Wikileaks wins again. Loser? = Obama

[KCVILLIAN]

because the president is the one actually calling the shots







wait a min












no he aint

 

[Roz]

Afghanistan is unwinnable, check history. The rebels also have the will to wait shit out and to keep fighting as long as it takes. The US doesn't, especially with deadlines to troop withdrawals, etc.

Long live Afghanistan.

It has been elevated to a holy war since troops entered Afghanistan, and even before with our presence back in the 80's... We never should of went over there, or to Iraq... If they believed there were problems to begin with, they've only intensified the hatred, and fueled the opposition to create more structure for a resistance... They're just costing lives, on both sides keeping up this nonsense...

 

[NAMO]

It has been elevated to a holy war since troops entered Afghanistan, and even before with our presence back in the 80's... We never should of went over there, or to Iraq... If they believed there were problems to begin with, they've only intensified the hatred, and fueled the opposition to create more structure for a resistance... They're just costing lives, on both sides keeping up this nonsense...

big business don't care about soldiers lives, all they care about is profits. Sad but true

 

[HUERO''909]

Iraq? There are still 'insurgents' and just because the US pack up and leave doesn't mean it will stop. Those Iraqi police they have been training are corrupt as fuck and as soon as the US and its partners are out of there, shit will start happening again for a very long time.

Guerilla Warfare is not winnable, unless you nuke every inch of whole country.

Guerillas have been 'defeated' before. The Malay emergency is a pretty good example of a recent one. Another example of an even more recent one is LTTE in Sri Lanka being defeated last year.

lol, and if we really want to get technical, in Vietnam the 'insurgency' or the Viet Cong were destroyed during and after Tet. From Tet on the war was fought for the most part by the NVA, who were not some guerillas but an actual Army. South Vietnam didn't fall to guerillas, but to the NVA, which had armor, artillery batteries, and aircraft.

 

[Zer0.MediA]

Hi. I'm a siccness member and I'm going to tell you my opinion on political matters that I know nothing about.





That's a summary of this whole thread.

 

[LONDON]

Props to WikiLeaks for lurking when it matters..they found EVERYTHING. biggest leak EVERRRR in the u.s. military.. Obama got to do some rethinking nao. $1 billion to Pakistan and they helpin the taliban.. lol
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Afghanistan war logs: Massive leak of secret files exposes truth of occupation

A huge cache of secret US military files today provides a devastating portrait of the failing war in Afghanistan, revealing how coalition forces have killed hundreds of civilians in unreported incidents, Taliban attacks have soared and Nato commanders fear neighbouring Pakistan and Iran are fuelling the insurgency.

The disclosures come from more than 90,000 records of incidents and intelligence reports about the conflict obtained by the whistleblowers' website Wikileaks in one of the biggest leaks in US military history. The files, which were made available to the Guardian, the New York Times and the German weekly Der Spiegel, give a blow-by-blow account of the fighting over the last six years, which has so far cost the lives of more than 320 British and over 1,000 US troops.

Their publication comes amid mounting concern that Barack Obama's "surge" strategy is failing and as coalition troops hunt for two US navy sailors captured by the Taliban south of Kabul on Friday.

The war logs also detail:

• How a secret "black" unit of special forces hunts down Taliban leaders for "kill or capture" without trial.

• How the US covered up evidence that the Taliban have acquired deadly surface-to-air missiles.

• How the coalition is increasingly using deadly Reaper drones to hunt and kill Taliban targets by remote control from a base in Nevada.

• How the Taliban have caused growing carnage with a massive escalation of its roadside bombing campaign, which has killed more than 2,000 civilians to date.

In a statement, the White House said the chaotic picture painted by the logs was the result of "under-resourcing" under Obama's predecessor, saying: "It is important to note that the time period reflected in the documents is January 2004 to December 2009."

The White House also criticised the publication of the files by Wikileaks: "We strongly condemn the disclosure of classified information by individuals and organisations, which puts the lives of the US and partner service members at risk and threatens our national security. Wikileaks made no effort to contact the US government about these documents, which may contain information that endanger the lives of Americans, our partners, and local populations who co-operate with us."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-war-logs-military-leaks

crazy shit, but it dosen't suprise me at all, i remember hearing on a bus a couple of weeks ago this one white south african brare(guy) was goin on very loudly(so everybody could hear his conversation) about how he was wit the british army and was stationed in afghanistan and about how this idiot respects the us army because when any of there troops get killed in a roadside bombing, they will go to the nearest village and house and kill everything moving, little kids, baby's, women, the men, the whole shebang, you see what i'm saying

it could be all made up, i hope it was, because this punk was kinda tipsy and that, you see what i'm saying, he coulda been running up his mouth to seem big to his friend, you get what i'm saying, but it would add up to whats been mentioned under that leaked files, plus some of the shit this idiot was yapping his gums about seemed kinda technical so you never know

 

[NAMO]

Guerillas have been 'defeated' before. The Malay emergency is a pretty good example of a recent one. Another example of an even more recent one is LTTE in Sri Lanka being defeated last year

lol, and if we really want to get technical, in Vietnam the 'insurgency' or the Viet Cong were destroyed during and after Tet. From Tet on the war was fought for the most part by the NVA, who were not some guerillas but an actual Army. South Vietnam didn't fall to guerillas, but to the NVA, which had armor, artillery batteries, and aircraft.

Vietnam was not won. The US won the battles but lost the war. Can you agree on this?

 

[NAMO]

crazy shit, but it dosen't suprise me at all, i remember hearing on a bus a couple of weeks ago this one white south african brare(guy) was goin on very loudly(so everybody could hear his conversation) about how he was wit the british army and was stationed in afghanistan and about how this idiot respects the us army because when any of there troops get killed in a roadside bombing, they will go to the nearest village and house and kill everything moving, little kids, baby's, women, the men, the whole shebang, you see what i'm saying

it could be all made up, i hope it was, because this punk was kinda tipsy and that, you see what i'm saying, he coulda been running up his mouth to seem big to his friend, you get what i'm saying, but it would add up to whats been mentioned under that leaked files, plus some of the shit this idiot was yapping his gums about seemed kinda technical so you never know

taking the word of a druken idiot makes you an even bigger idiot see what I'm saying..

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

dont get it twisted. this is obama's war.

Actually, its not. This war was spearheaded by Bush.

 

[Sydal]

Why not blame Obama for something done during the Bush administration? Obama supporters blame Bush for everything Obama does wrong.

 

[Timm]

Actually, its not. This war was spearheaded by Bush.

 

[Timm]

Afghanistan is unwinnable, check history. The rebels also have the will to wait shit out and to keep fighting as long as it takes. The US doesn't, especially with deadlines to troop withdrawals, etc.

Long live Afghanistan.

People like you said the EXACT same shit about Iraq 5 years ago, now Iraq is in the best shape it has ever been in.

 

[Sydal]

This is oh so true. Everything passed during those critical Bush years was passed by a DEMOCRATIC HOUSE!

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

This is oh so true. Everything passed during those critical Bush years was passed by a DEMOCRATIC HOUSE!

Bush was the face of the government for 8 years, just like the presidents before him. Therefore, it is HIS war. Thats how it works in the US.

So if its not Bush's war, then its not Obama's either.

 

[LONDON]

taking the word of a druken idiot makes you an even bigger idiot see what I'm saying..

if you had read my post properly you would have known that i broke down already that he was drunk and could have been making it all up, i never said i took his shit for gospel, i was just adding that it was interesting that i had heard
some crazy shit which was in relation to this proven crazy shit thats been posted from the national mainstream western media via wikileaks, read the post before you type nerd

 

[Sydal]

Bush was the face of the government for 8 years, just like the presidents before him. Therefore, it is HIS war. Thats how it works in the US.

So if its not Bush's war, then its not Obama's either.

I know how it works. It's not Bush's or Obama's war, in my opinion. My point is, every time Obama fucks up...Bush gets blamed. Those bills were passed by Dems, just like they are now. So if people hate what came out of the Bush era, they only have one party to really blame.

I'm just saying...people who don't know where to place blame need to shut the fuck up and stop voting...because they are voting for the wrong reasons.

 

[SC_408]

People like you said the EXACT same shit about Iraq 5 years ago, now Iraq is in the best shape it has ever been in.

best shape? really? get off that fox news...

 

[Sydal]

best shape? really? get off that fox news...

Well, yes...actually, it is. They don't have a dictator killing mass amounts of people for having an opinion or for the sheer fun of it.

The country is in the hands of the Iraqi's, but they are fucking it off. Do you think if we pulled our troops out the violence would stop? No. They have their own issues over there between groups that we just so happen to be in the middle of. It is up to them to set up shop and use the country that was handed to them instead of fighting over who is going to CONTROL it. That's the biggest issue...they think somebody needs to CONTROL shit, rather than just letting people do their thing and vote in some good leadership.

But all in all, yes, they are better off without a leader that was killing citizens. Hussein was no better than Hitler.

 

[Dhadnot]

Hussein was a dick but he held the people in check, no stupid sunni shiite killing groups of people shit. Shoulda stayed out that country.

 

[SC_408]

Well, yes...actually, it is. They don't have a dictator killing mass amounts of people for having an opinion or for the sheer fun of it.

The country is in the hands of the Iraqi's, but they are fucking it off. Do you think if we pulled our troops out the violence would stop? No. They have their own issues over there between groups that we just so happen to be in the middle of. It is up to them to set up shop and use the country that was handed to them instead of fighting over who is going to CONTROL it. That's the biggest issue...they think somebody needs to CONTROL shit, rather than just letting people do their thing and vote in some good leadership.

But all in all, yes, they are better off without a leader that was killing citizens. Hussein was no better than Hitler.

Instead of Saddam killing citizens, its the rival factions and war taht resulted from the operation that is killing the innocent...shit is just waayy to fucked up over there...