Why is Biggie considered a legend?
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How in the hell can you say that? I was never really a Pac fan myself...I liked a few of his songs here and there. Just because you and I really don't feel him that much doesn't mean that others don't. Come on man...they have classes in colleges that study the man and his lyrics. That doesn't change my opinion that I feel he is overated and that I never really liked alot of his music. But to say the man isn't a legend in the rap game is stupid as fuck. Plus he has been dead for damn near 10 years and people still talk about him. You, myself and alot of other people might not feel him like others...but Pac is definitely a legend.
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reppin_the_509 said:
pay attention. A
ac and big l were way better, B: biggie is a legend cause there are hardly any good mc's from the east, when east finds a good artist they diccryde. and some dumbass said in the first page " If they were still alive they would need to step up their game to compete with artists nowadays like Jay z, Nas, Em....." fucc that, nas is close to their level but jayz and em are not even in the ball park, if anyone would compete with pac it would be x raided or tre 8 or p folks, those niggas have hella talent.
ac and big l were way better, B: biggie is a legend cause there are hardly any good mc's from the east, when east finds a good artist they diccryde. and some dumbass said in the first page " If they were still alive they would need to step up their game to compete with artists nowadays like Jay z, Nas, Em....." fucc that, nas is close to their level but jayz and em are not even in the ball park, if anyone would compete with pac it would be x raided or tre 8 or p folks, those niggas have hella talent.
'biggie is a legend cause there are hardly any good mc's from the east'...LOL! They must all be in the West, huh?
My whole opinion can be summed up by what others have said:
" if he died, if he didn't die, whatever........we are so bias cuz Pac was from the west. people from the east coast embrassed biggie as we do pac. there is no way u can not say that Ready to Die was not a bangin album. shit is just like Pac's shit. u can still play that shit today and it dosen't sound old. that's what makes them legends. they were both ahead of their time. to me, Ready To Die is one of the top 10 albums EVER. same with All Eyez on Me. " - ComputerNerd
Tupac Shakur was a legend from the moment he died...same as Biggie. He was a great, renowned, loved, supported, and idolized RAP ARTISTS while he was alive...but not a martyr. He spoke to the people, his people, BLACK people, in a way they could understand and comprehend. Yet lyrically...he was no 'great' mc. He was average, maybe even above average. People confuse great lyrical ability with 'great joints'...there's a difference.
Biggie became a legend after he died, which may have taken him longer to earn (that title) if he had lived. The whole 'the east coast needed somebody...' story is stupid. The WEST COAST needed someone more than ANYONE...and suprise...here's Tupac on Death Row. THAT was when he became 'great'...when he was suddenly on every magazine, on every TV show. I think the marketing directors at Death Row deserve some credit, too.
*I am NOT a Tupac fan...but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant to his talent, his fame...his legendary status. I think he is overrated to this day, but there's a reason for that. He reaced some people...fine. But that doesn't mean Biggie didn't in his own way, or there's only ONE great rap artist, dead or alive. WE need to grow up as a whole and realize that WE are biased because it was WEST vs EAST...and OF COURSE we'd support, love, and fight for whoever was running the West. If it was Snoop vs Biggie...we'd consider Snoop a legend, a great talent, etc.
OPEN YOUR EYES...People who are HUGE Biggie fans out East are saying the SAME SHIT about Tupac. Regardless...they didn't ask to die. They didn't ask to be disected. Let them rest in peace and enjoy the music.
EAZY E IS A BIGGER LEGEND THAN BIGGIE AND 2PAC BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT HE MADE ON GANGSTA RAP.
JUST THINK:WITH OUT EAZY, 2PAC MIGHT HAVE NEVER EVEN STARTED RAPPING. HE PAVED THE WAY FOR MOST OF THE PEOPLE RAPPING TODAY. THE SICCNESS' TITLE "THE LAST REMAINING SANCTUARY FOR GANGSTA RAP"? WELL UHH, GUESS WHO BASICALLY STARTED GANGSTA RAP.
JUST THINK:WITH OUT EAZY, 2PAC MIGHT HAVE NEVER EVEN STARTED RAPPING. HE PAVED THE WAY FOR MOST OF THE PEOPLE RAPPING TODAY. THE SICCNESS' TITLE "THE LAST REMAINING SANCTUARY FOR GANGSTA RAP"? WELL UHH, GUESS WHO BASICALLY STARTED GANGSTA RAP.
I see it like this 22_pac would have been a legend even if he didnt rap. Biggie with all repect would just be a dude. Yes biggie was good but I do think that the Eastcoast boosted him up almost to his downfall. The east coast makes good music but there mediocre at best when compared with rappers from around the states (bay area) The only thing they have are there (BET) radio shows ect. if 106 &park is based in new york of course there gonna want to play there own local shit thats why you got little girls running around memorizing 50 cent songs.. If 106 & park was in oakland everybody in the country would be up on some real shit. The east always alays always always always has biased towards there artists but as soon as I say " there artists cant fuck with the "bay" I get percecuted. FUCK THAT SHIT. they both died before there time but.........................BIGGIE isnt still "alive" pac faked his death he's in cuba.
^^^^^^^^thats what happens when a legend dies.
^^^^^^^^thats what happens when a legend dies.
I see it like this 2_pac would have been a legend even if he didnt rap. Biggie with all repect would just be a dude. Yes biggie was good but I do think that the Eastcoast boosted him up almost to his downfall. The east coast makes good music but there mediocre at best when compared with rappers from around the states (bay area) The only thing they have are there (BET) radio shows ect. if 106 &park is based in new york of course there gonna want to play there own local shit thats why you got little girls running around memorizing 50 cent songs.. If 106 & park was in oakland everybody in the country would be up on some real shit. The east always alays always always always has biased towards there artists but as soon as I say " there artists cant fuck with the "bay" I get percecuted. FUCK THAT SHIT. they both died before there time but.........................BIGGIE isnt still "alive" pac faked his death he's in cuba.
^^^^^^^^thats what happens when a legend dies.
^^^^^^^^thats what happens when a legend dies.
I think it all comes down to potential -
Biggie had a shitload of potential. When he died, we were deprived of that potential and we were left asking "what if he was still alive...he would have got better and torn shit up".
2Pac (IMO) had more potential than Biggie - more insight, more music, etc. (And i'm from the East). Everybody has an artist that they feel more than the other, so lets not get into that.
Big L had fucking amazing potential. You take a guy who says "I'm quick to bash a goon and break a motherfucker like a plastic spoon" or "Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butthead" - I mean come on, that's fucking nasty as hell. Look at all of that wasted potential.
Now look at the one's who were supposed to be "the next 2Pac" - DMX, Jay Z, Nas, whoever - As they progressed (with the exception of maybe Jay Z) their music got worse - not better. If they had died at the peak of their career we'd see their "potential". Since they continued, we realized that they were runing out of shit to say, or running out of creativity, or whatever - and suddenly they're fallible and human and not legendary and capable of making mistakes.
You kill someone at their peak, you see their potential. You let someone get past their peak, and you realize everyone has a hotspot in their career.
Having said all that - I dont think 2Pac was a fluke. I think if he continued making music it would have consistently got better. I don't know about Biggie or Big L. But i know that's true iwth 2Pac. Take other rappers - they drop something trendy and then just get worst. If you would have killed DMX right after "Its Dark and Hell is Hot" before the fame got to his head - he'd have been a fucking legend. Look at him now - i'd pee in his mouth in public for making such bad music.
Its alllllllll about potential.
Biggie had a shitload of potential. When he died, we were deprived of that potential and we were left asking "what if he was still alive...he would have got better and torn shit up".
2Pac (IMO) had more potential than Biggie - more insight, more music, etc. (And i'm from the East). Everybody has an artist that they feel more than the other, so lets not get into that.
Big L had fucking amazing potential. You take a guy who says "I'm quick to bash a goon and break a motherfucker like a plastic spoon" or "Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butthead" - I mean come on, that's fucking nasty as hell. Look at all of that wasted potential.
Now look at the one's who were supposed to be "the next 2Pac" - DMX, Jay Z, Nas, whoever - As they progressed (with the exception of maybe Jay Z) their music got worse - not better. If they had died at the peak of their career we'd see their "potential". Since they continued, we realized that they were runing out of shit to say, or running out of creativity, or whatever - and suddenly they're fallible and human and not legendary and capable of making mistakes.
You kill someone at their peak, you see their potential. You let someone get past their peak, and you realize everyone has a hotspot in their career.
Having said all that - I dont think 2Pac was a fluke. I think if he continued making music it would have consistently got better. I don't know about Biggie or Big L. But i know that's true iwth 2Pac. Take other rappers - they drop something trendy and then just get worst. If you would have killed DMX right after "Its Dark and Hell is Hot" before the fame got to his head - he'd have been a fucking legend. Look at him now - i'd pee in his mouth in public for making such bad music.
Its alllllllll about potential.
and that remark about east coast artist being mediocre at best is not true...i think east coast artists lyrics get put under a microscope more so than other regions. niggas be quick to say fat joe and 50 aint got lyrics but then say Game or Yuk or whoever is the truth...when in reality they on the same level, lyrically. rap is becoming more and more about the hype...that hype be having people thinking cats really got lyrics. lyrics went out with the 90's...dont get me wrong, there are cats who are lyrical but they damn sure aint in the mainstream...except for a small number of cats[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY:tHEY DAM SURE AINT IN THE MAINSTREAM! THEY AINT IN VIDEOS. WHAT IM SAYIN IS THE MEDIA IS BASED IN NEWYORK THEREFORE THEY GET UNDESERVED CREDIDATION THEY PLAY HOMETEAM. yES MOST ARTIST ARE ON A SIMILAR LEVEL BUT YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW. iNSTEAD OF PUTTIN OUT OTHER GOOD SHIT THEY'LL FLOOD THE MARKET WIT BUBBLE GUM SHIT. yEA i CAN SAY yuk IS THE TRUTH CAUSE HE IS LIKE YOU SAID ONE THE SAME LEVEL. IMO MUCH RAWER THEN ANY FAT JOE 50 ANYBODY. sINCE HE AINT IN THE MAINSTREAM i CAN SAY THAT. BUT THE ONES WHO ARE IN THE SPOTLIGHT PUTTIN OUT BULLSHIT THATS WHY THEY CAN NEVER BE THE TRUTH.
(AND LET MY MAIN POINT BE THIS)
BIGGIE IS A LEGEND CAUSE WE TALKIN ABOUT HIM.
2PAC AND BIGGIE SHARE THE SAME LIGHT SINCE THEIR DEATHS WERE INTERTWIND. tHEREFORE ONE CANT BE A LEGEND WQITHOUT THE OTHER.
FINALLY 2PAC IS MORE OF A LEGEND CAUSE PEOPLE THINNK HE'S STILL ALIVE PERIOD. yOU DONT HERE FOLKS TALKIN BOUT YEA i SEEN BIGGIE AT THE SMORGY BOB, DO YOU?
EXACTLY:tHEY DAM SURE AINT IN THE MAINSTREAM! THEY AINT IN VIDEOS. WHAT IM SAYIN IS THE MEDIA IS BASED IN NEWYORK THEREFORE THEY GET UNDESERVED CREDIDATION THEY PLAY HOMETEAM. yES MOST ARTIST ARE ON A SIMILAR LEVEL BUT YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW. iNSTEAD OF PUTTIN OUT OTHER GOOD SHIT THEY'LL FLOOD THE MARKET WIT BUBBLE GUM SHIT. yEA i CAN SAY yuk IS THE TRUTH CAUSE HE IS LIKE YOU SAID ONE THE SAME LEVEL. IMO MUCH RAWER THEN ANY FAT JOE 50 ANYBODY. sINCE HE AINT IN THE MAINSTREAM i CAN SAY THAT. BUT THE ONES WHO ARE IN THE SPOTLIGHT PUTTIN OUT BULLSHIT THATS WHY THEY CAN NEVER BE THE TRUTH.
(AND LET MY MAIN POINT BE THIS)
BIGGIE IS A LEGEND CAUSE WE TALKIN ABOUT HIM.
2PAC AND BIGGIE SHARE THE SAME LIGHT SINCE THEIR DEATHS WERE INTERTWIND. tHEREFORE ONE CANT BE A LEGEND WQITHOUT THE OTHER.
FINALLY 2PAC IS MORE OF A LEGEND CAUSE PEOPLE THINNK HE'S STILL ALIVE PERIOD. yOU DONT HERE FOLKS TALKIN BOUT YEA i SEEN BIGGIE AT THE SMORGY BOB, DO YOU?
I agree with that.
But I dont think 2Pac is a legend because people think he's still alive. I think that definatley added to his legendary status, but that's not the reason. I thought 2Pac was fucking amazing when he was still alive. He has HUNDREDS of unreleased songs, DOZENS of CDs, and all of them with CONTENT. It kinda sounds like you're simplifying the whole thing down to "people think he's alive, so that's why".
But I dont think 2Pac is a legend because people think he's still alive. I think that definatley added to his legendary status, but that's not the reason. I thought 2Pac was fucking amazing when he was still alive. He has HUNDREDS of unreleased songs, DOZENS of CDs, and all of them with CONTENT. It kinda sounds like you're simplifying the whole thing down to "people think he's alive, so that's why".
Pac is a legend because he put out good music, had a significant buzz surrounding his name, and he had that ability to bring you into his world with is lyrics. Biggie is also a legend for the same reason.
but i also think Pac's record label contributed a lot to his Legend...all that non-music related bullshit added to pac's legend...including the label starting the rumor about pac being still alive (that's fuckin genius)
but i also think Pac's record label contributed a lot to his Legend...all that non-music related bullshit added to pac's legend...including the label starting the rumor about pac being still alive (that's fuckin genius)