Bay Rap Sales & Race
- Thread starter Mezzano
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and unless you get those white fans
you don't sell much out here, with a few exceptions
but the biggest selling bay artists aren't mob artists
their cats like Del and Nickatina even Mac Dre had the white audience, you can't just make HOOD MUSIC out here and sell records
cus on the real, the bay don't have a lot of hoods
we might have some of the most violent hoods in america
but mezzano's right in a way
atlanta, 70 percent of atlanta is the hood
those southern places is big ass hoods
out here it's hunters point or fillmore etc
out there it's south side
the whole damn south side of a town will be a big ass ghetto
so you can make dough off hood rap out there, not here
you don't sell much out here, with a few exceptions
but the biggest selling bay artists aren't mob artists
their cats like Del and Nickatina even Mac Dre had the white audience, you can't just make HOOD MUSIC out here and sell records
cus on the real, the bay don't have a lot of hoods
we might have some of the most violent hoods in america
but mezzano's right in a way
atlanta, 70 percent of atlanta is the hood
those southern places is big ass hoods
out here it's hunters point or fillmore etc
out there it's south side
the whole damn south side of a town will be a big ass ghetto
so you can make dough off hood rap out there, not here
Yeah that race thing is wack. It's true about Nickatina. Everytime I went to a show in Gilroy it was a shitload of white kids. I think the problem is everyone is trying to be a rapper. If you ain't good, sit the fuck down put away your microphone. Also I don't see people out pushing their shit except at shows. One time I did see them Pho Balo dudes selling cd's outside of Best Buy in Gilroy. Park at a record store, bump your shit, and talk to people. Fans love interacting with artists. One time I bought a CD from First Degree just after talkin to him outside a show before I even heard of him.
the reason bay artist aint moving a lotta units is cuz they make gutter music...music about being n the dope game, the casual hip hop fan dont feel all that music, y do u think this bay shit is considered underground...wut our bay artist is rappin about is thizzin, slanging dope, and pimpin hoes, that aint a universal topic many people outside the hood is gonna relate 2, and people n tha hood dont buy albums, they buy bootlegs
and the u cant say the market is flooded how many of u niggas go buy albums of rappers u aint never listened 2 b4, i aint never bought a cd of a rapper i aint never heard at least 1 tight track from, i 4 sho as hell dont go 2 the record store and pick out albums at random, i also think that the bay dont move units cuz we got more computers out here, so we tend to bootleg and burn cds...illl buy an album and burn it for all my niggas, so all my niggas got the cd and only 1 cat bought it...see everyone is listenin 2 the album just aint nobody buyin em
This is complete bullshit! Hella cats out here in the Bay Area buy East Coast shit and Down South shit. I think it's all about exposure. If the Bay Area had more exposure that would open up the door to a wider audience. Promoting and marketing plays a huge role in a rappers success. Being backed up by a big name, label or producer is extremely important regardless of your talent. Well talent is huge, so i take that back. But this is just my opinion.
hMmm maybe it's because us folks burn the copy off a friend instead of actually buying the CD.
I'm not going to lie- i burn a lot of albums, but i also buy a significant amount as well.
The Bay Area makes quality music for reals!
hMmm maybe it's because us folks burn the copy off a friend instead of actually buying the CD.
I'm not going to lie- i burn a lot of albums, but i also buy a significant amount as well.
The Bay Area makes quality music for reals!
20,000 units is GOOD
To sell 20,000 units anywhere is a great accomplishment. If Marv sold the majority of those in the Bay, thenm he is doing great. Imagine If he reinvested just some of the profits in that same album and bought cable ads and paid street teams in the Midwest and the South. He would definitely double and triple that. Like I said before 20,000 is a huge accomplishment. You cant believe everything you hear. There are plenty known rappers in other regions who dont move near 20,000 units on a particular release.
To sell 20,000 units anywhere is a great accomplishment. If Marv sold the majority of those in the Bay, thenm he is doing great. Imagine If he reinvested just some of the profits in that same album and bought cable ads and paid street teams in the Midwest and the South. He would definitely double and triple that. Like I said before 20,000 is a huge accomplishment. You cant believe everything you hear. There are plenty known rappers in other regions who dont move near 20,000 units on a particular release.
It really aint a generalization at all. Its facts.
We talkin bout the Bay where whites are not the minority though. You gettin off track here.
Maybe in ATL blacks make up the majority of rap sales, maybe they dont, I don't know, but one thing I do know is that you asked why Bay rap aint doin better in the Bay, and It cant be cause of there not being enough blacks because they do not make up a very large part of rap sales in the first place compared to whites and hispanics. It has more to do with the flooded market. Plus to add to the problem of the market bein flooded, most of the shit thats floodin the shelves is garbage ass shit and It only takes for people to buy a couple of these half ass records before they start to lose faith in the local stuff that comes out, and that rubs off on everybody, even the good artists like Mess and Turf Talk. Im sure everybody remembers compilations right? Why you think the Bay dont really put out compilations no more? Too many had either recycled or just shitty songs on em. And as a result people stopped payin attention to em. Same shit is happenin to Bay rap in general with all these bullshit rappers that come out. These folks need to realize that just cause you got a lil money in your pocket that dont make you no rapper. Instead of droppin all that cheese on recording their own bullshit record, they need to find a real rapper to invest in if they really feel like they gotta be involved in the industry.
We talkin bout the Bay where whites are not the minority though. You gettin off track here.
Maybe in ATL blacks make up the majority of rap sales, maybe they dont, I don't know, but one thing I do know is that you asked why Bay rap aint doin better in the Bay, and It cant be cause of there not being enough blacks because they do not make up a very large part of rap sales in the first place compared to whites and hispanics. It has more to do with the flooded market. Plus to add to the problem of the market bein flooded, most of the shit thats floodin the shelves is garbage ass shit and It only takes for people to buy a couple of these half ass records before they start to lose faith in the local stuff that comes out, and that rubs off on everybody, even the good artists like Mess and Turf Talk. Im sure everybody remembers compilations right? Why you think the Bay dont really put out compilations no more? Too many had either recycled or just shitty songs on em. And as a result people stopped payin attention to em. Same shit is happenin to Bay rap in general with all these bullshit rappers that come out. These folks need to realize that just cause you got a lil money in your pocket that dont make you no rapper. Instead of droppin all that cheese on recording their own bullshit record, they need to find a real rapper to invest in if they really feel like they gotta be involved in the industry.
Yea u can say that whites buy what 80% of rap sales, ok true but blacks only make up 12% of the population which majority comes from the south. So based on those numbers of course blacks will sell more in the south. See this is the problem and its based on race heres why. Blacks arent a large population on the west coast compared to the south. When somebody from lets say houston or memphis comes out, He has the black dollar support from the surrounding states such as Ohklahoma, arkansas, alabama, the Carolinas, Lousiana even Florida. So basically the whole south. Now with the bay we dont get all that support for 2 reasons: some stay local and since there is not a large number of blacks on the west coast compared to the south we lose that black dollar, if we got support from our surrounding states such as Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Oregon and washington who buys bay rap and etc we would be just as dominant as the south, but since we have a smaller number of blacks in those states a lot of artists fail to push more units.
How yall explain the success of Bay Area rappers in the mid 90's then? I doubt its been a major decline in the percentage of black people in the bay since then, but there was a lot of gold and platinum mob orientated artists out the Bay back then.
^^^^eazy the bay artists were signed to majors and the ear was defintely in our area and the game wus fucked up but not as much as now as far commercial sucess and radio and all that but there was money and sum muscel that was put behind these bay artist and there were fewer artists and th eones that werent signed and doin the indi thing back then got a good lil buzz cuz the indusrty was checkin for the bay cuz we were doin good pz
^^^^eazy the bay artists were signed to majors and the ear was defintely in our area and the game wus fucked up but not as much as now as far commercial sucess and radio and all that but there was money and sum muscel that was put behind these bay artist and there were fewer artists and th eones that werent signed and doin the indi thing back then got a good lil buzz cuz the indusrty was checkin for the bay cuz we were doin good pz
Thats not a excuse thats a reality. And also there is a major decline in black folks in cali since the 90's. People was movin to places like atlanta and texas like crazy in the late 90's early 2000's because the property value was dirt cheap compared to out here. And were talking about the present. Also back in the mid 90's u didnt have as many artist's breaking 2 million plus records. yea we had plat and gold artist's but also they had a heavy fan base in cali, up thru Washington and thru the midwest and thru the south.The South supported the west back then and u can hear that influence in there music today but they also support there own more than we do. But not to mention we had better music coming up out of the bay during that 90's era. Now the market in the bay is flooded wit to many garbage ass rappers just trying to make a quick buck. I dont no how many times i called myself supporting the bay and buying a cd that was bootycrack!!
Have yall been down south before? When u listen to there radio stations all they play is down south shit and they local shit. In the clubs all they play is down south shit. Not to mention all the black colleges down there that supports the down south music. Open up your eyes. When these indy artists down south are doing 100,000 plus albums the majority of there sales come from blacks throught the whole southern region. U cant tell me that for example : Slim Thug sold a 100,000 with the Boss Hoggs, that 70'000-80,000 of his sales were from white people in the south since yall are saying that whites make up 70% of sales. U see were im going with this? i would say that number is reversed and that 70,000 of those units were from blacks from the south.
Have yall been down south before? When u listen to there radio stations all they play is down south shit and they local shit. In the clubs all they play is down south shit. Not to mention all the black colleges down there that supports the down south music. Open up your eyes. When these indy artists down south are doing 100,000 plus albums the majority of there sales come from blacks throught the whole southern region. U cant tell me that for example : Slim Thug sold a 100,000 with the Boss Hoggs, that 70'000-80,000 of his sales were from white people in the south since yall are saying that whites make up 70% of sales. U see were im going with this? i would say that number is reversed and that 70,000 of those units were from blacks from the south.
You and Daddy Rich both made some good points. I really cant say nothin aginst either one of yall, but it looks like we agree that the main problem is the over abundance of bullshit records that these fuck ups keep puttin out. I think if there was more quality albums comin out like back then there would be more people willin to take a chance on local records that they might not have heard cause they was willin to take a chance cause we had a real high rate of quality shit. And yall are right about the lack of exposure. It seems like Bay artists gotta really have some major clout these days just to get played on BET Uncut. I think if the right artists get promoted the right way you will see the area start to make a comeback but first these toy rappers gotta quit.
You can't pinpoint one factor as being the cause of lackluster Bay Area rap sales.....it's a combonation of a bunch....from the different mentality that the artists and fans have (compared to other regions), to the changes in musical preference that people today have
I love Bay Area rap and have been listening to it since my freshman year of high school. BUT I can't remember the last time that I bought a brand-new Bay Area rap album at full price...that didn't come out before the year 2000. I simply have been unable to adjust to this "new-style" of Bay Area rap. The beats, the lyrics....the Bay used to have a style all to our own but in my opinion, we have lost alot of what made our music successful and most importantly, unique. In my opinion, part of the reason is because too much time has been spent trying to emulate what's on the radio and the t.v. In most cases, a copy will never be as good as the original
I love Bay Area rap and have been listening to it since my freshman year of high school. BUT I can't remember the last time that I bought a brand-new Bay Area rap album at full price...that didn't come out before the year 2000. I simply have been unable to adjust to this "new-style" of Bay Area rap. The beats, the lyrics....the Bay used to have a style all to our own but in my opinion, we have lost alot of what made our music successful and most importantly, unique. In my opinion, part of the reason is because too much time has been spent trying to emulate what's on the radio and the t.v. In most cases, a copy will never be as good as the original
lol, so this is how the cycle of ignorance in america is continued. I've seen a lot of these why the bay this, and why the Bay that threads but this has to be the dumbest ever. And why hasn't anyone called this cat out on his rediculously false statistics? Atlanta having 1,188,000 black people? lmfao they dont even have 500,000 people in the whole city. Here are the real populations for these southern cities as of 2003.
Atlanta: Total Pop 369,393
Black Pop 219,551
Memphis: Total Pop 599,972
Black Pop 386,707
Houston: Total Pop 1,938,502
Black Pop 475,633
Dallas: Total Pop 1,206,667
Black Pop 274,740
New Orleans Total Pop 451,316
Black pop 303,305
Here are the REAL populations in these Bay cities:
Oakland: Total Pop 399,484
Black pop 142,460
SF: Total Pop 776,733
Black Pop 66,549
Richmond: Total Pop 102,318
Black Pop 37,852
Vallejo: Total Pop 118,760
Black Pop 32,892
Someone tell me why this cat compared all of the major metropolitan cities in the South and damn near the the US period to some average to small cities in the Bay?
That shit makes no sense at all. The southern cities you compared to bay cities size wise are not even close to being anywhere near the same scale. Making your post very inaccurate and pointless.
Bay artist sell very respectable numbers of independent albums. Mac Dre, Keak, San Quinn, Messy Marv, The Jacka, and The Team, all sell or have sold 30,000 albums consistently. And thats just in a small region like The Bay. You show me a AREA in the south (not the whole south, that not an even scale) like the Bay where a group artist are consistenly selling 30,000 albums INEPENDENTLY with no major backin, videos, or national radio play, and ill delete this post and never speak on it again. And when I mean independent i dont mean cash money, no limit, rap a lot, or any other indy wit a major distribution deal. If bay cats aint movin units independently why is it that cats from all over come to the bay to get they indy hustle on? Its because the indy market in the bay is the biggest in the nation. Anyone that knows about he music industry and what markets buy the most music knows that.
Fact of the matter is that there are many regions in america that aren't gettin the shine they deserve at the moment. But to say that the reason why the Bay aint gettin it is because there aren't enough Black people is absolutely false and very idiotic. The #1 consumer of rap music in america is white people so that leaves your theory with absolutely no basis and renders it pointless. And dont forget that there was a point in time (early 90's) when the Bay had a heavy presence nationally in hip hop and R&B, and there was nothin different demographically in the Bay back then from what it is right now.
lets please cease wit all these types of threads and leave our theories right where they start, in our heads. Bcuz makin threads about em isn't ever gonna change anything thats goin on in the Bay. 100
Atlanta: Total Pop 369,393
Black Pop 219,551
Memphis: Total Pop 599,972
Black Pop 386,707
Houston: Total Pop 1,938,502
Black Pop 475,633
Dallas: Total Pop 1,206,667
Black Pop 274,740
New Orleans Total Pop 451,316
Black pop 303,305
Here are the REAL populations in these Bay cities:
Oakland: Total Pop 399,484
Black pop 142,460
SF: Total Pop 776,733
Black Pop 66,549
Richmond: Total Pop 102,318
Black Pop 37,852
Vallejo: Total Pop 118,760
Black Pop 32,892
Someone tell me why this cat compared all of the major metropolitan cities in the South and damn near the the US period to some average to small cities in the Bay?
That shit makes no sense at all. The southern cities you compared to bay cities size wise are not even close to being anywhere near the same scale. Making your post very inaccurate and pointless.
Bay artist sell very respectable numbers of independent albums. Mac Dre, Keak, San Quinn, Messy Marv, The Jacka, and The Team, all sell or have sold 30,000 albums consistently. And thats just in a small region like The Bay. You show me a AREA in the south (not the whole south, that not an even scale) like the Bay where a group artist are consistenly selling 30,000 albums INEPENDENTLY with no major backin, videos, or national radio play, and ill delete this post and never speak on it again. And when I mean independent i dont mean cash money, no limit, rap a lot, or any other indy wit a major distribution deal. If bay cats aint movin units independently why is it that cats from all over come to the bay to get they indy hustle on? Its because the indy market in the bay is the biggest in the nation. Anyone that knows about he music industry and what markets buy the most music knows that.
Fact of the matter is that there are many regions in america that aren't gettin the shine they deserve at the moment. But to say that the reason why the Bay aint gettin it is because there aren't enough Black people is absolutely false and very idiotic. The #1 consumer of rap music in america is white people so that leaves your theory with absolutely no basis and renders it pointless. And dont forget that there was a point in time (early 90's) when the Bay had a heavy presence nationally in hip hop and R&B, and there was nothin different demographically in the Bay back then from what it is right now.
lets please cease wit all these types of threads and leave our theories right where they start, in our heads. Bcuz makin threads about em isn't ever gonna change anything thats goin on in the Bay. 100