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kfascole said:
"It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Conan Doyle

Iam curious JLMACN/DJVanilla. If not God, then who or what? and where did who or what come from? If by chance (evolution) then how did it begin?
The chances are complexity of human life by evolution are infinitesimal.
Practically speaking the chances are quite impossible. (The math is scientific not suggestion. The law of probabilities.)
Spontaneous Generation? (living matter from nonliving matter)-NO, but if you think yes, then what- EX Nihilo (matter from nothing at all?) That would be reaching. My point is that science and logic lives in God's house.

In the words of Billy Preston, "Nothin from Nothin leaves Nothin." Then we are forced to come full circle back to a creator. You may ask, and where did he come from? I must refer you back to a very logical quote: "when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Conan Doyle
Quote away alll you want. That fact that you base your life and judgements on faith that someday you will be walking Streets of Gold and shit like that is ridiculous. I was christian for about 16 yrs of my life. But then I started to really seek information and understand that Religion is Politics with Morals. it doenst matter if you are Christian, Musslim, Hindu, Buddist....etc..

All these things have 1 thing in common: they were all MAN MADE!
like someone said before me here....People believed in God because it was the only thing they could come up with to make themselves understand why it rained, snowed, lightening'd, etc....

Jesus is/was just a man...no more no less. He bones, he cussed, he dranked, and he died.

U talk about betting your soul. man! Its not about betting your soul. who says you even have a soul? do you know you do? how? Im curious....do you talk to your God? What does he say? how do you talk to him? if by prayer...ill say this..

I prayed for ever and ever...and this is when i was a christian and really believed in GOD. Dude never answeredd me. moms would always tell me "In gods time not yours" Bullshit...

God doesnt have a time. if he trully exist then he is INFINITY! he doesnt know the dfference between 2006BC and 2006 AD...

WAKE UP DUDE...
he is a figment of your imagination.

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kfascole said:
Just kiddin, neither side can be proved or disproved, Atheist as well as Theist
are faith based beliefs.
wrong. religion is based on faith. atheism is based on science.
 

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jsquared said:
I don't have a clue what high school you went to, but if you know how to create life the way you stated, then the rest of the world would like to know...
it was a biology lab in college. and the experiment in which you quoted missed the number 1 thing required for all life, amino acids, which can be found all throughout the universe. yes, it did eventually create the amino acids, but what if the amino acids were already present?
An amino acid, one of the building blocks of life, has been spotted in deep space. If the find stands up to scrutiny, it means that the sorts of chemistry needed to create life are not unique to Earth verifying one of astrobiology's cherished theories.

This would add weight to ideas that life exists on other planets, and even that molecules from outer space kick-started life on Earth. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2558
I would suggest furthering your own research before you put out disinformation to those seeking answers....
Son, i know more about this topic than you could ever hope to know.

I personally don't see how someone can believe that humans are just forms of matter, without souls that simply evolved from a soup of chemical substance with a bolt of lightning as the catalyst.....If that is your belief, so be it....
i don't know how people can believe in an invisible father-like being that chooses not to be seen and gives you a spanking if you don't live by his words.
 
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Son, i know more about this topic than you could ever hope to know.
I highly doubt that your studies have benefited you any more than my own have benefited me....comments like that are just basically meant to discredit me or make me feel somehow less intelligent....oh well, you didn't succeed...If you want to argue a point, then argue it with fact and personal experience.....Life has never been created in a labratory from anything but components of already living forms (ie. cloning, stem cell research, etc....cells taken from living beings)..so your comment was false...and that is what I intended to prove...there is no need to get defensive or angry...

i don't know how people can believe in an invisible father-like being that chooses not to be seen and gives you a spanking if you don't live by his words.
Maybe thats their belief....then so be it....like I stated about yours....

It isn't my belief.....as you assume...but I guess that just proves your intentions even more...to classify someone rather than learn from them.....

All this talk about Tech and Christians listening to him.....blah...it doesn't matter what someone believes in...I don't consider myself a Christian as a matter of fact.....or any religion for that matter...but what I do know is that there is something greater than the human race can understand that has gone on and continues throughout the universe....

I guess I'm gonna eventually have to tell you all the story of what got me on my "knowledge" kick a while back...though most of you will laugh and say that I'm lying or crazy, what have you....but that has been the same throughout history..those that choose not to believe in something taunt those that do...I don't care what any of you believe...I don't judge people...My whole point of any post in this thread was to share my personal opinions and beliefs...I could really care less if you believe the same things that I believe, but what it all comes down to is that none of us know or can prove anything for sure....Science supports Atheism, yes...but it also supports all kinds of religions across the globe from a historical standpoint and a hypothetical one.....basically, all Science is hypothetical until proven, and nobody has ever proven that a God exists or that a God doesn't exist....

JL..homey.... as far as your praying....I feel for you man....cuz I know how it feels to pray and pray and never be answered....I guess all I can tell you is that there are reasons I suppose why prayers are answered and why they are not...but I promise you this...I was answered not only once, but twice....it wasn't anything too important, and was basically about all the things we are discussing...what is our purpose, why are we here, etc...and to be honest I was never really a religous person until that time...even now, I hardly ever pray for anything.....but it did scare the hell out of me, so to speak....and it still does when I think about it...I've got to do some net digging, but I'll post a link to my whole experience in my next post....I figure I've posted enough in this one for the haters to have fun with...




in the words of Tech N9ne, "Deus Vobiscum" my friends....take care yall....
 
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I took this from a messageboard that I posted on in November of last year....it's actually a site related to demons and the like...it explains the first "experience" I have referenced before in this topic....I know it's kind of stupid puting something kind of personal like this out there for most of you to laugh at, but whatever....I just thought it would let some of those that might care know where I'm coming from...

Since I made my introduction, I figured the best way to start things was to tell you why I'm here in the first place...this is kind of Religion based, but I felt it best belonged here due to the "supernaturality" of it...

One thing in my lifetime, one event, one sole thing, was what got me on the quest for spiritual answers..

Maybe 2 years ago, I'm not even sure of the exact date anymore(it isn't that relevant), I was "living in sin" as people around here call it....I was pretty much living with/sleeping in the same bed as my girlfriend(now my wife) at her parents house...

A little intro...It was a time in my life that I was mentally debating the state of humanity. My main area of concern was my exact situation. Was I doing wrong in "God's" eyes? I was raised a Christian (Free Will Baptist), but never really felt the need to be a weekly church attendee, but I did read the Bible. I always felt there was more knowledge out there than just that one book. But, everything I had ever heard, and what I was actually feeling, was that I was doing God an injustice to "live" with my girlfriend. Also, the issue of pornography weighed heavily in my life as a teen and young adult. Was is so bad to look at women and commit the sin of lust? I was kind of depressed over the whole fact that I might be condemning myself, even though I know I can always be forgiven. I say that even though I feel "sinning with the knowledge of commiting that sin, is a greater sin than sinning unknowingly"....

Now the event..... I was lying in bed one night with all these questions swirling in my head. I prayed, something that I didn't do often, and asked "God" to give me an answer. I felt like it was a shot in the dark, but you always hear about people asking for things in prayer, then receiving them. As I was finally starting to doze, I suddenly felt wide awake, a chill shot through me, and I heard a voice in my head very clearly say "Galatians 5:17". The voice I heard was not mine, and it was one I hadn't heard before or since.

I was creeped out. I looked around to see if someone was in the room. I felt panicked. After a few moments though, I calmed down. I told myself that in the morning, if I remembered, that I would look it up. I felt if it stayed with me overnight, it was truly something that was meant for me.

Galatians.....Galatians??...I had heard of the book, yes. But, it seemed odd because it isn't one that is commonly preached or quoted.

The next morning, I remembered the voice and what it said. I grabbed a bible, flipped through the pages, and read....

Galatians 5:17 - "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

THIS WAS AN EXACT REFERENCE TO THE EXACT ISSUE THAT I HAD ASKED ABOUT IN MY PRAYER!

I just got chills typing this, as I did that morning and every time I tell this wonderful story. I feel special in a way. I asked a question, and something or someone answered. Who or what was it? Was it "God". Was it simply a mental reference to something I heard a preacher say as a kid? All I know is, it was an answer.

I guess my purpose in this post was to share this experience, and to get your opinion on it. Also, it sheds a little light on how I got started on my quest for spiritual knowledge. After this incident, I picked up my Bible more often, read other historical texts, researched Angels, Demons, etc., and, most of all, tried to understand other peoples views of the world.

Whether it be religious, supernatural, scientific, or even theoretical, I'll lend an ear. I believe we are all here for a reason, and by interacting with each other in places like this, maybe we can unlock some of time and space's secrets.

Thanks for reading...

please respond if you feel the urge..
so, have fun.....I know its making alot of you laugh, but whatever...its a true story....and I did experience it....
 

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jsquared said:
It isn't my belief.....as you assume...but I guess that just proves your intentions even more...to classify someone rather than learn from them.....
oh, ok, i get it now. it's ok for you to classify people, such as
I personally don't see how someone can believe that humans are just forms of matter, without souls that simply evolved from a soup of chemical substance with a bolt of lightning as the catalyst.....If that is your belief, so be it....
but when other people do it, it's wrong. With logic like that, i be you win every argument you partake in. All hail the great debator! so let's see here, everything you say is right, and everything anyone else says is wrong. Case closed. I bet the world would be thankful to know that you solved the mysteries of the universe with your wonderfully flawed logic.
 

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and as for your story, you sought out what you wanted to hear. no divine intervention, nothing. yes, god waited millions upon millions upon millions of years to finally put down his words in the bible (and torah), thus explaining that the world is 6000 years old and his words are bond. seems a bit convienient, no?
 
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JLMACN said:
^^^man oh man..

you are lost homie! I could go on forever about this shit..
What one TRUE church? If you do some research "church" never even existed...

The only research I need is the Bible. I am not lost. The Bible was divinely inspired. Had it not been, it would have been destroyed hundreds of years ago. God has made sure that it has been preserved.

The church I speak of is Christ's church. The "church" is not a building, but rather the assembling of the saints together to worship God. According to the book of Acts, the church was founded on the day of pentecost. Christ's church was to be called the "church of Christ", no other names. Most call us narrow minded, but we get everything directly from the Bible, and not from man.

But to accept that, one has to believe the Bible as fact. Without that, there is no point in me trying to win an arguement. That's not why I'm here; I will always discuss this topic with anyone, but I don't beleive it would be worth my while in this thread.

Oh, and this Christian listens to Tech N9ne becasue he is a real artist. I believe in Tech to the fullest and probably always will. Some might consider Tech N9ne anti-religion, but I believe the exact opposite. I'm not going to stop listening just because of what one man, Tech N9ne, says. After all, it is him saying and doing what he does, and I choose whether or not it affects me or not.
 
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soulwinnerrj said:
The only research I need is the Bible. (WOW, U ARE TRULLY LOST MY FRIEND!) I am not lost.( YES U ARE ACTUALLY, SEE YOUR FIRST STATEMENT) The Bible was divinely inspired. (BY WHO? U RELALY THINK GOD WROTE THE BIBLE?....IF SO, HE CONTRADICTS HIMSELFS THROUGH OUT THE WHOLE THING!) Had it not been, it would have been destroyed hundreds of years ago. God has made sure that it has been preserved. (THEN WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE TAURA? or the CORAN?
THESE BOOKS ARE MUCH OLDER THAN YOUR B-I-B-L-E!!!! )

Its only been 3-4 yrs since i have been out of CHRIST CHURCH! and you know what...i have had more RIGHT in my life without church than WRONG! Makes me feel much much better...

If the bible solves all your questions...you are a very closed minded individual.

sorry for you and your kids..and the rest of your life.

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Damn man, yall know that religion and politics can create great divides in people who would otherwise like eachother, and that is my only gripe with highly organized groups that you either decide to belong to or not, they leave no in between and when they do find an in between, they name it, and call it a new religion, or political group. I believe that each man/woman finds whatever it is they live for, and that's that. If you have no respect for what another person deserves to live for, then simply don't associate yourself with them, but I would suggest reserving your critism as well, because it is a waste of your time. I choose not to believe that I am a lump of cells that somehow just appeared on a planet that just popped up in the universe, I choose not believe that I am on earth everyday to consume goods,buy things, get some pussy, shit and then die one day. I believe that people have a greater purpose. If you choose to believe that God doesnt exist, then I guess, I JUST DON'T GIVE A SHIT. Just like you don't care that I do believe he does exist. I can't judge you, so if I like you I just do. You don't have to go before judgement with me, and you don't believe there is a judgement anyway. I guess I would like to know what people that don't believe in God feel like thier purpose in life is. But for you Tech N9ne fans, do you not constantly hear in the music the references to Angels and Demons, good and evil, since this thread was about Tech and God, I know that Tech got married, most people traditionally get married because they believe they want the union to be protected and recognized by God, so that could be percieved as the man believing he atleast exists, I know for fact that Tech has gone to Church with Kaliko, atleast a couple of times, because I heard it out of the mans mouth, he believes in heaven and hell, so when people who dont believe in God are reciting some Tech lyrics on a disc such as anghellic which is based on the idea of heaven, hell, and purgatory, how do you relate and really feel the music. Just a question.
 
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And JL, with all due respect man, your success is a result of your hard work, in whatever it may be. Associating that with your choice to leave church, is probably more of a coincidence than anything. And having more go right in your life, is relative to what kind of success you are talking about. I could be broke, working hard, and have what most would consider "nothing going right" decide to rob and murder, have everything "going right" and still be "wrong".
I still believe people make the choice, church or not, its totally unique to each person.
 

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kansascitycat said:
And JL, with all due respect man, your success is a result of your hard work, in whatever it may be. Associating that with your choice to leave church, is probably more of a coincidence than anything.
what makes you think the opposite isn't true as well. people's failures are attributed to themselves, their lack of hardwork, personality, etc, not because they didn't find church.
 
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shep said:
what makes you think the opposite isn't true as well. people's failures are attributed to themselves, their lack of hardwork, personality, etc, not because they didn't find church.
What is "failing" if your happy with what you do than i dont think you would classify yourself as a failure.
 
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shep said:
what makes you think the opposite isn't true as well. people's failures are attributed to themselves, their lack of hardwork, personality, etc, not because they didn't find church.
Damn Shep, why the fuck didnt you quote the my whole statement instead of just that part.
kansascitycat said:
I still believe people make the choice, church or not, its totally unique to each person.
I said that success is a personal choice, I don't believe just because someone goes to church that they will be successful either.
 
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according to THE CHURCH:

good - jesus

bad - satan

i hear what everyone is sayin....i respect everyones opinion. I would never tell anyone they are stupid for theur believes unless... they start down talkin mine.

im done debating this bullshit...

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