a combination of tha south doin they own shit , with tha independant hustle, and tha bay having no creativity or identity, tha bay finally found a way to label itself with hyphy, some of it is borrowed from crunk....... before the hyphy period bay had its collar popping playa shit mixed in with LA's gangsta sound which the bay named "mob" music, bay probably wuz tha tightest in tha rap game in my opinion, nobody rap fuced with tha bay during that era, even tho LA invented that gangsta sound and mentality, bay rap and mob music took it to tha next level with all tha independant quality artists makin knock after knock, classic after classic, shit will never be repeated.......
Anybody remember what made the Bay lose the ball last time around ?
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I agree. The quality of the south's music was crispier. The beats were mastered better. If you was'nt spendin' thousands of dollaz on your mastering you didnt have a chance, plus pac dying did'nt help. Cali dominated the market for years since the release of the chronic in 92-- people were ready for a new sound anyway. Master p sold out here and down south- and DMX blew the fuck up. Now they ready for us again.
I like Metal Mouth, Demolition Men, and DJ Backside mixtapes. Those are real mixtapes with other artist's songs. Now when an artist realeases a mixtape before his album and he includes 1 or 2 songs from their unreleased album onto the mixtapes, it really hurt's the future release of their album(i.e. The Team........great album......too many songs were released too early). It's cool to do a mixtape with a couple of borrowed industry beatz, but to do a whole mixtape (i.e. ALLNDADOE 3,4,5 & a shit load of others) you're dumbin down your lyrics and people might loose interest. Now if a record label were to release a REAL mixtape with old and new material that their label released now i'm sure it would turn out way better than the mixtapes we here today(which aren't too original......especially when rappers have rhymed over Still Tippin, How we do, and Back then millions of times). Dj Ideal, DJ Skee, Cali Untouchable DJs, MM DJs, Demo. Men DJs, DJ Green Latern, and DJ Enuff make real mixtapes.....which are priced @ 6.99 or less(4.99 if you can find the right website)......which is money well spent considering that those djs know how to do mixtapes.
As for compilations.........i only buy from Black-N-Brown because that is the only label that makes compilations worth buying and listening to. I agree with what everyone has posted and you all have valid reasons. Pac was a factor, over saturated market with artist and worthless albums was another. But the fact is that the industry looks at a certain deomographic area and sees how much artist it can pull out of there(i.e. H-Town, ATL, Chi-town, Detroit, New Orleans and L.A.&Bay at one point). Now it's up to the people with a gift and/or talent to step up to the mic while the industry is peekin it's way over here.
I will say this though......the radio stations need to switch it up a bit and play non-hyphy songs.....because that's going to overshadow the other type of music and artist that the bay has to offer.
As for compilations.........i only buy from Black-N-Brown because that is the only label that makes compilations worth buying and listening to. I agree with what everyone has posted and you all have valid reasons. Pac was a factor, over saturated market with artist and worthless albums was another. But the fact is that the industry looks at a certain deomographic area and sees how much artist it can pull out of there(i.e. H-Town, ATL, Chi-town, Detroit, New Orleans and L.A.&Bay at one point). Now it's up to the people with a gift and/or talent to step up to the mic while the industry is peekin it's way over here.
I will say this though......the radio stations need to switch it up a bit and play non-hyphy songs.....because that's going to overshadow the other type of music and artist that the bay has to offer.
Ok...like in the mid-late 90's you had every nigga with some money tryin to get in the rap game cuz they watched P, 40, Black Market and others gettin money so everybody was on some "I can do it too" shit. Do you remember how thick Murder Dog use to be with ads and all that Pen and Pixel shit? You would see a bunch of off brand rappers from the Bay with features from 40, B-Legit, And so and so, but the albums were horrible. And KC mos def contributed to yall rise and fall because we had all our local artist payin yalls premeire artist but alot of those collabo's were wack. Thats what I mean by the public being fooled...MC Nobody feat. e-40, Lynch, The Click and so on. And when I say over-saturation...thats like having 6-7 d-houses on one block. And where is the record buying public when everybody raps or produces? All the fans are rappers now.
On industry standard 200,000 is nothing to brag about when you're on a major. 200k is superior independently, but not in the majors. 40 was doing 100K back in the day with no radio or video goin thru SMG. And dont get me wrong, those artist doin that 10k and 25k is real good, but you got cats down south doin 100-150k easily. The industry looks at that 200 in 6 weeks as an indication of where the album is going. If they start smashing then he MIGHT could go gold. Again, this aint attacking 40's music, but the company.
NObody is makin real albums, even still thats the problem.
For example dem hoodstarz dropped that grown man on, HOT song, could be a national hit. BUT, their album sucked ass sorry kids, that shit wasnt hot. so even if that song turned into a national hit, aint nobody gonna get their album. cuz there was maybe 3 hot joints on it. keak gets hits, but he doesnt drop real albums, he needs to get his game together. then theres all these artists makin albums then sellin them to make a quick buck, even jacka did a joint like that. south is making ALBUMS
For example dem hoodstarz dropped that grown man on, HOT song, could be a national hit. BUT, their album sucked ass sorry kids, that shit wasnt hot. so even if that song turned into a national hit, aint nobody gonna get their album. cuz there was maybe 3 hot joints on it. keak gets hits, but he doesnt drop real albums, he needs to get his game together. then theres all these artists makin albums then sellin them to make a quick buck, even jacka did a joint like that. south is making ALBUMS
mix tapes are cool and all but it seems a lot of people from the bay are confused on how to actually put a quality mix tape together a mix tape should not be remixed or recycled songs but should be new songs with some of the tightest artist spittin some of the tightest verses and they should not be marketed like a solo thats what keeps mix tapes underground for example some of lil waynes best songs and verses are on mix tapes but a lot of people dont relize it because it stays underground and not mainstream the way it should be another example is 50 cent I know everyone here doesnt care for 50 but the songs he was puttin out on mixtapes was real good. Another problem I see with the bay is its flooded with artist that are not all that good IMO when n-ridaz was up you can go and listen to all the albums on there and IMO maybe half had some good quality which hurts sells for the bay back in the
90's if a bay album came out a lot of the time you didnt even have to listen to it because most the time it was gonna be good but not now.
thats just MO and I am not an artist just a fan.
90's if a bay album came out a lot of the time you didnt even have to listen to it because most the time it was gonna be good but not now.
thats just MO and I am not an artist just a fan.
Im not sure what killed the bay but on the real fuck mixtapes. Only mixtapes I like are the DJ ones and I might be biased but putting out a mixtape is fuckin lazy by the artist. All they gotta do is find a bunch of hot beats that are already made and mastered for them and then lay their vocals and mix it down. It's about a third or maybe less of the work involved in making an actual album. I don't mind if rappers put out mixtapes here and there but most rappers from the bay be putting out 3+ mixtapes before their next album. That is fuckin wack.
And if you gonna make a mixtape with just one artist/camp on it then pay a fuckin DJ to blend it or get somebody to host it. You are killin the definition of a mixtape if you don't.
And if you gonna make a mixtape with just one artist/camp on it then pay a fuckin DJ to blend it or get somebody to host it. You are killin the definition of a mixtape if you don't.
Everyone was cashing out on Repping the westcoast vibe..they didnt innovate the sound...they milked that gangsta shit til it was dry...now that we got the hyphy sound shit is getting innovative..thats how the south blew up...people was looking for something new...even though master p got his game from da bay
A lot of reasons...everything has a cycle too.
Watch the United Ghettos--Yuk Mouth and peep out what B-Legit has too say, he hits it on the nail.
Mom and Pop record stores = gone. With the rare exception of Moses on 90th and EST 14th street how many in S.F? Vallejo? Richmond? exactly
Infighting amongst artists I aint even going to go there. Just remember Summer Jam some years ago.
Lack of good quality videos
Some one else mentioned In A Minute records, and other liasions of that nature, you need to have people who have the ear of the majors, media and other resources
The bay being perceived as aggressive and flamboyant...Remember when they had the award show and 50 was being inducted by the main pimps Snoop, but where did the game come from?
Then you have scenarios such as Game and JT we really dont know what happened, then others sooooo...
Basically it is time for the artists and fans to step up and bring back the economics too the bay.
Watch the United Ghettos--Yuk Mouth and peep out what B-Legit has too say, he hits it on the nail.
Mom and Pop record stores = gone. With the rare exception of Moses on 90th and EST 14th street how many in S.F? Vallejo? Richmond? exactly
Infighting amongst artists I aint even going to go there. Just remember Summer Jam some years ago.
Lack of good quality videos
Some one else mentioned In A Minute records, and other liasions of that nature, you need to have people who have the ear of the majors, media and other resources
The bay being perceived as aggressive and flamboyant...Remember when they had the award show and 50 was being inducted by the main pimps Snoop, but where did the game come from?
Then you have scenarios such as Game and JT we really dont know what happened, then others sooooo...
Basically it is time for the artists and fans to step up and bring back the economics too the bay.