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Apr 25, 2002
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@YoungMoe

There ain't anything negative about what I said at all. What I said is just the truth and if you are going to get sensative about the truth then maybe you're better off going to the sesame street forum instead.

I hear all this stupid shit all the time like 'Andre Nickatina is the tightest rapper ever' or 'Woodie is the tightest rapper ever' or whoever man. All I'm saying is....okay, now prove it to me and the rest of the world or calm down all that male cheerleading.

A few last things... There is not some kind of hidden agenda in place to keep your favorite bay area rapper from blowing up and for the millionth time, I'm not Funk, Redwine or Gardner.

For the books, 40 is one of my favorite rappers.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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B-Legit said:

"There's no greater one-two combo than me and him." in Murder Dog Vol. 9 #4.

I don't agree with B-Legit there either... Maybe they were the best in Cali at one time, or several times, but not when he said it... I don't think them two are tighter than The Luniz right now... Or Jay Tee & Baby Beesh... And that's just Cali.

They also quote Master P, Snoop Dogg, Mannie Fresh, and Khia.
 
Dec 27, 2002
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I hear all this stupid shit all the time like 'Andre Nickatina is the tightest rapper ever' or 'Woodie is the tightest rapper ever' or whoever man. All I'm saying is....okay, now prove it to me and the rest of the world or calm down all that male cheerleading.
What is "stupid" about having an opinion as to who one's favorite artist is?

The stupidity is in your request that someone somehow "prove" it to you and the rest of the world. Someone being considered "tight" or "the best" is a subjective notion. Do you equate QUALITY with POPULARITY? Because if not it is simply ridiculous for you to talk shit about people's opinions on who is tight when your opinion is no more valid than theirs.

I don't know who your favorites are, but I guarantee that if you attempted to "prove" to somebody who disagreed with you that they were in fact the "tightest", you would not accomplish that mission.

If I tell you that "Blazing Saddles" is the funniest movie ever, and you disagree and say that "Freddie got fingered" is the funniest movie, exactly *HOW* can either of us "prove" to the other that we are correct?
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Who said having an opinion is stupid? Nobody that I've noticed. All I said was prove it to me. What do you think happens every time new music comes out? It's the moment of truth. Has your work proven itself worthy of a sale. What do you think the name of the game in business is? It's convincing people your work is hot. Proving yourself. There's nothing to debate about that. And you think the only stupidity is in my request "that someone somehow prove" it to me... You're missin'.

Now, you want to know how to prove you're tight? Put something in my hand that's undeniable. Take Dr. Dre for example. A lot of cats call him a faggot and whatever but they also praise his work because it's undeniable. How do you think people become highly acclaimed in their field?

About quality versus popularity. Whether you like the music or not and want to admit it or not, most popular music *IS* quality work. Chances are its popular because it earned that title. The millions and millions of people who buy the music arn't fuckin' fooled every single time an N'Sync album comes out. Or every time a Britney Spears album comes out. Or whoever else is popular man. Do I "equate QUALITY with POPULARITY"? Of course not and for the record, I'm one of the biggest critics around.

And lastly, don't be so sensative about peoples opinions. Whether or not someone is tight/wack in my, yours or anyone elses eyes, isn't an issue of right or wrong.
 
Dec 27, 2002
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"Who said having an opinion is stupid? Nobody that I've noticed."

Yet 1 post prior you said:

"I hear all this stupid shit all the time like 'Andre Nickatina is the tightest rapper ever' or 'Woodie is the tightest rapper ever' or whoever man."

Now what exactly is *stupid* about hearing the opinions you just used?

Are they *stupid* opinions because SWI doesn't agree that Nicky or Woodie is the tightest? Or are they *stupid* opinions because Nicky and Woodie have not sold "X" amount of records, therefore they CAN'T be the tightest? What makes what you have heard *stupid*?

"Now, you want to know how to prove you're tight? Put something in my hand that's undeniable. Take Dr. Dre for example. A lot of cats call him a faggot and whatever but they also praise his work because it's undeniable. How do you think people become highly acclaimed in their field?"

I agree, but "undeniable" is still a subjective word because believe it or not, there ARE people who *do not* consider Dre's shit to be "undeniable". Apart from the little shit talking clowns, there are people who honestly just don't DIG his music.

As far as the majority of popular music being quality, I disagree. Most popular music is far from being quality, what it is is easily DIGESTABLE to the fickle, impressionable, TREND-FOLLOWING lemmings. Ja Rule and Ashanti are NOT quality, and that is "undeniable".

Do you really think Britney or N'Sync sells X times platinum because their music is "undeniable"? Or does it maybe have something to do with the MILLIONS of teens and pre-teens (mostly girls) who are infatuated with their IMAGE and omnipresence on mtv?

"And lastly, don't be so sensative about peoples opinions. Whether or not someone is tight/wack in my, yours or anyone elses eyes, isn't an issue of right or wrong."

Trust me, I'm less than sensitive about anyone's opinion. All I was saying is that QUALITY is a subjective notion. Since it is subjective, it is left to individual opinion. And if quality is determined by opinion, I am curious what makes you say that someone's opinion that "Nicky is the tightest", or "Woodie is the tightest", is stupid?
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Vyasadeva said:
Now what exactly is *stupid* about hearing the opinions you just used?

Are they *stupid* opinions because SWI doesn't agree that Nicky or Woodie is the tightest? Or are they *stupid* opinions because Nicky and Woodie have not sold "X" amount of records, therefore they CAN'T be the tightest? What makes what you have heard *stupid*?
For neither of those reasons but I don't really have enough interest in this to explain it out either so feel free to interpret it however you like. Isn't that what people do anyways?

I agree, but "undeniable" is still a subjective word because believe it or not, there ARE people who *do not* consider Dre's shit to be "undeniable". Apart from the little shit talking clowns, there are people who honestly just don't DIG his music.
Everythings subjective. This is starting to feel like the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinski hearings. Of course there are people who genuinely dislike Dre's work. There will *always* be someone who digs it and someone who doesn't. What's "undeniable" is typically determined by the majority vote and accepted as such. No, not everyone will agree but for that matter, not everyone has to. And no, there's no rule or law that says you have to comply with the majority.

As far as the majority of popular music being quality, I disagree. Most popular music is far from being quality, what it is is easily DIGESTABLE to the fickle, impressionable, TREND-FOLLOWING lemmings. Ja Rule and Ashanti are NOT quality, and that is "undeniable".
So you consider most music consumers to be fickle, impressionable and trend-following lemmings. I don't think in this day & age people are half as brainless & ignorant as you might think. I don't think most people are geniuses either but I think people can generally tell the difference between decent (or better) work from total crap.

Do you really think Britney or N'Sync sells X times platinum because their music is "undeniable"? Or does it maybe have something to do with the MILLIONS of teens and pre-teens (mostly girls) who are infatuated with their IMAGE and omnipresence on mtv?
It's a combination of several things and I don't debate the point you want to make here but you won't convince me that the tons of money spent by those artists labels to put these albums together, is spent on garbage ass work. A lot of popular music, in my professional opinion, is quality work.... regardless of whether or not I actually like the music.

How many people do you think actually sit down and analyze the work on an N'Sync album as opposed to people who just bash their stuff simply because it's N'Sync and in their mind it's "not cool" in the eyes of their peers to compliment anything that falls into the 'popular' category.

By the way, you heard Justin Timberlake's album? If so, what do you think about the work on it? In your opinion, is it quality work or something (crap) thrown together just to put his name on and sell to all the fickle, impressionable, trend-following fans?
 
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For neither of those reasons but I don't really have enough interest in this to explain it out either so feel free to interpret it however you like. Isn't that what people do anyways?
That's my point. You say there is something stupid about the opinions you have heard, but I want to know WHAT makes them stupid opinions?

I am not interested in interpreting it for myself. *You* made the statement, and instead of interpreting it incorrectly, I am asking *you* to explain it.
Everythings subjective.
Actually it isn't. Gravity, laws of physics, mathematics, the sun, etc., are examples of things which are objective.
So you consider most music consumers to be fickle, impressionable and trend-following lemmings. I don't think in this day & age people are half as brainless & ignorant as you might think. I don't think most people are geniuses either but I think people can generally tell the difference between decent (or better) work from total crap.
Yes, I think the average consumer of what would be considered "urban" music, is basically 3 I.Q. points away from being a styrofoam peanut. Whoever at any given moment is able to pump out the most basic, simplistic and superficial ear fluff and have it mass marketed on radio and mtv, is more likely to do big numbers than someone with actual talent. Is this always the case? No.

But I do agree with you. There is a reason why Ja Rule (less crap) is gettin major spins 24/7, and the dude rappin bout "White Girls" (total crap) is only seen on BET Uncut at 3 a.m.
How many people do you think actually sit down and analyze the work on an N'Sync album as opposed to people who just bash their stuff simply because it's N'Sync and in their mind it's "not cool" in the eyes of their peers to compliment anything that falls into the 'popular' category.
I understand that, and I agree. But a person who DOES sit down and analyze it and who comes to the conclusion that the music on it is JUST NOT QUALITY, their opinion that it sucks is just as valid as the 13 yr. old Becky who listens to it religiously and thinks it is the best music ever recorded.
By the way, you heard Justin Timberlake's album? If so, what do you think about the work on it? In your opinion, is it quality work or something (crap) thrown together just to put his name on and sell to all the fickle, impressionable, trend-following fans?
No, I haven't heard his album. I heard the singles and it is not my type of shit. I don't like the beats and his voice and content is just not something I would voluntarily listen to. I'm not saying his shit is not quality, just that I personally don't dig it.

But if you told me that his album was tight, and later I said that "I hear stupid shit all the time like 'Justin Timberlake's album is tight'", doesn't it sound like I'm shitting on your opinion just because I disagree with it? That's why I wanted to know WHAT makes the opinions you gave about Nicky and Woodie "stupid".
 
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lol. I cant help but bring this up. Why is it everytime someone with any status whatsover in the rap business is granted the mercy of the people to argue. When me and Tadou had an argument a while back it was "these fools are ruining the thread" blah blah blah. hahaha! LMFAO!

It especially bothers me when an argument is pertinent to the topic...but hey whatever..."The Truth Comes Out When Your High."
Just another example of the 91-Double Standards.