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I responded to this over the course of a couple days this past weekend. Went to post and it said session had expired and cleared everything for me.
Ill give it another shot....
How could someone be responsible for something they did not choose? You are saying that if a mother smokes crack while carrying a fetus then the baby is responsible for being a crack addict.
You are saying that if a mom is domestically abused during a pregnancy, that it is the baby's responsibility for taking in all the cortisol from her placenta.
You speak of exceptions but the influences of these exceptions (crack baby) are the norm when you look all the epigenetic factors that play out in one's life.
Placental FKBP5 Genetic and Epigenetic Variation Is Associated with Infant Neurobehavioral Outcomes in the RICHS Cohort
Certainly, there is the appearance that each 'individual' is in control of their behavior, which I disagree with, but you keep saying in control of their human nature. Isn't human nature something that you just showed up as? Did you choose to be a human, walking on two legs, eating certain types of food, needing sustenance in specific forms, etc?
Maybe you are talking about human behavior. If you are, let me know so we can hone in on this notion that "man" is a "doer".
Do you realize that the capacity and form of any learned behavior is dependent on the nature of the thing that is doing the learning? If you throw a football at a fish, will it score a touch down?
You can see human nature, as with the nature of every species, as a scaffolding for learned behavior. What comes in, and in what form, and with what impact it has, are all already decided upon given the nature of the thing. This, my friend, is 'learned behavior' to its lowest degree.
Now would you like to discuss learned behavior from a social standpoint, as the collective, from a social animal perspective, also part of human nature??
The capacity which we can rationalize with comes with the box of options that we showed up in.
The manner in which we rationalize something is also predicated upon this box of options.
There is absolutely a lot of chance and accidents that go into making someone successful or a failure and none of it is under their control.
A child from a shitty background may never have within him the capacity to rationalize how he can one day become president or why he should believe he is capable or even deserving.
I am not trying to tell you to imagine scenarios that only make my points valid. I am asking you to pay attention to these things in your day to day life and you will see that people are under the Law of Accidents.
lol if it is not natural then how could it exist, dude?
Did they create this capacity themselves? Can they create a capacity that doesn't currently exist?
If you would like to give me specific examples of the exercising of free will, I would be more than happy to break down every single god damned accidental event that has gone into making it happen.
So you think you and your family and friends are representatives of human nature and are exercising free will, but not those psychopathic 'few'.
This is all human (ape) nature, and nobody is exercising free will.
I think once you understand that you are not doing the thinking in your head and can stand as an outsider to the function which that thinking is serving (survival), then you can truly observe man as the ape that he is.
But you, as anticipated by nature, are 'thought' into existence through these thoughts. The thoughts come first and they include the "I". And the thinking is a function of the brain organ, serving the function of survival.
Now this is a very hard thing to grasp, hard, as in unwanted. The identity of an individual is based on a subject/object relationship of his identifications.
So if I tell you that you don't exist, you can't help but feel all the things you identified with as 'me' or 'mine' will also be thrown into question. "but what about my big bank account? and my family? this just has to be real!" (Bill Hicks)
Man as a collective is not meant to comprehend this shit or even meant to want to comprehend this shit. He is meant to look away from this reality of his true nature.
He is meant to believe that he is behaving like an ant on his own free accord!
So the important question is "What is the nature of Human Nature?"... I mean.. what are we, really?
Care to guess?
Ill give it another shot....
How could someone be responsible for something they did not choose? You are saying that if a mother smokes crack while carrying a fetus then the baby is responsible for being a crack addict.
You are saying that if a mom is domestically abused during a pregnancy, that it is the baby's responsibility for taking in all the cortisol from her placenta.
You speak of exceptions but the influences of these exceptions (crack baby) are the norm when you look all the epigenetic factors that play out in one's life.
Placental FKBP5 Genetic and Epigenetic Variation Is Associated with Infant Neurobehavioral Outcomes in the RICHS Cohort
Certainly, there is the appearance that each 'individual' is in control of their behavior, which I disagree with, but you keep saying in control of their human nature. Isn't human nature something that you just showed up as? Did you choose to be a human, walking on two legs, eating certain types of food, needing sustenance in specific forms, etc?
Maybe you are talking about human behavior. If you are, let me know so we can hone in on this notion that "man" is a "doer".
Do you realize that the capacity and form of any learned behavior is dependent on the nature of the thing that is doing the learning? If you throw a football at a fish, will it score a touch down?
You can see human nature, as with the nature of every species, as a scaffolding for learned behavior. What comes in, and in what form, and with what impact it has, are all already decided upon given the nature of the thing. This, my friend, is 'learned behavior' to its lowest degree.
Now would you like to discuss learned behavior from a social standpoint, as the collective, from a social animal perspective, also part of human nature??
The capacity which we can rationalize with comes with the box of options that we showed up in.
The manner in which we rationalize something is also predicated upon this box of options.
There is absolutely a lot of chance and accidents that go into making someone successful or a failure and none of it is under their control.
A child from a shitty background may never have within him the capacity to rationalize how he can one day become president or why he should believe he is capable or even deserving.
I am not trying to tell you to imagine scenarios that only make my points valid. I am asking you to pay attention to these things in your day to day life and you will see that people are under the Law of Accidents.
lol if it is not natural then how could it exist, dude?
Did they create this capacity themselves? Can they create a capacity that doesn't currently exist?
If you would like to give me specific examples of the exercising of free will, I would be more than happy to break down every single god damned accidental event that has gone into making it happen.
I build you don't go around murdering people because their skin is lighter or darker than yours or they are from 4000 miles away and don't reside on your cross street. Greed and control are what drive that. 99% of us don't aspire to live like that, therefore it cannot be accepted as human nature due to a disgusting psychopathic few. We are not dogs, there is no need to war over the size of our yards. Unlike dogs we have the capability to move beyond that, it's just that the ill refuse it and we choose to let the ill decide it (and that's the Siccness). 
By the way the Ill peoples battle is a battle for resources- all wars are economic wars. While the profane (non-initiated common folk) fight over who likes what girl or you cursed at who, they are fighting over real possessions- finite resources that are necessary for all human survival. They teach us in schools that we have to share our own, don't bring any if you can't bring enough for everybody- while their plan is take everything at all costs. They are not us and can never be us.
Before you reply thinking I am assuming I know how you think, I dont- these are my thoughts.
By the way the Ill peoples battle is a battle for resources- all wars are economic wars. While the profane (non-initiated common folk) fight over who likes what girl or you cursed at who, they are fighting over real possessions- finite resources that are necessary for all human survival. They teach us in schools that we have to share our own, don't bring any if you can't bring enough for everybody- while their plan is take everything at all costs. They are not us and can never be us.
Before you reply thinking I am assuming I know how you think, I dont- these are my thoughts.
This is all human (ape) nature, and nobody is exercising free will.
I think once you understand that you are not doing the thinking in your head and can stand as an outsider to the function which that thinking is serving (survival), then you can truly observe man as the ape that he is.
But you, as anticipated by nature, are 'thought' into existence through these thoughts. The thoughts come first and they include the "I". And the thinking is a function of the brain organ, serving the function of survival.
Now this is a very hard thing to grasp, hard, as in unwanted. The identity of an individual is based on a subject/object relationship of his identifications.
So if I tell you that you don't exist, you can't help but feel all the things you identified with as 'me' or 'mine' will also be thrown into question. "but what about my big bank account? and my family? this just has to be real!" (Bill Hicks)
Man as a collective is not meant to comprehend this shit or even meant to want to comprehend this shit. He is meant to look away from this reality of his true nature.
He is meant to believe that he is behaving like an ant on his own free accord!
So the important question is "What is the nature of Human Nature?"... I mean.. what are we, really?
Care to guess?
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That's wrong, in Torah it has ALWAYS been through the Fathers side. Thats why that prophecy of the messiah coming from the tribe of Judah meant someone from judahs loins was to be the messiah. Not from any of the wives. Everything is backwards with JewIsh people.
Numbers 1:18
And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their FATHERS, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.
Numbers 1:18
And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their FATHERS, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.
ISRAEL was divided in 2 kingdoms. The northern was 10 tribes and the southern was Judah and Benjamin. When they were being persecuted they left. If you are being killed according to how you look you want to mix with people who look like you, right? And lose the trail. Wonder why the southern kingdom left to Land of Ham AKA AFRICA. this is the other 10 tribes and what happened with them.
2 Esdras 13:40
40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land. 41 But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where NEVER mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country THERE WAS A GREAT WAY TO GO, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called ARSARETH. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, 47 The Highest shall stay the springs of the stream again, that they may go through: therefore sawest thou the multitude with peace. 48 But those that be left behind of thy people are they that are found within my borders.
Arsareth is AMERICA. Show me where White people where here before the Incans, Aztecs, Mayans Toltecas, West Indians and all indigenous tribes.. Because according to that scripture whoever was here first were ISRAELITES.
2 Esdras 13:40
40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land. 41 But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where NEVER mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country THERE WAS A GREAT WAY TO GO, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called ARSARETH. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, 47 The Highest shall stay the springs of the stream again, that they may go through: therefore sawest thou the multitude with peace. 48 But those that be left behind of thy people are they that are found within my borders.
Arsareth is AMERICA. Show me where White people where here before the Incans, Aztecs, Mayans Toltecas, West Indians and all indigenous tribes.. Because according to that scripture whoever was here first were ISRAELITES.
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First, know what a Jew is. Its someone from the Kingdom of Judah. Are all Israelites Jews? No. There are 12 tribes all which are traced back to the 12 patriarchs, the fathers of each tribe.
Its based on ONLY who your DAD is. If your dad is white and your mom black. You are white according to Torah. That's why each of the fathers of the 12 tribes married a woman who wasn't an israelite, they were supposed to inherrit land that wasnt there's. If it was based on the mom, the lineage would have been lost the first generation. Know who your dad is, who his dad is and so forth.
Nationality was always based on WHO you descend from, not WHERE. Greeks did that to the Jews. Told them not to identify as Jews while under captivity so what did they identify as? Greek.
2 maccabee 6
Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.
Its based on ONLY who your DAD is. If your dad is white and your mom black. You are white according to Torah. That's why each of the fathers of the 12 tribes married a woman who wasn't an israelite, they were supposed to inherrit land that wasnt there's. If it was based on the mom, the lineage would have been lost the first generation. Know who your dad is, who his dad is and so forth.
Nationality was always based on WHO you descend from, not WHERE. Greeks did that to the Jews. Told them not to identify as Jews while under captivity so what did they identify as? Greek.
2 maccabee 6
Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.
Sidenote* that's why Paul in his letters wrote to the cities, and didnt say straight forward: for the Jews in Rome. He says Romans only, or Colossians, Galatians; they werent aloud to identify as so.
Sidenote on the sidenote* lmao
Paul was confused with an Egyptian, how? If he's "white" 😂
Acts 21:38
Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
Sidenote on the sidenote* lmao
Paul was confused with an Egyptian, how? If he's "white" 😂
Acts 21:38
Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
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Luke 2:4-5 (KJV) And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; because he was of the house and lineage of DAVID:
To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
Again, through the FATHERS side. Why didnt they go to Marys side?
To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
Again, through the FATHERS side. Why didnt they go to Marys side?
What claims are you making tho? There isn't any bible verses to even back up that claim and I gave you one.
Ill take the reference they give saying Ruth was an israelite. They didn't even go into it and say she was a slave to begin with lol
Ruth 4.10
Ruth 4:10 (KJV) Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I PURCHASED to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.
So she was purchased? What's the law for a bondswoman being purchased?
Leviticus 25 44
Leviticus 25:43-44 (KJV) Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God.
Both thy bondmen, and thy BONDSMAIDS, which thou shalt have, shall be of the HEATHEN that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Only time you see a woman physically give birth and the baby not be called here is when she's a concubine. Which ruth, is.
Ruth 4:16-17 (KJV) And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it.
And the women her neighbours gave it a name, saying, There is a son BORN TO NAOMI; and they called his name Obed: he is the FATHER of Jesse, the FATHER of David.
Back track to when Jacob and Rachael cant have babies what happens? The concubine has the kids.
Ruths case, she was the handmade to Naomi. She was pretty much a surragate mother, she was a heathen and didnt have "rights" to her kid.
How can you prove that? Same case with Jacob.
Genesis 30:3 (KJV) And she said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may ALSO have children BY her.
The same word is used for Buy in the Hebrew as it is in Ruth and Leviticus. Ruth was a medium for Naomi and Therefor not even an israelite. She was a HEATHEN and HAD to be in order for that to even work.
What other wiki links you got.
Ill take the reference they give saying Ruth was an israelite. They didn't even go into it and say she was a slave to begin with lol
Ruth 4.10
Ruth 4:10 (KJV) Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I PURCHASED to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.
So she was purchased? What's the law for a bondswoman being purchased?
Leviticus 25 44
Leviticus 25:43-44 (KJV) Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God.
Both thy bondmen, and thy BONDSMAIDS, which thou shalt have, shall be of the HEATHEN that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Only time you see a woman physically give birth and the baby not be called here is when she's a concubine. Which ruth, is.
Ruth 4:16-17 (KJV) And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it.
And the women her neighbours gave it a name, saying, There is a son BORN TO NAOMI; and they called his name Obed: he is the FATHER of Jesse, the FATHER of David.
Back track to when Jacob and Rachael cant have babies what happens? The concubine has the kids.
Ruths case, she was the handmade to Naomi. She was pretty much a surragate mother, she was a heathen and didnt have "rights" to her kid.
How can you prove that? Same case with Jacob.
Genesis 30:3 (KJV) And she said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may ALSO have children BY her.
The same word is used for Buy in the Hebrew as it is in Ruth and Leviticus. Ruth was a medium for Naomi and Therefor not even an israelite. She was a HEATHEN and HAD to be in order for that to even work.
What other wiki links you got.
The book of Ruth is a PART of the book of judges. It says so right in the beginning.
Ruth 1:1 (KJV) Now IT CAME TO PASS IN THE DAYS when the JUDGES ruled, that there was a famine in the land. And a certain man of Beth-lehem-judah went to sojourn in the country of Moab, he, and his wife, and his two sons.
its a continuation of JUDGES.
A heathen never would have a book in the bible.
I wonder what doctrine they trird to push isolating Ruth when its a part of judges... Cough cough
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Why else would Ruth say.
Ruth 1:10 (KJV) And they said unto her, Surely we will return with thee unto THY people.
not OUR people lol that doesnt even sound right.
Ruth 1:1 (KJV) Now IT CAME TO PASS IN THE DAYS when the JUDGES ruled, that there was a famine in the land. And a certain man of Beth-lehem-judah went to sojourn in the country of Moab, he, and his wife, and his two sons.
its a continuation of JUDGES.
A heathen never would have a book in the bible.
I wonder what doctrine they trird to push isolating Ruth when its a part of judges... Cough cough
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Why else would Ruth say.
Ruth 1:10 (KJV) And they said unto her, Surely we will return with thee unto THY people.
not OUR people lol that doesnt even sound right.
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I see what you are trying to say. I'm just clarifying what the Torah actually says pertaining your lineage.
Most "jews" were all Russian converts either way. If you look at the disbursment of israel nobody moved north. So how are their jews north? The remaining jews all moved south.
Ever hear this quote by the second president of Egypt?
George Friedmann in his book, The End of the Jewish People, pointedly states that the Europeans claiming to be Jews, are nothing more then "Hebrew speaking Gentiles." The late president of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser, stated on television, "you (the Jews) will never be able to live here in peace, because you left here black but came back white. We cannot except you!
Most "jews" were all Russian converts either way. If you look at the disbursment of israel nobody moved north. So how are their jews north? The remaining jews all moved south.
Ever hear this quote by the second president of Egypt?
George Friedmann in his book, The End of the Jewish People, pointedly states that the Europeans claiming to be Jews, are nothing more then "Hebrew speaking Gentiles." The late president of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser, stated on television, "you (the Jews) will never be able to live here in peace, because you left here black but came back white. We cannot except you!
Quote from 1980 The Nazis World War 2 Robert Edwin.
For if the Americans wins the war, they will conquer the world and forever be a slave to the Jews and they will try to conquer God. Do you know who America has in it’s possessions? “NO,” the solider replied.
The Americans have the jewels of God. The Americans have stolen God’s precious jewels. “What do you mean his precocious jewels?” THE SOLDIER asked. Hitler said, “America has stolen the Jews. The Jews of God. His jewelry. The Negroes.They are the true Hebrews. What a foolish move and a direct challenge to God. And they plan on moving these false white Jews into a state of Israel. America is desperate in it’s attempt to win this war using atom bombs on Japan. America will destroy the whole world in it’s attempt to conquer it.
When America its Jewish Slave masters conquer the world and the world realize I was right, then all the nations will begin a third world war to dethrone America of it’s rule. Every nation will soon posses atom bombs of their own. It will be the end of the world as we know it.
For if the Americans wins the war, they will conquer the world and forever be a slave to the Jews and they will try to conquer God. Do you know who America has in it’s possessions? “NO,” the solider replied.
The Americans have the jewels of God. The Americans have stolen God’s precious jewels. “What do you mean his precocious jewels?” THE SOLDIER asked. Hitler said, “America has stolen the Jews. The Jews of God. His jewelry. The Negroes.They are the true Hebrews. What a foolish move and a direct challenge to God. And they plan on moving these false white Jews into a state of Israel. America is desperate in it’s attempt to win this war using atom bombs on Japan. America will destroy the whole world in it’s attempt to conquer it.
When America its Jewish Slave masters conquer the world and the world realize I was right, then all the nations will begin a third world war to dethrone America of it’s rule. Every nation will soon posses atom bombs of their own. It will be the end of the world as we know it.