Swahili can do this (as opposed to other languages) nor are you providing any proof to validate your claim.
You tell me.
I am not going to sit here and draw assumptions on your vaguely written paragraphs. If you can't say what you mean you shouldn't be here. You WANT people to speculate so you can come back and make attempts to bash them when they present the wrong idea, but that doesn't fly with me, and I don't see how others fall for your trap. LMAO @ Ebonics being a language. Can you provide me with info on ANY college that teaches ebonics as a course? Ebonics is considered a DIALECT of english and NOT a seperate language. IMO this is not your typical case of diglossia because those who speak the L variety DO speak the H variety as the native language (or end up learning it), so once again you have NO point.
Again, I am asking about Swahili (which you introduced) and how it can reduce black on black crime. I am not asking about how those who have learned +3 languages are less likely to commit violent crimes.
What a waste of studies. How are you applying your studies to the real world? If you have studied all three it should be easy for you to explain yourself, yet you present many misconceptions and believe Ebonics is a seperate language.
Save it, junior. I am not setting traps but simply asking you questions about your beliefs and position. If you can't answer the question just say so.
THATS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!!! LMAO!!! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO INTRODUCED IT, SO IT SHOULD BE ON YOU TO BE THOROUGH ABOUT SWAHILI AND HOW IT WILL BENEFIT BLACKS. AFTER ALL, YOU SAID IT WAS THE KEY I DIDN'T!
The ONLY thing I expect you to do is to validate your claims. That is all I have required ANYONE on this site to do. Sadly, you the master of words, with all your studies and word jugglery can't even answer a simple question derived from your statement. If you would notice, junior I have presented elaborations, but until you elaborate on your initial statement you will recieve many questions. I understand this is a message board and hope you now realize this. However, when I am speaking to frail sock puppets (as I am doing now) I dictate the discourse told you weeks ago we play by MY rules not yours.
How does it reduce black on black crime?
In my assessment I was correct in stating you have been severly wounded because of your skin color and beliefs. Personally I feel you are a house nigger (you even said this yourself), but I don't know if I would identify you with Uncle Tom. Tom was a good man trying to free the negro from the clutches of massa. Should we learn sawhili or should we trust the government 100%?
How can Swahili reduce black on black crime?
Please tell me about the effect it will have on blacks and the reduction of black on black crime. To answer your questions, no,yes and yes, BUT I see a problem and this problem stems from black economics and the black dollar. How can blacks implement Swahili on an economic level and make it feasible to do the things you suggested?
I am not a Swahili detractor and I have already said I agree with learning Swahili because of the possibilities it may create. However, that will NOT stop me from asking you how Swahili is the answer for black on black crime. (Oh no, this is not the first board I have read this on.)
It happened in the case of Afrikan slaves being brought to america so why can't it happen? What I am saying is over time people will loose culture (and the original language) as the new one evolves.
Nevertheless, according you we are not surrounded by one language either.
Your point is noted.
If you are right or wrong, what will it prove? If I tell you you are right, you will gloat. If I tell you you are 100% incorrect you will find some way to squeeze some info and gloat when I do not give in (it has happened before.) So believe what you want to believe and assume what you will.
Stop being a cry baby. I am providing you with the platform to talk...and talk...and talk...and...well...
I would expect you to provide some sort of evidence for the claims you make. Asking for evidence, articles or links is not wrong, junior.
This does not show how black on black crime is reduced by learning Swahili. The only thing you are babbling about is how learning a foreign language MAY lead to a greater understanding and appreciation. You are NOT explaining WHY Swahili can do this (as opposed to other languages) nor are you providing any proof to validate your claim.
You tell me.
I am not going to sit here and draw assumptions on your vaguely written paragraphs. If you can't say what you mean you shouldn't be here. You WANT people to speculate so you can come back and make attempts to bash them when they present the wrong idea, but that doesn't fly with me, and I don't see how others fall for your trap. LMAO @ Ebonics being a language. Can you provide me with info on ANY college that teaches ebonics as a course? Ebonics is considered a DIALECT of english and NOT a seperate language. IMO this is not your typical case of diglossia because those who speak the L variety DO speak the H variety as the native language (or end up learning it), so once again you have NO point.
Again, I am asking about Swahili (which you introduced) and how it can reduce black on black crime. I am not asking about how those who have learned +3 languages are less likely to commit violent crimes.
What a waste of studies. How are you applying your studies to the real world? If you have studied all three it should be easy for you to explain yourself, yet you present many misconceptions and believe Ebonics is a seperate language.
Save it, junior. I am not setting traps but simply asking you questions about your beliefs and position. If you can't answer the question just say so.
THATS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!!! LMAO!!! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO INTRODUCED IT, SO IT SHOULD BE ON YOU TO BE THOROUGH ABOUT SWAHILI AND HOW IT WILL BENEFIT BLACKS. AFTER ALL, YOU SAID IT WAS THE KEY I DIDN'T!
The ONLY thing I expect you to do is to validate your claims. That is all I have required ANYONE on this site to do. Sadly, you the master of words, with all your studies and word jugglery can't even answer a simple question derived from your statement. If you would notice, junior I have presented elaborations, but until you elaborate on your initial statement you will recieve many questions. I understand this is a message board and hope you now realize this. However, when I am speaking to frail sock puppets (as I am doing now) I dictate the discourse told you weeks ago we play by MY rules not yours.
How does it reduce black on black crime?
In my assessment I was correct in stating you have been severly wounded because of your skin color and beliefs. Personally I feel you are a house nigger (you even said this yourself), but I don't know if I would identify you with Uncle Tom. Tom was a good man trying to free the negro from the clutches of massa. Should we learn sawhili or should we trust the government 100%?
How can Swahili reduce black on black crime?
Please tell me about the effect it will have on blacks and the reduction of black on black crime. To answer your questions, no,yes and yes, BUT I see a problem and this problem stems from black economics and the black dollar. How can blacks implement Swahili on an economic level and make it feasible to do the things you suggested?
I am not a Swahili detractor and I have already said I agree with learning Swahili because of the possibilities it may create. However, that will NOT stop me from asking you how Swahili is the answer for black on black crime. (Oh no, this is not the first board I have read this on.)
It happened in the case of Afrikan slaves being brought to america so why can't it happen? What I am saying is over time people will loose culture (and the original language) as the new one evolves.
Nevertheless, according you we are not surrounded by one language either.
Your point is noted.
If you are right or wrong, what will it prove? If I tell you you are right, you will gloat. If I tell you you are 100% incorrect you will find some way to squeeze some info and gloat when I do not give in (it has happened before.) So believe what you want to believe and assume what you will.
Useless info.
Again, this is useless to me.
Point taken.
No matter what language you rap in your music will STILL be garbage, but I get your point.
You are saying white america will not panic if more and more blacks start speaking a language that makes SENSE? LMAO! The truth is the majority of blacks (in america) will NOT speak Swahili unless they are FORCED to speak it, and the only way I can see it is for economic reasons. The majority of blacks will NOT learn Swahili to reduce black on black violence and THAT is our topic.
This does not benefit me.
Ok junior.
"ostentatious" Damn man I haven't saw that one in a grip.
Everything else you posted is drivel.
I will do no such thing until you answer the initial question. How does Swahili reduce black on black crime? I will give you NOTHING to work with because I did not make the statement.
I would have no need to ask 20+ questions if you would answer the one question I have asked you. HOW WILL LEARNING SWAHILI REDUCE/PREVENT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME? Oh this is a Q&A session, especially when you can follow me around from THREAD TO THREAD and ask me the same question over and over AFTER I TELL YOU TO EMAIL OR PM ME FOR MORE INFO. I am asking you a question based on your statement. Next time THINK before you post (I know thats hard for you to do) or have an answer ready.
You are correct that it was/is a Liturgical/Religious language, but you said it was COMPLETELY DEAD. The National Center for the Hebrew Language has this to say about Hebrew being dead:
Hebrew was never a dead language in the accepted sense of the term. Yet, it was revived. It never ceased to be a medium of religious expression for the Jewish people. Yet, it was reborn. This is its mystique, the bipolar power of the Hebrew language. It is the vehicle of a sacred past, of eternal Jewish values. At the same time, it is a major expression of contemporary Jewish vitality.
Even though it was not used or was rarely used as a vernacular in the lands of Jewish dispersion, it was employed regularly during the last two millennia by the vast majority of Jews, wherever they resided, as a language of prayer, study, and ritual observance. And although it did not die, it was revived during the last century as a common, everyday spoken language. This revival in Palestine/Israel borders on the miraculous, since the immigrants who came to Israel from dozens of countries throughout the world and comprised the vast majority of the Jewish population brought with them such a large variety of linguistic baggage.
http://www.ivrit.org/htm/why_hebrew/story_04.shtml
Strawman Argument.
Considering you eat dicks you would be the one to know...In regards to your ad hominem theory the answer is you are wrong. An example of YOU commiting one is your assumption that I have not learned a language for a period of time and your attempt to use the assumption against me. Junior, I am attacking your statement and forcing you to answer. If you cannot answer just stick your tail between your legs, run along and get smacked by a truck. You are more useful to us as a veggie (or dead) than you are here.
Now you are commiting the same red-herring just for the hell of it!! You are one creative person, junior. That having been said, you should cease passing information off as FACT (and typing in big bold letters) until you know what you are speaking on.
You are known to use Wikipedia so I used your source. The link previously provided shows English is used by most Jews.
Again, this is useless to me.
Point taken.
No matter what language you rap in your music will STILL be garbage, but I get your point.
You are saying white america will not panic if more and more blacks start speaking a language that makes SENSE? LMAO! The truth is the majority of blacks (in america) will NOT speak Swahili unless they are FORCED to speak it, and the only way I can see it is for economic reasons. The majority of blacks will NOT learn Swahili to reduce black on black violence and THAT is our topic.
This does not benefit me.
Ok junior.
"ostentatious" Damn man I haven't saw that one in a grip.
Everything else you posted is drivel.
I will do no such thing until you answer the initial question. How does Swahili reduce black on black crime? I will give you NOTHING to work with because I did not make the statement.
I would have no need to ask 20+ questions if you would answer the one question I have asked you. HOW WILL LEARNING SWAHILI REDUCE/PREVENT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME? Oh this is a Q&A session, especially when you can follow me around from THREAD TO THREAD and ask me the same question over and over AFTER I TELL YOU TO EMAIL OR PM ME FOR MORE INFO. I am asking you a question based on your statement. Next time THINK before you post (I know thats hard for you to do) or have an answer ready.
You are correct that it was/is a Liturgical/Religious language, but you said it was COMPLETELY DEAD. The National Center for the Hebrew Language has this to say about Hebrew being dead:
Hebrew was never a dead language in the accepted sense of the term. Yet, it was revived. It never ceased to be a medium of religious expression for the Jewish people. Yet, it was reborn. This is its mystique, the bipolar power of the Hebrew language. It is the vehicle of a sacred past, of eternal Jewish values. At the same time, it is a major expression of contemporary Jewish vitality.
Even though it was not used or was rarely used as a vernacular in the lands of Jewish dispersion, it was employed regularly during the last two millennia by the vast majority of Jews, wherever they resided, as a language of prayer, study, and ritual observance. And although it did not die, it was revived during the last century as a common, everyday spoken language. This revival in Palestine/Israel borders on the miraculous, since the immigrants who came to Israel from dozens of countries throughout the world and comprised the vast majority of the Jewish population brought with them such a large variety of linguistic baggage.
http://www.ivrit.org/htm/why_hebrew/story_04.shtml
Strawman Argument.
Considering you eat dicks you would be the one to know...In regards to your ad hominem theory the answer is you are wrong. An example of YOU commiting one is your assumption that I have not learned a language for a period of time and your attempt to use the assumption against me. Junior, I am attacking your statement and forcing you to answer. If you cannot answer just stick your tail between your legs, run along and get smacked by a truck. You are more useful to us as a veggie (or dead) than you are here.
Now you are commiting the same red-herring just for the hell of it!! You are one creative person, junior. That having been said, you should cease passing information off as FACT (and typing in big bold letters) until you know what you are speaking on.
You are known to use Wikipedia so I used your source. The link previously provided shows English is used by most Jews.
LOL! Must you act like a child when you can't answer a question? I'll ask again. How does learning Swahili reduce black on black crime? In order for your plan to work you must give an example of how black on black crime will be reduced amongst those who learn Swahili. What is the crime rate of the countries that use Swahili as the language of choice?
I am glad you look to me as a father figure. Thanks son!
You are wasting EVERYONES time AND wasting bandwidth. Tell us how Swahili will reduce black on black crime. Why would Swahili work instead of a spanish language/dialect?
The same way you do others?
The thing is, sonny boy,I am not arguing with you. IMHO arguing is such a STRONG word. Can you find some other word to describe our convo? You can use an insult I'll allow it for now. Arguing, refuting and citing a url is actually a page from your book. Stop being so hostile man.
If Pavlov knows this is the case, why then does Pavlov fall for it EVERYTIME?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ......
CTFU! Thats a good one man. I want you to know that I laugh it up everytime I read your responses to me. You are providing me with a cheap form of entertainment. The, "There is no pill for `Stupidity' specifically, but there are inhibitors " had me dying. How does Swahili mean more classrooms when blacks have classrooms NOW and have a HIGH drop out rate? What is your method for getting the students in the class? A free tadou cd? A bucket of chicken and several packs of red kool-aid? You have no plan, and you have no solvency. Just accept it.
Child, this was the WRONG thread. You are implying a possibility I am telling you it IS the wrong place. Shit man aren't you supposed to be He-man or some other fag parading around in underwear? Desktop philosphy calander? Can I get the 2006 edition at the spot selling the meds?
You have no proposition because you have not explained how Swahili can reduce violence within the black community. I am asking for the info to support/validate the claim,and any LOGICAL person (something you are FAR from) would do the same. Again,if this were a debate your case would crumble. You can't even meet your stock issue,and I have given you ample time to present your case.
ad hominem.
SEE THE ABOVE. What gets me is you claim to be a master of all of those things, yet you can't provide me with one piece of evidence to validate the claim that "SWAHILI IS THE KEY."
Again, if this were CEDA, NDT or Parliment debate you would loose because your case is not Prima facia, you are waaaaaaaaaaaay past topicality and you suck.
Therefore, I will say I have destroyed you once again (I always destroy you.) :dead:
You'll come back with the usual shenagigans but guess what? I won so I have no need to even read them--HINT HINT.
I am glad you look to me as a father figure. Thanks son!
You are wasting EVERYONES time AND wasting bandwidth. Tell us how Swahili will reduce black on black crime. Why would Swahili work instead of a spanish language/dialect?
The same way you do others?
The thing is, sonny boy,I am not arguing with you. IMHO arguing is such a STRONG word. Can you find some other word to describe our convo? You can use an insult I'll allow it for now. Arguing, refuting and citing a url is actually a page from your book. Stop being so hostile man.
If Pavlov knows this is the case, why then does Pavlov fall for it EVERYTIME?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ......
CTFU! Thats a good one man. I want you to know that I laugh it up everytime I read your responses to me. You are providing me with a cheap form of entertainment. The, "There is no pill for `Stupidity' specifically, but there are inhibitors " had me dying. How does Swahili mean more classrooms when blacks have classrooms NOW and have a HIGH drop out rate? What is your method for getting the students in the class? A free tadou cd? A bucket of chicken and several packs of red kool-aid? You have no plan, and you have no solvency. Just accept it.
Child, this was the WRONG thread. You are implying a possibility I am telling you it IS the wrong place. Shit man aren't you supposed to be He-man or some other fag parading around in underwear? Desktop philosphy calander? Can I get the 2006 edition at the spot selling the meds?
You have no proposition because you have not explained how Swahili can reduce violence within the black community. I am asking for the info to support/validate the claim,and any LOGICAL person (something you are FAR from) would do the same. Again,if this were a debate your case would crumble. You can't even meet your stock issue,and I have given you ample time to present your case.
ad hominem.
SEE THE ABOVE. What gets me is you claim to be a master of all of those things, yet you can't provide me with one piece of evidence to validate the claim that "SWAHILI IS THE KEY."
Again, if this were CEDA, NDT or Parliment debate you would loose because your case is not Prima facia, you are waaaaaaaaaaaay past topicality and you suck.
Therefore, I will say I have destroyed you once again (I always destroy you.) :dead:
You'll come back with the usual shenagigans but guess what? I won so I have no need to even read them--HINT HINT.
When you combine it with the fact that you yourself have absolutely nothing to offer, then yes, it is indeed wrong. You are sitting here having me waste my time, and we are typing all of these things about one idea. Two ideas are always better than one. You are not doing your part. You are making this an interrogation and defense, not a conversation.
Talk about debates.....last I checked, you can't win one if you refuse to create and hold your own position. "The other guy sucks" is not good enough. Look no further than Senator John Kerry and his humiliating defeat for proof of that.
First of all, I don't need other languages. A Foreign Language PERIOD would do the trick. Swahili was selected because it represents relevence. Islam is in the Black Community. Kwanzaa is in the Black community. Swahili names are in the Black Community. It is the obvious choice.
I speak of a correlation between Second Language Learning in Monolingual Societies and Reduced Crime Rates. If you don't like it, do something about it. You win nothing by simply pointing out a lack of evidence; you must PROVIDE YOUR OWN EVIDENCE to win that component.
Again: I would love to see you do it. You will find that it is nearly impossible to do so. It is common sense, and you arguing it...you might as well be arguing that the Moon is bigger than the Earth.
It is a message board.
I do not understand why you have not learned your lesson yet, but you will indeed learn. When i find a weakness--in this case, your refusal to state an alternate (or even AN) idea to help reduce Black on Black crime--I go for blood. Once there is blood, and you still continue in your foolish ways, I go for the kill. And I kill often.
I don't really give a fuck about bashing your ideas. Its the fact that you flat-out DON'T HAVE ANY IN THE FIRST PLACE, and yet here you are, typing up 3 post exchanges that are mostly comprised of attacks against me.
We are spending hundreds of thousands of characters talking about.....1 idea. Not 2, not 5.
Just One.
This is your doing and the result of your own insecurity.
...Friend, I don't even know what to say to you. I call Ebonics an L Variety, and the first thing out of your mouth is proclaiming that it is "a DIALECT" and "NOT" a language. Talk about the department of redundancy department.....
It does not need to be diglossia. I am not sure what you are trying to clarify here. The fact of the matter is that AAVE is an L Variety and it has no social prestige; it is used among certain groups and contains a specialized vernacular. This is the way things work, unless you want to Wiki up something real quick and try to correct me.
AAVE is ESSENTIALLY its own language. Stop wasting my fucking time just because you STILL haven't figured out how adverbs work.
The '3+' stands. You fail in disqualifying it. So now, are you going to go look up the research or not?
Friend, I am telling you how. People who learn multiple languages, especially when they have nor eal incentive to do so (living in Monolingual societies), typically are a more pacified kind of people and commit less crimes.
Now, either you can refute that claim, or you cannot. If you provide no evidence, instead trying to force me to act first...you lose. If i provide no evidence and you don't respond, you still lose. If you provide evidence, I will provide my own and you will, of course, lose.
It is a no-win situation for you, finding yourself in a conversation about Swahili, Second Language Learning and Sociolinguistics, none of which you know jack shit about. I would be agitated as well.
Whats that one fallacy where you...well...lie?
H Variety English and L Variety (Ebonics, for example) being essentially TWO LANGUAGES
Do we need to sticky a big ass thread and FAQ about how adverbs work? How many more times will I have to point out either of your lack of understanding, or deceitful use of quotes?
I have studied all that I say I have. That is as real as it gets. How I apply these things in "real life" has no bearing whatsoever on this conversation. Stop with the...`red herrings', I believe it is.
I can answer any question on this Topic, and in near-infinite detail, if i so desired. But the reality is that you are not saying shit and do not deserve that kind of deference. You are stuck. You are running on empty, and yet, you are a prideful man, a master of manipulation and pontification, so you will not give up easily, despite the staggering odds you face.
If you were sincere about this topic, the path is simple: 1) Stop asking so many questions, and 2) State your own opinion on how to reduce Black on Black violence, and 3) Get off my dick.
Any way you slice it, so far it is DS--1 idea, Heresy--0. I may look stupid right now, but you look even hella more stupider.
....Friend, you are asking me shit and not even attempting to answer it yourself. I was given the following quote:
"How will Swahili increase black ownership in these markets?"
And my response was for you to tell me. Demonstrate that you are even paying attention. What use is a question like this without your own commentary and opinions? Literally no use at all. It is just another question you are using to pester and annoy, knowing that no matter the answer, you are still going to wig out and type 3 more paragraphs about it.
We will play by the rules of whoever is in control. Right now, you have no control. You are my bitch here. These are topics you know nothing about, and they are all being combined as one. You are squirming and whining and crying. You are in a horrible position here, and your only choice period is to stay on the offensive. You fail here because you have nothing. My defense is superior. I batter you constantly. You bleed and feel pain. Your +4 armor is no match for my +10 sword.
You will present your own ideas, or attempt to clean up my own, or you will lose by a much larger margin than you would normally lose. This is the course of events as they are plotted. You are not free to change them.
How does it not? I have explained several times already how it does. It is a chain reaction.
That you cannot break that chain is not my fault. That you don't know where to go to get the research you need to prove me wrong, also, is not my fault.
Talk about debates.....last I checked, you can't win one if you refuse to create and hold your own position. "The other guy sucks" is not good enough. Look no further than Senator John Kerry and his humiliating defeat for proof of that.
First of all, I don't need other languages. A Foreign Language PERIOD would do the trick. Swahili was selected because it represents relevence. Islam is in the Black Community. Kwanzaa is in the Black community. Swahili names are in the Black Community. It is the obvious choice.
I speak of a correlation between Second Language Learning in Monolingual Societies and Reduced Crime Rates. If you don't like it, do something about it. You win nothing by simply pointing out a lack of evidence; you must PROVIDE YOUR OWN EVIDENCE to win that component.
Again: I would love to see you do it. You will find that it is nearly impossible to do so. It is common sense, and you arguing it...you might as well be arguing that the Moon is bigger than the Earth.
It is a message board.
I do not understand why you have not learned your lesson yet, but you will indeed learn. When i find a weakness--in this case, your refusal to state an alternate (or even AN) idea to help reduce Black on Black crime--I go for blood. Once there is blood, and you still continue in your foolish ways, I go for the kill. And I kill often.
I don't really give a fuck about bashing your ideas. Its the fact that you flat-out DON'T HAVE ANY IN THE FIRST PLACE, and yet here you are, typing up 3 post exchanges that are mostly comprised of attacks against me.
We are spending hundreds of thousands of characters talking about.....1 idea. Not 2, not 5.
Just One.
This is your doing and the result of your own insecurity.
...Friend, I don't even know what to say to you. I call Ebonics an L Variety, and the first thing out of your mouth is proclaiming that it is "a DIALECT" and "NOT" a language. Talk about the department of redundancy department.....
It does not need to be diglossia. I am not sure what you are trying to clarify here. The fact of the matter is that AAVE is an L Variety and it has no social prestige; it is used among certain groups and contains a specialized vernacular. This is the way things work, unless you want to Wiki up something real quick and try to correct me.
AAVE is ESSENTIALLY its own language. Stop wasting my fucking time just because you STILL haven't figured out how adverbs work.
The '3+' stands. You fail in disqualifying it. So now, are you going to go look up the research or not?
Friend, I am telling you how. People who learn multiple languages, especially when they have nor eal incentive to do so (living in Monolingual societies), typically are a more pacified kind of people and commit less crimes.
Now, either you can refute that claim, or you cannot. If you provide no evidence, instead trying to force me to act first...you lose. If i provide no evidence and you don't respond, you still lose. If you provide evidence, I will provide my own and you will, of course, lose.
It is a no-win situation for you, finding yourself in a conversation about Swahili, Second Language Learning and Sociolinguistics, none of which you know jack shit about. I would be agitated as well.
Whats that one fallacy where you...well...lie?
H Variety English and L Variety (Ebonics, for example) being essentially TWO LANGUAGES
Do we need to sticky a big ass thread and FAQ about how adverbs work? How many more times will I have to point out either of your lack of understanding, or deceitful use of quotes?
I have studied all that I say I have. That is as real as it gets. How I apply these things in "real life" has no bearing whatsoever on this conversation. Stop with the...`red herrings', I believe it is.
I can answer any question on this Topic, and in near-infinite detail, if i so desired. But the reality is that you are not saying shit and do not deserve that kind of deference. You are stuck. You are running on empty, and yet, you are a prideful man, a master of manipulation and pontification, so you will not give up easily, despite the staggering odds you face.
If you were sincere about this topic, the path is simple: 1) Stop asking so many questions, and 2) State your own opinion on how to reduce Black on Black violence, and 3) Get off my dick.
Any way you slice it, so far it is DS--1 idea, Heresy--0. I may look stupid right now, but you look even hella more stupider.
....Friend, you are asking me shit and not even attempting to answer it yourself. I was given the following quote:
"How will Swahili increase black ownership in these markets?"
And my response was for you to tell me. Demonstrate that you are even paying attention. What use is a question like this without your own commentary and opinions? Literally no use at all. It is just another question you are using to pester and annoy, knowing that no matter the answer, you are still going to wig out and type 3 more paragraphs about it.
We will play by the rules of whoever is in control. Right now, you have no control. You are my bitch here. These are topics you know nothing about, and they are all being combined as one. You are squirming and whining and crying. You are in a horrible position here, and your only choice period is to stay on the offensive. You fail here because you have nothing. My defense is superior. I batter you constantly. You bleed and feel pain. Your +4 armor is no match for my +10 sword.
You will present your own ideas, or attempt to clean up my own, or you will lose by a much larger margin than you would normally lose. This is the course of events as they are plotted. You are not free to change them.
How does it not? I have explained several times already how it does. It is a chain reaction.
That you cannot break that chain is not my fault. That you don't know where to go to get the research you need to prove me wrong, also, is not my fault.
We should trust the Gov't 100% until we graduate college, and we should definitely learn Swahili.
If you don't agree with this program, then come up with your own. Armed Revolution and English-Only, would be my guess.
Already explained.
Already answered.
How can it not? Swaihli books run for the same prices as CDs or T-Shirts. Often less. Textbooks are available free online, with the ability to print them out free at the Public Library. In short, there are no price concerns. WTF are you even talking about?
Already explained.
`People' being who? Certainly not African people. Like I explained before, and in very much detail that you seemed to ignore, these people do not have problems both learning many languages and maintaining their own identities.
American Blacks, there is no culture to be lost but the White Man's culture, which is essentially, all that we know. Are you saying we should avoid Swahili so that we might not lose this wonderful White Man's culture and philosophical system?
We are a monolingual country. There is no need to learn others. All but specialized classrooms are in English. Legislation is in English. 98% of television channels are in English. We are an English-speaking country.
Belgium, is different. Canada as well. India, very different. DR Congo, extremely different. This list goes on. Unfortunately, it does not include our country.
I am once again not sure what your point is. You are trying to argue that by having another language, someone will lose their own language. Your assumption was that it would be replaced, and I then explained to you why, due to the very nature of multilingual societies, it would not.
Now you are talking about shit that doesn't even matter.
Obviously, it wasn't, or you wouldn't have said: "What I am saying is over time people will loose culture (and the original language) as the new one evolves"
Do you even try to be consistent, or do you just rumble along, answering each segment individually and without regard to others?
Friend, It will prove that I am not only right about this topic, but I am right about you. You are sweating on this one. You seriously don't know shit about shit, and yet...you continue. Only God knows why you would lead yourself to the slaughter. You're all in with a deuce-seven offsuit. This is not good for you.
So you challenge me to explain how Learning Swahili would reduce Black on Black crime, and then when I am presenting the evidences, you say they are useless.
Friend, i am EXPLAINING to you that learning foreign languages requires a higher level of ability. I am EXPLAINING to you that only certain kinds of people can cut it in these classes. I am EXPLAINING to you how the cultural knowledge and things like these you learn in classes and how they expand your horizons. I am EXPLAINING to you how there is not disruptions in language classes, and i am EXPLAINING to you how slackers and do-nothings cannot survive in these classes.
If you STILL want to sit there, after all of these first-hand descriptions from a man who has taken well over a dozen language classes, and not be able to draw the next logical steps and conclusions, then there is not much more I can do here. Your mind is sealed. You are arguing just to argue, and not because you have a point or purpose.
So there's that, and then what? Are you going to completely forget about this 3 posts from now, demanding that I "explain how Swahili can reduce Black on Black crime", completely ignoring how I just described that the Swahili language is able to bring people together more so than learning French or German?
And no matter what I rap, there will always be someone that hates and doesn't appreciate. Fortunately, none of that matters as long as albums are shipping, esp. Replicated ones. And indeed...they shipped. I am in the black. I have not released anything in a while, but still.....in the black. I am sorry for this.
Their panic does not matter. It is only a language, one that anyone can learn by picking up a book.
Sounds great, you have not even shown that you have given this idea a fair shake. You are not someone who has brought up government grants for textbooks, or Rap Music in swahili, or anything like these. Those were all me.
To me, it looks like you are finally fed up with this convo, so you are now officially picking up the designated Black People baton and running with it. You have resorted to speaking "for" all Black people, and it is funny to me. You are even insinuating that the only way Black people will learn Swahili, is if they can make money doing it, as if Black people cannot appreciate good art or consider new strategies for communication. You insult Black people's intelligence, and yet, act as though you speak for them. I am thoroughly enjoying this latest development.
It does not need to. It is something about language, and you do not know siht about language. You do not demonstrate a desire to know shit about language either.
What i said was just another nail. Ignore it. I am sitting here explaining, and defining, and elaborating about language and Sociolinguistics and things like these; and you are asking questions, twisting arguments, misquoting me and generally treading water. You are really struggling to gain your footing here.
I am clearly the authority here, the one with the ability to present new information and descriptions, and you are nothing but a moderator who can only react and ask questions. The reality is that Moderators don't win debates.....they just happen to talk a lot.
I am speaking the truth. I know losing arguments when I see them, and I see you in a losing argument. If this were real life or the phone, you'd have made up an excuse for walking away a long time ago. But being as though this is all right here, real time, for all to observe and for all to go back later and read.......you will not give up until you are an absolute bloody mess, which I am prepared to reduce you to if you do not bite your tongue and humble yourself to my superior position.
It always is, when you're losing.
I am having a field day with you. I am dropping knowledge at every turn, and you have nothing. You dropped diglossia, and that is about it. I have dropped H/L-Variety, Lingua Franca, Creole, Pidgin, Niger-Congo, Bantu, Monolingual Society, Inflections, Tones, Clicks and other terms that are directly relevant to my position. You cannot compete. You are outgunned. You have a pea-shooter going up against a my potato gun. I clearly have the advantage.
If you don't agree with this program, then come up with your own. Armed Revolution and English-Only, would be my guess.
Already explained.
Already answered.
How can it not? Swaihli books run for the same prices as CDs or T-Shirts. Often less. Textbooks are available free online, with the ability to print them out free at the Public Library. In short, there are no price concerns. WTF are you even talking about?
Already explained.
`People' being who? Certainly not African people. Like I explained before, and in very much detail that you seemed to ignore, these people do not have problems both learning many languages and maintaining their own identities.
American Blacks, there is no culture to be lost but the White Man's culture, which is essentially, all that we know. Are you saying we should avoid Swahili so that we might not lose this wonderful White Man's culture and philosophical system?
We are a monolingual country. There is no need to learn others. All but specialized classrooms are in English. Legislation is in English. 98% of television channels are in English. We are an English-speaking country.
Belgium, is different. Canada as well. India, very different. DR Congo, extremely different. This list goes on. Unfortunately, it does not include our country.
I am once again not sure what your point is. You are trying to argue that by having another language, someone will lose their own language. Your assumption was that it would be replaced, and I then explained to you why, due to the very nature of multilingual societies, it would not.
Now you are talking about shit that doesn't even matter.
Obviously, it wasn't, or you wouldn't have said: "What I am saying is over time people will loose culture (and the original language) as the new one evolves"
Do you even try to be consistent, or do you just rumble along, answering each segment individually and without regard to others?
Friend, It will prove that I am not only right about this topic, but I am right about you. You are sweating on this one. You seriously don't know shit about shit, and yet...you continue. Only God knows why you would lead yourself to the slaughter. You're all in with a deuce-seven offsuit. This is not good for you.
So you challenge me to explain how Learning Swahili would reduce Black on Black crime, and then when I am presenting the evidences, you say they are useless.
Friend, i am EXPLAINING to you that learning foreign languages requires a higher level of ability. I am EXPLAINING to you that only certain kinds of people can cut it in these classes. I am EXPLAINING to you how the cultural knowledge and things like these you learn in classes and how they expand your horizons. I am EXPLAINING to you how there is not disruptions in language classes, and i am EXPLAINING to you how slackers and do-nothings cannot survive in these classes.
If you STILL want to sit there, after all of these first-hand descriptions from a man who has taken well over a dozen language classes, and not be able to draw the next logical steps and conclusions, then there is not much more I can do here. Your mind is sealed. You are arguing just to argue, and not because you have a point or purpose.
So there's that, and then what? Are you going to completely forget about this 3 posts from now, demanding that I "explain how Swahili can reduce Black on Black crime", completely ignoring how I just described that the Swahili language is able to bring people together more so than learning French or German?
And no matter what I rap, there will always be someone that hates and doesn't appreciate. Fortunately, none of that matters as long as albums are shipping, esp. Replicated ones. And indeed...they shipped. I am in the black. I have not released anything in a while, but still.....in the black. I am sorry for this.
Their panic does not matter. It is only a language, one that anyone can learn by picking up a book.
Sounds great, you have not even shown that you have given this idea a fair shake. You are not someone who has brought up government grants for textbooks, or Rap Music in swahili, or anything like these. Those were all me.
To me, it looks like you are finally fed up with this convo, so you are now officially picking up the designated Black People baton and running with it. You have resorted to speaking "for" all Black people, and it is funny to me. You are even insinuating that the only way Black people will learn Swahili, is if they can make money doing it, as if Black people cannot appreciate good art or consider new strategies for communication. You insult Black people's intelligence, and yet, act as though you speak for them. I am thoroughly enjoying this latest development.
It does not need to. It is something about language, and you do not know siht about language. You do not demonstrate a desire to know shit about language either.
What i said was just another nail. Ignore it. I am sitting here explaining, and defining, and elaborating about language and Sociolinguistics and things like these; and you are asking questions, twisting arguments, misquoting me and generally treading water. You are really struggling to gain your footing here.
I am clearly the authority here, the one with the ability to present new information and descriptions, and you are nothing but a moderator who can only react and ask questions. The reality is that Moderators don't win debates.....they just happen to talk a lot.
I am speaking the truth. I know losing arguments when I see them, and I see you in a losing argument. If this were real life or the phone, you'd have made up an excuse for walking away a long time ago. But being as though this is all right here, real time, for all to observe and for all to go back later and read.......you will not give up until you are an absolute bloody mess, which I am prepared to reduce you to if you do not bite your tongue and humble yourself to my superior position.
"ostentatious" Damn man I haven't saw that one in a grip.
Everything else you posted is drivel.
Everything else you posted is drivel.
I am having a field day with you. I am dropping knowledge at every turn, and you have nothing. You dropped diglossia, and that is about it. I have dropped H/L-Variety, Lingua Franca, Creole, Pidgin, Niger-Congo, Bantu, Monolingual Society, Inflections, Tones, Clicks and other terms that are directly relevant to my position. You cannot compete. You are outgunned. You have a pea-shooter going up against a my potato gun. I clearly have the advantage.
I have answered your challenge with countless amounts of information. Do not blame me because you cannot put it all together, nor refute it, nor elaborate on it, nor replace it, nor do ANYTHING with it other than duck and dodge.
So now you are mad because I keep calling you out about moving from the U.S.A., when we both know you have no plans? You play the "hit my PM" thing like it matters. You are a man who will openly express hatred for the Gov't and the president, and yet, you cannot even name a single fucking country you're thinking about moving to and how you plan to accomplish it.
The reason why you keep asking questions, is because you do not understand Sociolinguistics. That is really what it all boils down to--every last ounce of this argument. You have no conception of it. You do not understand and are not familar with it. You are doing the astronomical equivalent of asking me to prove that Mars is farther from the sun than Jupiter, and I am just sitting here laughing at you. You are not only asking stupid questions, you are asking stupid questions that both don't matter in the first place, and also, that you would already know had you studied in advance that which you are attempting to argue.
LOOK at my posts.
LOOK at your posts.
You have gone from mostly asking questions--what a person in the offensive position would do--to not asking questions. This your own subconscious admission to yourself that you are losing. You are going downhill. But incredibly enough, this is 55-44-1, and you honestly believe that the solution is to shout louder and be more of a dick than ever.
No. Doesn't work that way.
Come up with some of your own ideas and solutions, or at the very least demonstrate something other than an infantile knowledge of Sociolinguistics and the possible impact of second-language learning on violent activity, or you will continue to be castigated and ravaged.
"COMPLETELY DEAD"....Oh really? I would love to see you provide such a quote.
Funny how you leave out adjectives when its not convenient, and then add in ones that don't exist when it IS convenient.
What a liar and a flim-flammer you have proven yourself to be.
Uh....thanks for proving my point?
You do realize that the -VIV- in REVIVED means Life, correct? It was brought back to life. Yet...it was dead. Not completely dead, but dead. It was not being developed. It was certainly being employed, but not developed. Languages that do not develop, and are not used by common populaces for everyday activities, are considered to be dead.
Any angle you choose to take it, you still lose. The article itself mirrors my own explanation: the language was dead, per se, liturgical use alternately applying and not applying towards such a condition.
Scared Pussy.
I spoke of Jews reviving Hebrew. You spoke of English being the most widely spoken language among Jews. I clarified that I was 'not really talking about' Jews as a whole, but Israelis. You then put up a big fuss about the fact that I did, in fact, mention Jews, and not Israelis. And then I explained how I obviously meant Israeli Jews, as Texan Jews would have no reason to revive Hebrew as a language of everyday communication.
If it is a "Strawman Argument" to correct and clarify the errors you are making, then....sure. That must be what it is. I'll take that.
You are really shaken here. I can smell your fear. You are even playing the "us" card. That is truly amazing. Playing the "I am Black people" card, and now the "We don't like you" card. What else is even left in the deck at this point that you won't bring out?
You are a coward. An obstinate, loud-mouthed coward. You have no chance whatsoever of winning this argument, and yet you continue. That in itself doesn't make you a coward--quite the contrary--but your misquotes and refusal to contribute to the discussion definitely do.
You are scared to provide an idea. Literally scared. The only thing you will provide at this point is some smart-assed idea. You will not provide something serious, because at this point you have nothing. You are not an idea person. It is no wonder you are a producer and not a rapper. You couldn't be a writer, unless you were Puffy or Dre. And I am sure you know exactly what I mean by that.
You really cannot be enjoying yourself very much at this point. The only thing difficult about this exchange right now, is the fact that I have to copy/paste shit in Notepad and make 3-4+ separate posts to not go over the 10K limit. Other than that.....this is nothing to me. And yet, it means everything to you.
I know exactly what I am speaking on, and that is what has you so shook. This is why you keep clamoring about Red Herrings and Strawman Arguments and anything else you can dig up instead of facing the fact that you know shit about the topic.
Connecting Multiple-Language learning and Reduced Crime Rates, is something I have done since the beginning. You have chosen to ignore this because, with it, your position falls apart. The false misconception that I have not already explained in any detail how learning Swahili could Reduce Crime, is all you have. You have nothing more. You are an empty shell of a man, with a hollow, shitty argument.
And yet, Hebrew has replaced it as the Prestige Variety. If you want to be "just another Jew", you learn English. When you're ready to make the step up, to join the new Jewish movement, to connect with those millions of your brothers who struggle every day for their survival.....you learn Hebrew.
Again: Already explained.
Again: The specific language is of no consequence.
Studying Languages generally lowers the crime rate, just the same as Being on Drugs generally raises the crime rate. It is just the way things are.
That's some jump to make, and I am not sure how you got to it. How does not being relevant relate to being considered a father figure, (other than the obvious cheap shot)?
At any age, you are not someone who matters here. You are in over your head. You are a deaf mute and I am Noam Chomsky. In a more humane society, your corner would have been thrown in the towel on you already.
So now you are mad because I keep calling you out about moving from the U.S.A., when we both know you have no plans? You play the "hit my PM" thing like it matters. You are a man who will openly express hatred for the Gov't and the president, and yet, you cannot even name a single fucking country you're thinking about moving to and how you plan to accomplish it.
The reason why you keep asking questions, is because you do not understand Sociolinguistics. That is really what it all boils down to--every last ounce of this argument. You have no conception of it. You do not understand and are not familar with it. You are doing the astronomical equivalent of asking me to prove that Mars is farther from the sun than Jupiter, and I am just sitting here laughing at you. You are not only asking stupid questions, you are asking stupid questions that both don't matter in the first place, and also, that you would already know had you studied in advance that which you are attempting to argue.
LOOK at my posts.
LOOK at your posts.
You have gone from mostly asking questions--what a person in the offensive position would do--to not asking questions. This your own subconscious admission to yourself that you are losing. You are going downhill. But incredibly enough, this is 55-44-1, and you honestly believe that the solution is to shout louder and be more of a dick than ever.
No. Doesn't work that way.
Come up with some of your own ideas and solutions, or at the very least demonstrate something other than an infantile knowledge of Sociolinguistics and the possible impact of second-language learning on violent activity, or you will continue to be castigated and ravaged.
"COMPLETELY DEAD"....Oh really? I would love to see you provide such a quote.
Funny how you leave out adjectives when its not convenient, and then add in ones that don't exist when it IS convenient.
What a liar and a flim-flammer you have proven yourself to be.
Uh....thanks for proving my point?
You do realize that the -VIV- in REVIVED means Life, correct? It was brought back to life. Yet...it was dead. Not completely dead, but dead. It was not being developed. It was certainly being employed, but not developed. Languages that do not develop, and are not used by common populaces for everyday activities, are considered to be dead.
Any angle you choose to take it, you still lose. The article itself mirrors my own explanation: the language was dead, per se, liturgical use alternately applying and not applying towards such a condition.
Scared Pussy.
I spoke of Jews reviving Hebrew. You spoke of English being the most widely spoken language among Jews. I clarified that I was 'not really talking about' Jews as a whole, but Israelis. You then put up a big fuss about the fact that I did, in fact, mention Jews, and not Israelis. And then I explained how I obviously meant Israeli Jews, as Texan Jews would have no reason to revive Hebrew as a language of everyday communication.
If it is a "Strawman Argument" to correct and clarify the errors you are making, then....sure. That must be what it is. I'll take that.
You are really shaken here. I can smell your fear. You are even playing the "us" card. That is truly amazing. Playing the "I am Black people" card, and now the "We don't like you" card. What else is even left in the deck at this point that you won't bring out?
You are a coward. An obstinate, loud-mouthed coward. You have no chance whatsoever of winning this argument, and yet you continue. That in itself doesn't make you a coward--quite the contrary--but your misquotes and refusal to contribute to the discussion definitely do.
You are scared to provide an idea. Literally scared. The only thing you will provide at this point is some smart-assed idea. You will not provide something serious, because at this point you have nothing. You are not an idea person. It is no wonder you are a producer and not a rapper. You couldn't be a writer, unless you were Puffy or Dre. And I am sure you know exactly what I mean by that.
You really cannot be enjoying yourself very much at this point. The only thing difficult about this exchange right now, is the fact that I have to copy/paste shit in Notepad and make 3-4+ separate posts to not go over the 10K limit. Other than that.....this is nothing to me. And yet, it means everything to you.
I know exactly what I am speaking on, and that is what has you so shook. This is why you keep clamoring about Red Herrings and Strawman Arguments and anything else you can dig up instead of facing the fact that you know shit about the topic.
Connecting Multiple-Language learning and Reduced Crime Rates, is something I have done since the beginning. You have chosen to ignore this because, with it, your position falls apart. The false misconception that I have not already explained in any detail how learning Swahili could Reduce Crime, is all you have. You have nothing more. You are an empty shell of a man, with a hollow, shitty argument.
And yet, Hebrew has replaced it as the Prestige Variety. If you want to be "just another Jew", you learn English. When you're ready to make the step up, to join the new Jewish movement, to connect with those millions of your brothers who struggle every day for their survival.....you learn Hebrew.
Again: Already explained.
Again: The specific language is of no consequence.
Studying Languages generally lowers the crime rate, just the same as Being on Drugs generally raises the crime rate. It is just the way things are.
That's some jump to make, and I am not sure how you got to it. How does not being relevant relate to being considered a father figure, (other than the obvious cheap shot)?
At any age, you are not someone who matters here. You are in over your head. You are a deaf mute and I am Noam Chomsky. In a more humane society, your corner would have been thrown in the towel on you already.
One....once again the "We/Us/Everyone" card. Desperation at its finest.
Two...already have.
Three, you tell me. I have already explained how Swahili, IMO, the best choice. If you want to offer up Spanish, then you can do your own IMO'ing and information providing.
I don't ask (literally) a dozen non-rhetorical questions in the same response. That is all you.
At this rate, it won't be for another week or two before I bring up that the language is agglutinative, that the language employs an extensive class system, etc etc. You are busy arguing about dumb shit.
i am being forward and honest. I am expounding on everything. I am providing details, and essential vocabulary, and shaping this entire debate.
And you? Questioning. Whining. Playing word games. Labeling things Logical Fallacies when you cannot answer. Repeatedly demanding answers to questions that have already been answered. Basically, doing nothing. Wasting time. Responding just to respond.
STRAW MAN!
Ahem.
"You will need to take what I am saying and synthesize it into your own example. If you cannot do this, you are not worth me doing it for you when all you will do is continue saying the same exact shit and playing word games, over and over again until this thread is forgotten"
You have done this before, and you will do it again. You want no part of this Black on Black violence discussion, because you have no ideas. What ideas you may have are probably sloppy, impractical and overly idealistic. You would fall apart under pressure.
*Sticks Fingers in Ears* LA LA LA!!!! U BIG POOPY HEAD!!!!
This is all elementary to me. This is all review. This is language, and I study language for 20+ hours a week. Often, more.
You're the only one suffering right now.
I am glad you are appreciating these things. It is always great to see someone coming into their own.
I have that and more, and in the one case, have already explained that the Swahili classes are already there to take. I have also already touched on the very real possibility of Gov't grants for new Swahili books, but those would most likely first require an increased demand, however slight. It is that slight demand I plan to create.
What are your plans for your own ideas, friend? Oh, thats right: you don't have any.
My 1 on a scale of 10, would be better than your 0 out of 10, any day of the week. There is just no getting around it. It doesn't help you that mine right now is more like a 8, and you are still fighting tooth and nail to knock it down to a 7 or 6...and gaining no ground.
You are the one saying Red Herring over and over again. It seemed like every place you got stuck, you said it. It reminds me of the word DOLT: i used it around one particular moron on another board (the guy happens to be a foreigner), and now he won't stop using it. What's worse, he pretends he didn't get it from me when a simple search shows that he did.
Anyways....sport. You have a lot of problems here. You are behind on the score cards. You don't have a towel to throw in, there is no referee, and there are no judges, but somehow, somewhere, there must be those somewhere, congregating and getting together, trying to decide the best way to convince you to just give up. To walk away. To save what little face you have remaining. It is a shame you cannot hear their calls.
And you have no argument unless you can keep spreading the misconception that I have not explained how Swahili can reduce violence within the black community.
And I have explained it in bits and pieces, in every one of my posts. You are mad because I am not combining everything and copy/pasting it all at once exactly when you ask. That is your own problem.
The Logical person, my dear friend, would not act like such a scaredy cat. The logical person would tell themselves, "Hey: Maybe he has a point with this Swahili thing. I should give this some thought. I should ask this man what systems could be created, and which are already in place, that might facilitate the adoption of Swahili."
Instead, you are demanding RIGHT AWAY to have the EXACT link to the Black on Black Violence topic. You want that EXACT LINK, RIGHT AWAY. NO COMPROMISE! You act as if you want this conversation to hurry up and end, that you cannot sustain suuuuuuuch a loooooong time of me first explaining how to implement Swahili; then some of its benefits and drawbacks; and only THEN, explaining the specific issue of Crime.
If you would be patient, it would get there. If you would be calmer, maybe you wouldn't be forced to dig back through all my posts to re-create the answer to the question you are demanding to know the response to. If you would not be in such a hurry, you would be able to let this conversation run its course, rather than forcing a confrontation.
30,000+ characters later, This is how it breaks down:
I could, at this very moment, be expounding on Swahili, and you on the solution of your own choice. I would have my points, and you, yours. The time could then come that one of us says, "I believe my solution is more practical than yours", and the games would begin. We would discuss pro's and cons; I would give your theory a run, and you would give mine a run. The people would start coming down on sides, and a general consensus would be declared.
But, you didn't want that. So what we have now is me bringing up and discussing Swahili, and you immediately, and without even having thought of your own idea, demanding that I move directly and without pause to the Reducing Violence component of my argument. It is very sad indeed the way you are pouncing and not allowing the exchange to progress and take shape on its own.
Scared Pussy.
I have done this and more, with thousands of characters.
Your lack of knowledge of Sociolinguistics prevents you from putting all the pieces together.
Again: Not my fault. I am not going to sit here and explain Quadratic Equations to you, just because you haven't even progressed beyond simple addition and subtraction. It is your own fault for jumping into a losing debate, with nothing going for you other than your name and your determination not to lose.
You are indeed losing. You have nothing going for you. You have no momentum whatsoever. You are being destroyed. I am crushing your head.
Thats one way to put it. In other words: "In any other place, you would be losing!". Basically, as far as Siccness goes, you admit getting your ass handed to you.
Moreover, you're even proud of the fact that you'd be able to "win" a debate while not knowing shit about the topic, based on the fact that you know the structure and how to avoid fallacies and rule breakages. That is surely something to be proud of: Winning not because you're Informed, but on a Technicality.
Two...already have.
Three, you tell me. I have already explained how Swahili, IMO, the best choice. If you want to offer up Spanish, then you can do your own IMO'ing and information providing.
I don't ask (literally) a dozen non-rhetorical questions in the same response. That is all you.
At this rate, it won't be for another week or two before I bring up that the language is agglutinative, that the language employs an extensive class system, etc etc. You are busy arguing about dumb shit.
i am being forward and honest. I am expounding on everything. I am providing details, and essential vocabulary, and shaping this entire debate.
And you? Questioning. Whining. Playing word games. Labeling things Logical Fallacies when you cannot answer. Repeatedly demanding answers to questions that have already been answered. Basically, doing nothing. Wasting time. Responding just to respond.
STRAW MAN!
Ahem.
"You will need to take what I am saying and synthesize it into your own example. If you cannot do this, you are not worth me doing it for you when all you will do is continue saying the same exact shit and playing word games, over and over again until this thread is forgotten"
You have done this before, and you will do it again. You want no part of this Black on Black violence discussion, because you have no ideas. What ideas you may have are probably sloppy, impractical and overly idealistic. You would fall apart under pressure.
*Sticks Fingers in Ears* LA LA LA!!!! U BIG POOPY HEAD!!!!
This is all elementary to me. This is all review. This is language, and I study language for 20+ hours a week. Often, more.
You're the only one suffering right now.
I am glad you are appreciating these things. It is always great to see someone coming into their own.
I have that and more, and in the one case, have already explained that the Swahili classes are already there to take. I have also already touched on the very real possibility of Gov't grants for new Swahili books, but those would most likely first require an increased demand, however slight. It is that slight demand I plan to create.
What are your plans for your own ideas, friend? Oh, thats right: you don't have any.
My 1 on a scale of 10, would be better than your 0 out of 10, any day of the week. There is just no getting around it. It doesn't help you that mine right now is more like a 8, and you are still fighting tooth and nail to knock it down to a 7 or 6...and gaining no ground.
You are the one saying Red Herring over and over again. It seemed like every place you got stuck, you said it. It reminds me of the word DOLT: i used it around one particular moron on another board (the guy happens to be a foreigner), and now he won't stop using it. What's worse, he pretends he didn't get it from me when a simple search shows that he did.
Anyways....sport. You have a lot of problems here. You are behind on the score cards. You don't have a towel to throw in, there is no referee, and there are no judges, but somehow, somewhere, there must be those somewhere, congregating and getting together, trying to decide the best way to convince you to just give up. To walk away. To save what little face you have remaining. It is a shame you cannot hear their calls.
And you have no argument unless you can keep spreading the misconception that I have not explained how Swahili can reduce violence within the black community.
And I have explained it in bits and pieces, in every one of my posts. You are mad because I am not combining everything and copy/pasting it all at once exactly when you ask. That is your own problem.
The Logical person, my dear friend, would not act like such a scaredy cat. The logical person would tell themselves, "Hey: Maybe he has a point with this Swahili thing. I should give this some thought. I should ask this man what systems could be created, and which are already in place, that might facilitate the adoption of Swahili."
Instead, you are demanding RIGHT AWAY to have the EXACT link to the Black on Black Violence topic. You want that EXACT LINK, RIGHT AWAY. NO COMPROMISE! You act as if you want this conversation to hurry up and end, that you cannot sustain suuuuuuuch a loooooong time of me first explaining how to implement Swahili; then some of its benefits and drawbacks; and only THEN, explaining the specific issue of Crime.
If you would be patient, it would get there. If you would be calmer, maybe you wouldn't be forced to dig back through all my posts to re-create the answer to the question you are demanding to know the response to. If you would not be in such a hurry, you would be able to let this conversation run its course, rather than forcing a confrontation.
30,000+ characters later, This is how it breaks down:
I could, at this very moment, be expounding on Swahili, and you on the solution of your own choice. I would have my points, and you, yours. The time could then come that one of us says, "I believe my solution is more practical than yours", and the games would begin. We would discuss pro's and cons; I would give your theory a run, and you would give mine a run. The people would start coming down on sides, and a general consensus would be declared.
But, you didn't want that. So what we have now is me bringing up and discussing Swahili, and you immediately, and without even having thought of your own idea, demanding that I move directly and without pause to the Reducing Violence component of my argument. It is very sad indeed the way you are pouncing and not allowing the exchange to progress and take shape on its own.
Scared Pussy.
I have done this and more, with thousands of characters.
Your lack of knowledge of Sociolinguistics prevents you from putting all the pieces together.
Again: Not my fault. I am not going to sit here and explain Quadratic Equations to you, just because you haven't even progressed beyond simple addition and subtraction. It is your own fault for jumping into a losing debate, with nothing going for you other than your name and your determination not to lose.
You are indeed losing. You have nothing going for you. You have no momentum whatsoever. You are being destroyed. I am crushing your head.
Thats one way to put it. In other words: "In any other place, you would be losing!". Basically, as far as Siccness goes, you admit getting your ass handed to you.
Moreover, you're even proud of the fact that you'd be able to "win" a debate while not knowing shit about the topic, based on the fact that you know the structure and how to avoid fallacies and rule breakages. That is surely something to be proud of: Winning not because you're Informed, but on a Technicality.
Awww....the crybaby is taking his ball and going home. But, guess what? This isn't a bar. This isn't someone's house. You can't just walk out and make this all go away.
These words are here to stay. And the history will relate that you were defeated, and it wasn't even close. You failed to prove that Swahili couldn't reduce Black on Black Crime, and you failed to provide your own idea towards reducing Black on Black violence.
You came in here, did a lot of talking, and came out with nothing. I came in here, put in a lot of work, and came out with another win.
Like you'd expect anything else from a Heresy vs Tadou arugment.
Humble Pie...have yourself a slice.
These words are here to stay. And the history will relate that you were defeated, and it wasn't even close. You failed to prove that Swahili couldn't reduce Black on Black Crime, and you failed to provide your own idea towards reducing Black on Black violence.
You came in here, did a lot of talking, and came out with nothing. I came in here, put in a lot of work, and came out with another win.
Like you'd expect anything else from a Heresy vs Tadou arugment.
Humble Pie...have yourself a slice.
I am NOT going to read all of that.
You exhibit traits of being passive agressive. Everything in bold apllies to you.
*FEAR OF DEPENDENCY - Unsure of his autonomy & afraid of being alone, he fights his dependency needs - usually by trying to control you.
*FEAR OF INTIMACY - Guarded & often mistrusful, he is reluctant to show his emotional fragility. He's often out of touch with his feelings, reflexively denying feelings he thinks will "trap" or reveal him, like love. He picks fights to create distance.
*FEAR OF COMPETITION - Feeling inadequate, he is unable to compete with other men in work and love. He may operate either as a self-sabotaging wimp with a pattern of failure, or he'll be the tyrant, setting himself up as unassailable and perfect, needing to eliminate any threat to his power.
*OBSTRUCTIONISM - Just tell a p/a man what you want, no matter how small, and he may promise to get it for you. But he won't say when, and he"ll do it deliberately slowly just to frustrate you. Maybe he won't comply at all. He blocks any real progress he sees to your getting your way.
*FOSTERING CHAOS - The p/a man prefers to leave the puzzle incomplete, the job undone.
*FEELING VICTIMIZED - The p/a man protests that others unfairly accuse him rather than owning up to his own misdeeds. To remain above reporach, he sets himself up as the apparently hapless, innocent victim of your excessive demands and tirades.
*MAKING EXCUSES & LYING - The p/a man reaches as far as he can to fabricate excuses for not fulfilling promises. As a way of withholding information, affirmation or love - to have power over you - the p/a man may choose to make up a story rather than give you a straight answer.
*PROCRASTINATION - The p/a man has an odd sense of time - he believes that deadlines don't exist for him.
*CHRONIC LATENESS & FORGETFULNESS - One of the most infuriating & inconsiderate of all p/a traits is his inability to arrive on time. By keeping you waiting, he sets the ground rules of the relationship. And his selective forgetting - used only when he wants to avoid an obligation.
*AMBIGUITY - He is master of mixed messages and sitting on fences. When he tells you something, you may still walk away wondering if he actually said yes or no.
*SULKING - Feeling put upon when he is unable to live up to his promises or obligations, the p/a man retreats from pressures around him and sulks, pouts and withdraws.
In this thread you have done EVERYTHING in BOLD. Why should I continue with you? :dead:
You exhibit traits of being passive agressive. Everything in bold apllies to you.
*FEAR OF DEPENDENCY - Unsure of his autonomy & afraid of being alone, he fights his dependency needs - usually by trying to control you.
*FEAR OF INTIMACY - Guarded & often mistrusful, he is reluctant to show his emotional fragility. He's often out of touch with his feelings, reflexively denying feelings he thinks will "trap" or reveal him, like love. He picks fights to create distance.
*FEAR OF COMPETITION - Feeling inadequate, he is unable to compete with other men in work and love. He may operate either as a self-sabotaging wimp with a pattern of failure, or he'll be the tyrant, setting himself up as unassailable and perfect, needing to eliminate any threat to his power.
*OBSTRUCTIONISM - Just tell a p/a man what you want, no matter how small, and he may promise to get it for you. But he won't say when, and he"ll do it deliberately slowly just to frustrate you. Maybe he won't comply at all. He blocks any real progress he sees to your getting your way.
*FOSTERING CHAOS - The p/a man prefers to leave the puzzle incomplete, the job undone.
*FEELING VICTIMIZED - The p/a man protests that others unfairly accuse him rather than owning up to his own misdeeds. To remain above reporach, he sets himself up as the apparently hapless, innocent victim of your excessive demands and tirades.
*MAKING EXCUSES & LYING - The p/a man reaches as far as he can to fabricate excuses for not fulfilling promises. As a way of withholding information, affirmation or love - to have power over you - the p/a man may choose to make up a story rather than give you a straight answer.
*PROCRASTINATION - The p/a man has an odd sense of time - he believes that deadlines don't exist for him.
*CHRONIC LATENESS & FORGETFULNESS - One of the most infuriating & inconsiderate of all p/a traits is his inability to arrive on time. By keeping you waiting, he sets the ground rules of the relationship. And his selective forgetting - used only when he wants to avoid an obligation.
*AMBIGUITY - He is master of mixed messages and sitting on fences. When he tells you something, you may still walk away wondering if he actually said yes or no.
*SULKING - Feeling put upon when he is unable to live up to his promises or obligations, the p/a man retreats from pressures around him and sulks, pouts and withdraws.
In this thread you have done EVERYTHING in BOLD. Why should I continue with you? :dead: