Why Kobe Won't Win The MVP

[Blaza_4_Eva]

naw no homo cuz in my eyes he a female so it's all good.

 

[Blaza_4_Eva]

hahaha

 

[REdRUM]

That's one hurt bitch, then...what kinda broads you hanging around?

 

[MrFedEx503]

naw no homo cuz in my eyes he a female so it's all good.

damn you need to meet some new girls man

 

[KrazeeRDM]

His team is 8 games over .500 in a horribly weak conference.

The Lakers are 18 games over, in the West.

yes i know this but Kobe got all the parts around him. lamar odem who is ballin to the fullest and then gasol. and all there role players are doing there job and the bench is running pretty deep as well. they lakers are a real good team so yeah they'll obviously be higher up then the shitty cavs. i feel if it was just kobe like it is lebron this year then the lakers woud either be right near the 500 mark or below it. i dunno it's just my opinion but once again this is a stupid thing to say cause we talkin about a player not there team

 

[REdRUM]

I see what you're saying, but they were at the top of the West WITHOUT Gasol, with Bynum injured. And that's the West...

It'll be interesting, though.

 

[ThiZZmAtiC510]

yes i know this but Kobe got all the parts around him. lamar odem who is ballin to the fullest and then gasol. and all there role players are doing there job and the bench is running pretty deep as well.

cosign with redrum above, and to add to it, our bench isnt that deep...we play 3-4 players off the bench just like every other team (farmar, vujacic, turiaf, and walton...but walton is hurt right now thank god).

and on top of not having bynum & gasol, we were also without mihm, so we played a lot without even having a true center.

 

[KrazeeRDM]

cosign with redrum above, and to add to it, our bench isnt that deep...we play 3-4 players off the bench just like every other team (farmar, vujacic, turiaf, and walton...but walton is hurt right now thank god).

and on top of not having bynum & gasol, we were also without mihm, so we played a lot without even having a true center.

yeah that true but the 3/4 guys that come off the bench walton excluding are doing everything there suppose to be doing and there playing great off the bench, well atleast everytime i see them play. other teams play 3/4 guys off the bench but that doesnt mean they play that well ya know. i know u guys were doing real god before the gasol signing but when gasol was out u guys lost to a couple bad teams with gasol down which made kobe lose his top spot in the mvp race cause it caused u guys to fall to number 2 or 3. i mean why is this still goin on? the mvp really aint shit anyways and we should be mpore concerned about winning the title? fuck the MVP talk imma still pray it's lakers celtics in the finals

 

[SLICC RICC]

I LOVE THE LAKERS, AND KOBE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME, BUT KOBE IS A PIECE OF SHIT OFF THE COURT, SO I REALLY HOPE HE DOESNT WIN IT...

 

[Bay-Wit-It]

Here u go again?? U should have your facts right before u try to call someone out! Actually when I made my poll a few months back I said Kobe was leading leBron by a lil bit. Go back and read it. So that should shut u up right there! 2ndly things change over the course of a season so as of now i have CP3!! Does that make sense to u?? Reading is fundamental!! Got Em!!

Lol and you also said Lebron should win it every year right? That doesnt change the fact that you also said CP3 was third to them both.

Why did you dodge the question? What have you seen frome CP3 that made you change your mind lately? Hes always been shitting on niggas. Also back when you made the poll N.O. was leading the west or atleast in second place.

 

[CZAR]

Lol and you also said Lebron should win it every year right? That doesnt change the fact that you also said CP3 was third to them both.

Why did you dodge the question? What have you seen frome CP3 that made you change your mind lately? Hes always been shitting on niggas. Also back when you made the poll N.O. was leading the west or atleast in second place.

Come on bay u know how shit works!! Throughout a season shit changes! Ill try this again!! At the time of the poll that I put up months back I had Kobe edging LeBron!! At this time I have Paul edging Kobe!! Why.....LeBron has a shittier cast after that trade and they dont have the wins for him to win MVP!! Paul while he has been shitting on niggas, he has even stepped it up a notch as time gets crucial toward the end of the season and has kept his team at the top. And to think that N.O. will get the #1 seed is dope shit. Now I kinda think that if LA finishes as the top seed Kobe may win it. Thats the only way I can see Kobe winning it! Is that good enough for u? Got Em!!

 

[REdRUM]

I LOVE THE LAKERS, AND KOBE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME, BUT KOBE IS A PIECE OF SHIT OFF THE COURT, SO I REALLY HOPE HE DOESNT WIN IT...

OOOH...you prefer people with high morals?

 

[Bay-Wit-It]

Come on bay u know how shit works!! Throughout a season shit changes! Ill try this again!! At the time of the poll that I put up months back I had Kobe edging LeBron!! At this time I have Paul edging Kobe!! Why.....LeBron has a shittier cast after that trade and they dont have the wins for him to win MVP!! Paul while he has been shitting on niggas, he has even stepped it up a notch as time gets crucial toward the end of the season and has kept his team at the top. And to think that N.O. will get the #1 seed is dope shit. Now I kinda think that if LA finishes as the top seed Kobe may win it. Thats the only way I can see Kobe winning it! Is that good enough for u? Got Em!!

Although you posted the poll maybe one month ago ill go along with that answer. I do know how it goes I just wanted to know your reason for such a sudden change of heart.

Even though it wasn't too specific the underlined part was all you had to say bruh.

 

[SLICC RICC]

OOOH...you prefer people with high morals?

NOT QUITE... ITS JUST THAT HE GOT ONE OF MY HOMIES THAT WORKED AT STAPLES CENTER FIRED, BECAUSE HE ASKED HIM FOR AN AUTOGRAPH ON THE DL, AND HE STILL WENT AND TOLD WHEN HE COULD HAVE JUST DID IT QUICKLY WITH NO ONE SEEING... FUCK KOBE... IM A LAKERS FAN, NOT A KOBE FAN...

 

[Unknownn]

CP3 MVP

HOW IS THIS EVEN BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW

 

[Bay-Wit-It]

CP3 MVP

HOW IS THIS EVEN BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW

And he shall remain unknown. He hasnt even been to a playoff game. He will have his time but this is Kobes year.

 

[ThiZZmAtiC510]

2 good articles about why Kobe should be MVP over CP3...first by Marc Stein, second by Nate Smith

Most Valuable Player

Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers

I thought the standings would help me decide. But they didn't.

I thought that Chris Paul having the best season of any point guard in a conference teeming with Hall of Fame-bound quarterbacks and leading his team to the best record in the West -- all while possibly saving basketball in New Orleans in the process -- would be clinchers.

They weren't.

I thought I'd be voting Paul after stacking all that up, but this voter simply can't deny Kobe his maiden MVP because the Lakers might finish a game or two or even three behind the Cinderella Hornets in the nine-team race of the century. I keep looking at Bryant's season and looking at Paul's and, yes, I'm still giving the edge to Kobe.

For all of Paul's undeniable brilliance -- and for all of you who can't wait to dismiss this as a Lifetime Achievement Award for the guy who's considered the Best Player To Never Win The MVP Award -- I'm sorry. But Bryant has had to deal with and do more this season than even CP3.

Bryant has seen more double- and triple-teams and junk defenses. He's dealt with a far lower grade of overall team health; Andrew Bynum will end up playing less than half of the season and Pau Gasol missed 11 games, too, just since his Feb. 1 arrival. Kobe has also played through a hand injury of his own that still requires surgery and is asked by his coach and teammates to be All-NBA at both ends, all while shouldering higher expectations than any player in the league.

Kobe certainly could have made this a lot easier if the Lakers hadn't suffered unforgivable home losses to the Bobcats and Grizzlies earlier this month, giving New Orleans its huge opening to shock the world and secure the West's No. 1 overall seed. But I'm rescinding my previous contention that the team with the better record would decide the Kobe vs. Paul derby because the difference, in the end, won't be sufficiently drastic enough to separate these two. The variables mentioned above, to me, are bigger.

I know, I know. Now you're going to ask how I could vote for Steve Nash two years running and not vote for Paul now. That complaint, for starters, has never made sense to me. Every season, and thus every MVP race, should be judged on its own. The specifics of every season are different and so is the MVP field every season. Just look at this field: It's suddenly down to a two-man sprint after it seemed for so long that we had four potential MVPs, now that LeBron James and his Cavaliers are sputtering to the finish and with Kevin Garnett's culture-changing impact in Boston unfairly (but unavoidably) taken for granted because of all the wildness out West.

If you insist on persisting with the Nash comparison, don't forget that the little Canadian won his back-to-back MVPs for almost single-handedly turning a 29-win team into a 62-win team in a West that wasn't too shabby ... and then by keeping Phoenix at a 54-win level after they traded away Joe Johnson and then lost Amare Stoudemire for most of the following season. None of that really helps us here anyway because Paul's play is closer to the blueprint of Nash's maiden MVP, but Bryant's season more closely resembles Nash's repeat performance.

Clear cut for Kobe? No one's saying that. But I finally decided that Bryant has to be my MVP when he's playing the team ball of his life, for a club everyone fears in the playoffs far more than the Hornets, while he's also playing in a stratosphere as an individual that only LeBron can presently reach. At Stein Line HQ, all that adds up to No. 24.

STEIN'S BALLOT
1. Bryant
2. Paul
3. Garnett
4. James
5. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio

October prediction: Garnett

The NBA MVP 2008 is Kobe Bryant and I'm going to explain why.

Everyone keeps saying Paul has a worse supporting cast than the Lakers and that the Hornets would be worse without Paul than the Lakers without Bryant.

Seriously?

Remember, Andrew Bynum has been out most of the season and so has Pau Gasol. Tyson Chandler and David West have been healthy all season and put up a player efficiency rating (PER) that is higher than Lamar Odom's this season. In fact, David West last year had a higher PER than Lamar Odom THIS season. Clearly, Paul has had the superior supporting cast for most of the season. More on this later.

And please stop saying Paul is the only reason his supporting cast is any good.

David West had the exact same PER that he has this season in 2005-06. And look at his stats last season. They are nearly identical to what he's doing this year.

Peja was only a frontrunner for league MVP a couple years back.

And Tyson Chandler's main contribution is rebounding - something Paul presumably doesn't help him do.

So people who are saying the Lakers without Kobe would be better than the Hornet's without Paul need a reality check.

The Lakers lineup without Kobe would look like this for most of the season: Derek Fisher, Sasha Vujacic, Vladimir Radmanovic, Lamar Odom and Ronny Turiaf.

The Hornets would look like this for most of the season: Pargo, Mo Pete, Peja, David West, Tyson Chandler.

Anyone who says the Lakers are better are mistaken. Remember Pau Gasol has not played for the Lakers most of the season and neither has Andrew Bynum.

Now let's look at why Kobe is clearly the MVP.

The Lakers are 1 1/2 games back of New Orleans (1st place). The Lakers are only one game worse at home than New Orleans.

The Lakers are one game worse on the road than New Orleans.

The Lakers have a better division record and they have a better record against the Western Conference.

The Lakers have a larger margin of victory than the Hornets.

I think any reasonable person would look at the results of all this and conclude
that the Hornets and Lakers are roughly a similar quality team.

BUT: Pau Gasol has been a Laker for 31 games. That means he's been on the roster for about 41% of the Lakers season so far (31/75). He's missed 12 games. The 10th starting at New Orleans and ending with Washington, and he's missed two games where he was a Laker but hadn't been acclimated to the system (Toronto,
Washington), so he's missed 12 of those 31 games or 39% of the games he's been a Laker.

So look at that. Pau Gasol has been a Laker for over 40% of the Lakers' season,
but has missed over a third of the games he has been on the roster.

Andrew Bynum has been on the roster all year. He has played 35 games this
season. That means he has missed 40 games!

He has missed 53.3% of the season! The Lakers have played 20 games without either Bynum or Gasol in the lineup.
That's 26% of the Lakers season! To put in perspective, that's over a quarter
of the Lakers' NBA season with almost no frontline.

Now look at the Hornets:

David West has played in 68 of 74 games. That means he's played in 92% of New
Orleans' games so far.

Tyson Chandler has played in 71 of 74 games. That means he's played in 96% of
New Orleans' games.

Peja has played in 69 of the 74 games. That means he's played in 93.2% of New
Orleans' games.

That would be enough to put the Lakers injury situation into context versus New
Orleans, BUT WAIT, there's more.

Peja missed games on 12/9, 12/12, 12/15, 12/17, 12/19

Tyson missed games on 11/21, 2/6, 2/9

West missed games on 1/5, 3/5, 3/7, 3/8, 3/16, 3/17

What is interesting here is that of Paul's top 3 supporting players, NONE OF THEM
EVER missed a game on the same day. Not once. It happened to Kobe for over a quarter of the Lakers' season (20/75). It NEVER happened to Paul.

Yet the Lakers are only 1 1/2 games back from first in the West.

That's not a very healthy margin over the Lakers considering the injury
situation.

But let's go a little bit deeper and look at the games Kobe has played without
Pau Gasol or Andrew Bynum.

First, it is important to note that 11 of the 20 games were on the road and 15
of the 20 opponents were above .500.

The Lakers played Seattle, Phoenix, Denver, San Antonio (rd), Dallas (rd),
Cleveland, New York, Detroit(rd), Toronto(rd), Washington(rd), Houston (Rd),
Dallas (Rd), Utah (Rd), Seattle(rd), Golden State (X2, 1rd) Washington,
Memphis, Charlotte without Bynum or Gasol. The Lakers went 10-10 (including the
loss to the Hornets which doesn't matter for this comparison) on this schedule
without Bynum or Gasol.

Let's look at Paul's record with these games:

Seattle (rd, hm) - W, W
Phoenix - W
Denver - W
San Antonio 2/23 (rd) - L
Dallas 12/14(rd) - L
Cleveland - W
New York - W

Detroit (rd) - L Toronto (rd) - W Washington (Rd, Hm) - L, L
Houston (rd) - L
Utah 2/4 (rd) - L
Dallas (rd) - (haven't played Dallas for a second time on the road yet)
Golden State - W, L
Memphis -W
Charlotte - W

The exact same games Paul went 2 games over .500.

He was 10-8 with a healthy Hornets squad.

So Paul with a healthy Hornets squad goes only 2 games over .500 while the Lakers
managed to go .500 WITHOUT Gasol or Bynum against the same exact teams.

Isn't that the very definition of doing more with less that defines a MVP?

 

[MrPeete]

Bleh, the only arguments for Kobe for MVP are, "He's not selfish Kobe anymore" and "It's his time"

What the fuck does any of that shit mean?

CP3 = MVP

Also wanted to point out that LBJ is no longer in the running...

 

[ThiZZmAtiC510]

yeah that true but the 3/4 guys that come off the bench walton excluding are doing everything there suppose to be doing and there playing great off the bench, well atleast everytime i see them play. other teams play 3/4 guys off the bench but that doesnt mean they play that well ya know.

yeah, i didn't say we didn't have a good bench, i said we don't have a deep bench like he said we do.

 

[REdRUM]

Bleh, the only arguments for Kobe for MVP are, "He's not selfish Kobe anymore" and "It's his time"

What the fuck does any of that shit mean?

CP3 = MVP

Also wanted to point out that LBJ is no longer in the running...

The only arguement? You've obviously failed to read any of my posts regarding this topic in this and other threads.

He's the BEST player on the TOP team in the WEST. His numbers are outstanding, he had a mediocre (AT BEST) supporting cast for at least half of the season, numerous injuries to the team, along with his own...and he's still dominating the league.

What is YOUR arguement for Paul? Your dislike for Kobe doesn't count.