Any Atheists? And why?
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The thing people fail to grasp in creationism theology is that the concept of beginning and end and concept of time is something that we mere animals have come up with... in reality nothing is ever created and nothing ever ceases to exist... nothing ever ends and nothing ever begins... when we die, when we reproduce, when we kill other animals for food... all thats happening is a rearranging/recycling of matter... understand this simple law in science and it is more than apparent that a creator is the ultimate "beginning" factor to the false human concept of beginning and end.
Now how more fookin simple could it be?
Now how more fookin simple could it be?
I understand that there are different funtions in the brain that all congeal together to produce emtions/feelings. However no one on this site or in the scientific community can point to the source of the creativity which binds all emotions and feelings. You and I know that we all experience this unknown source of creativity and quality everyday. This cannot be denied. Therefore by fault you and I have faith that this un known source of quality is essential that dictates our lives. Yet science turns the other cheek and has yet to coral this mysterious source of creativity. Yet it points to the mysterys of religion and God as hog wash. I personally do not see the
Ask a rapper or any poet where he or she gets their lyrics or lines, or a athlete the ability to react and perform as they do. Not a scientific experiment. No single scientist can create from their scientific lab a perfect song, athlete or book. So my argument is that the creativity of artists, movie writers, song writiers, poets etc. all pull creativity from an mysterious source. Science is crippled because it has yet to find to calculate this source of creativity, or quality, yet we all know it exists.
I also wish to add to what I said earlier, the "devil" or Satan are critical players in this mysterious force of creation, creativity.
Ask a rapper or any poet where he or she gets their lyrics or lines, or a athlete the ability to react and perform as they do. Not a scientific experiment. No single scientist can create from their scientific lab a perfect song, athlete or book. So my argument is that the creativity of artists, movie writers, song writiers, poets etc. all pull creativity from an mysterious source. Science is crippled because it has yet to find to calculate this source of creativity, or quality, yet we all know it exists.
I also wish to add to what I said earlier, the "devil" or Satan are critical players in this mysterious force of creation, creativity.
Sorry, I missed your reply. To pick from these definitions, number one would be the closest to my own concept of spirituality. To define spirituality, I would say knowledge, a connection to, an understanding of, that which is beyond physical/sensory perception, tangibility.
So everything physical has an explanation, and metaphysical energy doesn't exist? "Everything that actually exists", meaning anything your mind percieves through sensory perception? What is responsible for your imagination? Envisioning what you have never seen. Could you please help me out by explaing how feelings are material? I don't understand.
Science has a range of definitions used to explain and shape experiences. Science is formula based, mathematical, (as far as i know) and explicates so. Example: science says that feelings are chemical reactions and electrical impulses throughout your body and brain. But this is only one point of view, and science ONLY goes this far.
You really have no idea or concept? Not so much as a guess?
So everything physical has an explanation, and metaphysical energy doesn't exist? "Everything that actually exists", meaning anything your mind percieves through sensory perception? What is responsible for your imagination? Envisioning what you have never seen. Could you please help me out by explaing how feelings are material? I don't understand.
Science has a range of definitions used to explain and shape experiences. Science is formula based, mathematical, (as far as i know) and explicates so. Example: science says that feelings are chemical reactions and electrical impulses throughout your body and brain. But this is only one point of view, and science ONLY goes this far.
You really have no idea or concept? Not so much as a guess?
Agreed, there is much controversy over the psychology of decision-making and creativity of humans. Science however doesn't turn the other cheek and ignore this, but yes I agree science is undecided on the supposedly mysterious subject. Infact a large range of contradicting and unproven theories attribute to the subject of PSYCHOLOGY.
i dont kow about it being scientifically proven...can you provide me with a link?
i'm not really sure what the following preview of nova is implying ... but i just fine it fasinating that scienctists are now trying to create life out of nothing
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3214/prev-video.html
that episode of nova is going to be shown tomorrow (10-17)
so are the creators of this new life form humans or God?
i'm not really sure what the following preview of nova is implying ... but i just fine it fasinating that scienctists are now trying to create life out of nothing
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3214/prev-video.html
that episode of nova is going to be shown tomorrow (10-17)
so are the creators of this new life form humans or God?
And that's the fundamental difference between the religious perspective and scientific perspective. Religion is based on FAITH and blindly believing in that which cannot be proven, whereas science is based on logically proving or disproving something. So as long as someone is firmly grounded in faith this argument will continue to go round in circles.
Well I’m not going to get on your case if you’re pulling that many hours and have limited time. Myself, I’m at work and have tons of time to play on the internet. But, with that being said, you know these topics can never stay simple.
There were actually two statements:
1. If this is true then the universe has always existed.
2. If this is true and you believe in god, then something must have created god and something created that and so on and so forth.
So do you agree with the universe has always existed or am I correct when I assume you’re only referring to the 2nd statement? If only the latter how can you so easily dismiss the former?
So what god are you talking about then? If you don’t want to discuss the biblical god, then where does your knowledge of this god come from?
That’s the problem with so many theists. They claim they know their god, but as soon as questions arise they distance themselves from the very god they originally claimed to know in the first place! Basically they become agnostic when under attack.
Comrade, are you telling me that you believe there is an infinite amount of gods or do you believe there is one god?
[ [ Wait a second, you’re contradicting yourself. On one hand you’re saying that “something cannot come from nothing” but on the other hand you’re saying that there is an infinite amount of gods responsible for each other? How can that be if “something cannot come from nothing?”
Yes, it’s completely relevant. If something cannot come from nothing then where did god come from? Can you see now where your logic is faulty?
And who created that god if something cannot come from nothing?
Again, your logic does not compute.
My previous statements stay completely intact.
“Something must have created god and something created that and so on and so forth.
Simple logic.
You can’t say something cannot come out of nothing, suggest a creator is responsible and then not suggest something created it. That, comrade, is what we refer to as being illogical.
If something can't come from nothing, then the very fact that there is something means that there couldn't have once been nothing.”
There were actually two statements:
1. If this is true then the universe has always existed.
2. If this is true and you believe in god, then something must have created god and something created that and so on and so forth.
So do you agree with the universe has always existed or am I correct when I assume you’re only referring to the 2nd statement? If only the latter how can you so easily dismiss the former?
So what god are you talking about then? If you don’t want to discuss the biblical god, then where does your knowledge of this god come from?
That’s the problem with so many theists. They claim they know their god, but as soon as questions arise they distance themselves from the very god they originally claimed to know in the first place! Basically they become agnostic when under attack.
Comrade, are you telling me that you believe there is an infinite amount of gods or do you believe there is one god?
[ [ Wait a second, you’re contradicting yourself. On one hand you’re saying that “something cannot come from nothing” but on the other hand you’re saying that there is an infinite amount of gods responsible for each other? How can that be if “something cannot come from nothing?”
Yes, it’s completely relevant. If something cannot come from nothing then where did god come from? Can you see now where your logic is faulty?
And who created that god if something cannot come from nothing?
Again, your logic does not compute.
My previous statements stay completely intact.
“Something must have created god and something created that and so on and so forth.
Simple logic.
You can’t say something cannot come out of nothing, suggest a creator is responsible and then not suggest something created it. That, comrade, is what we refer to as being illogical.
If something can't come from nothing, then the very fact that there is something means that there couldn't have once been nothing.”
No problemo comrade.
Um, ok. (This still doesn’t clear much up.)
Correct- everything material has an explanation and metaphysical energy does not exist (energy is material).
All animal and human thought processes are nothing more than electrical impulses and stimulation within the brain.
As in Déjà Vu or psychics or what exactly are you talking about here? As for Déjà Vu, there are a number of scientific studies that offer scientific explanations, I can provide links if you’d like, as for psychics, there is no proof that they exist. But again, I’m not exactly sure what you’re talking about so you may need to clarify for me.
Sure. Different regions and chemicals in our brains control different emotions that we feel. These emotions are instinctive and necessary for our survival.
One example that comes to mind is if someone went to the doctor to treat depression, the doctor may prescribe chemical substances to control the depression. Now depression is “characterized trough a low neuronic activity due to the absence of a substance or substances, such as, for example, serotonina.” That’s were the prescription comes in and is able to create a balance.
Scientists have long understood the chemistry to our sentiments, but unfortunately the public knows very little. (There are tons of books and articles online that you can read that go into detail about chemic reactions and neurons and axons etc. that are responsible for our emotions and feelings far better than I ever will be able to).
Love and affection are instinctive in humans. Humans are born pretty vulnerable and defenseless. It’s vital that the family or at least a parent or parents stay with the newborn. It’s survival. Aggression and fear are also survival instincts (we need fear in order to want to avoid death and injury).
If you’d like, I can provide you some links that go into details. Just let me know.
I don’t understand why you say it’s only one POV. The study of chemical reactions within your brain is a science itself. It’s proven facts that these chemicals and neurons and electrical impulses exist and are responsible for human emotion. There have been thousands upon thousands of tests that can verify this.
Honestly bro I don’t. I cannot comprehend anything that could exist outside of the material world. It doesn’t make any sense.
Um, ok. (This still doesn’t clear much up.)
Correct- everything material has an explanation and metaphysical energy does not exist (energy is material).
All animal and human thought processes are nothing more than electrical impulses and stimulation within the brain.
As in Déjà Vu or psychics or what exactly are you talking about here? As for Déjà Vu, there are a number of scientific studies that offer scientific explanations, I can provide links if you’d like, as for psychics, there is no proof that they exist. But again, I’m not exactly sure what you’re talking about so you may need to clarify for me.
Sure. Different regions and chemicals in our brains control different emotions that we feel. These emotions are instinctive and necessary for our survival.
One example that comes to mind is if someone went to the doctor to treat depression, the doctor may prescribe chemical substances to control the depression. Now depression is “characterized trough a low neuronic activity due to the absence of a substance or substances, such as, for example, serotonina.” That’s were the prescription comes in and is able to create a balance.
Scientists have long understood the chemistry to our sentiments, but unfortunately the public knows very little. (There are tons of books and articles online that you can read that go into detail about chemic reactions and neurons and axons etc. that are responsible for our emotions and feelings far better than I ever will be able to).
Love and affection are instinctive in humans. Humans are born pretty vulnerable and defenseless. It’s vital that the family or at least a parent or parents stay with the newborn. It’s survival. Aggression and fear are also survival instincts (we need fear in order to want to avoid death and injury).
If you’d like, I can provide you some links that go into details. Just let me know.
I don’t understand why you say it’s only one POV. The study of chemical reactions within your brain is a science itself. It’s proven facts that these chemicals and neurons and electrical impulses exist and are responsible for human emotion. There have been thousands upon thousands of tests that can verify this.
Honestly bro I don’t. I cannot comprehend anything that could exist outside of the material world. It doesn’t make any sense.
^^ you have completley expalined exactly how i feel. i think religion is good for one reason, it makes people feel better about themsleves. other than that, like you said everything is logic. if you havent seen, heard, smell'd, tasted, or touched god, then how could you possibly believe in him. it makes no sense.