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Cmoke said:
well i am not educated enough in the message of the Quaran to be able to really justify, however i know that christianity says that God created the world in 7 days.....he created the air the trees the poeple etc.....

evolutionary theory would not support the act of 1 person creating the entire world by himself, instead the existing matter and transformation of molocules and so on...
I can tell you this that the Quran says that God created the earth in 6 days. I wish i can break it down for you more but i dont know alot more than that. But ive heard people talk about it and its interesting about how when going at a fast rate for instance the speed of light everything around you slows down (Infact the speed of light can be derived from some number stated in the Quran), i dunno i cant really answer that question because i dont want to be wrong in trying to explain something. But when you say "existing matter" where did that come from?
 
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Cmoke said:
well i am not educated enough in the message of the Quaran to be able to really justify, however i know that christianity says that God created the world in 7 days.....he created the air the trees the poeple etc.....

evolutionary theory would not support the act of 1 person creating the entire world by himself, instead the existing matter and transformation of molocules and so on...
Actually, evolutionary theory does not conflict with Christianity, but that all depends on what type of Christian you are. Catholic/Orthodox doctrine for example does not conflict with evolutionary theory, (as stated by the Pope John Paul II). In those particular sects of Christianity, the bible is not taken literaly, so Genisis can be a poetic/figurative account of Evolution. But the important ideal that separates an Atheist accepting the theory of evolution, and a believer, is that the believer believes that God set up the earth to act in such a manner where evolution would occur.
The Quran contains some text that imply that a big bang occured, The universe was produced by a "big bang" (Quran 21:30) (Quran 41:11), there are many other instances in the Quran that dont conflict with evolutionary theory.
 
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a couple folx on here already said y i think theres a god. like cocaleafs said, EVERYTHING that moves has electricity powering it. everything wireless or cordless has batteries, animals and humans do not. something in us is powering us. also about tha big bang and pieces being blown, how is it that tha planets are damn near perfectly round? and moving around tha earth with such precision?

me personally, i feel god or heaven might be on tha other side of tha sun. tha only way to get there is thru spiritual form, cuz spirits cant burn. maybe thats tha key to heaven. tha sun provides energy and heat. essential for us. scientists say that tha sun is a ball of energy and gases that burn, wtf? nobody questions it cuz nobody REALLY knows, so we jus take it with a grain of salt. how tha fucc gas from NOWHERE gonna keep burnin and have perfectly round planet revolve around it for millions of years?

i've had times i talked to God and hes answered prayers. a couple times in jail and prison. i don't believe in labeling him GOD, but i do think there's a higher being. fold.
 
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When you can lay back completely sober and just feel amazing. Blessed through faith. There's no other feeling like it. That's why as a human in the flesh, I do believe that this life is only temporary. This life is for us to prove we can do good and be guided into another world, an after life per say. If you honestly believed that this was all there was to life, I don't see how you could accept that? I mean, the world as we see it. Everyone who is born, dies.

There is something higher, another level of life.
 
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i agree with what most of you have said about why god IS real, also, who would make up such a thing, and if it was made up, why would people be so willing to follow it and die for it even, i also heard that there is actually a part of your brain responsible for your spiritual side and shit like that, if that is true, why would sumthing like that come about by chance?
 
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Mr. Samos said:
There is something higher, another level of life.
prove it. not being able to prove it is enough proof for me not to believe that.

dont waste your time here now for thinking so, in other words, get what u want to get done and accomplished while you are here...cuz as far as im concerned you live, you die, your body decomposes and that is all. nothing more...untill somone can PROVE that is not the case...people will keep rotting in the ground..
 
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thatguy said:
i agree with what most of you have said about why god IS real, also, who would make up such a thing, and if it was made up, why would people be so willing to follow it and die for it even, i also heard that there is actually a part of your brain responsible for your spiritual side and shit like that, if that is true, why would sumthing like that come about by chance?

why would somone make it up? just a guess, but possibly because the world would seem much more worthless than it does....without people being brainwashed with a security blanket....people that cant accept the fact that life is pointless and meaningless, and the fact that people cant accept that, creates i higher "hope" I try to look at the world in the most realistic form. and that doesnt not involve a god or an afterlife.
 
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Cmoke said:
why would somone make it up? just a guess, but possibly because the world would seem much more worthless than it does....without people being brainwashed with a security blanket....people that cant accept the fact that life is pointless and meaningless, and the fact that people cant accept that, creates i higher "hope" I try to look at the world in the most realistic form. and that doesnt not involve a god or an afterlife.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses"

People believe in religion because its the easy choice. What is easier to accept; 1 - there is no afterlife and our lives here are essentially pointless, there is no reward for doing good, and that all your pain and suffering was for nothing 0r 2 - there is an afterlife and meaning to our current physical lives?

I personally will belive in God/Religion/Afterlife when it is not the easy choice.
 
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Mr. Nice Guy said:
"Religion is the opiate of the masses"

People believe in religion because its the easy choice. What is easier to accept; 1 - there is no afterlife and our lives here are essentially pointless, there is no reward for doing good, and that all your pain and suffering was for nothing 0r 2 - there is an afterlife and meaning to our current physical lives?

I personally will belive in God/Religion/Afterlife when it is not the easy choice.
I don't see it as an easy or difficult choice. In liberal Seattle, San Francisco, or London, there is a dearth of information, backing, and support for the idea that religion is bullshit. In this envrionment it is much "harder" to espouse religion given social pressures and the ease of conformity. Or, I should say, harder than Oklahoma.

To say that religion is a cop-out or the result of mental complacency rejects the myriad contributions of religion to modern thought and social institutions, as well as the contributions of those of us who are religious. Denial of the value of religion in a postmodern world is naught less than oversimplification; many of the concepts that are propped up on these boards, for example, have their most solid support and codification in major world religions.

Furthermore, the form of mental gymnastics many here adhere to in support of a clearly faulty idea (Cuba is a free country, Saddam Hussein was a good man, every American effort is born of genuine evil, it is better to be born in X Muslim country than live in the US) could be seen as a form of religion, especially if the definition of religion is steadfast belief in a concept that denies evidence and logic.
 
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Cmoke said:
why would somone make it up? just a guess, but possibly because the world would seem much more worthless than it does....without people being brainwashed with a security blanket....people that cant accept the fact that life is pointless and meaningless, and the fact that people cant accept that, creates i higher "hope" I try to look at the world in the most realistic form. and that doesnt not involve a god or an afterlife.
what if yur wrong though?
 

I AM

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Even though most people on here would call me Atheist, I think there is a force that controls the universe. I wouldn't necessarily call it "god" and I definately wouldn't refer to this force as a "him" or "her." There's a thing called energy and it doesn't die. Every living thing is made up of energy, I guess it just depends on how you relate your experiences in life to things you cannot see. I've had some experiences in my life where I know there's something going on that isn't natural or something that wouldn't normally happen to me. To say that there is one being is a little off base in my opinion because if "God" is represented as a bright light you cannot look into, that's energy, light. And since every living thing is made up of energy, one could make the argument that "God" made it....Even though I feel otherwise. If there is a "creator" it's not one being, it's the entire universe as a whole. "Everything is everything."

As far as making up God to make people happy, shit that's another very plausible idea. And to say that it cannot be true is ignorant, there's a possiblity of everything. There could be a God, but that doesn't mean there is just cause there could be. I could go pimp hoes and become a millionaire from it, but that doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Fuck, for all we know, aliens could have started our universe from another dimension as an experiment to see how long we could live, or if life would even be sustained. NOBODY KNOWS anything 100%.
 

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WHITE DEVIL said:
I don't see it as an easy or difficult choice. In liberal Seattle, San Francisco, or London, there is a dearth of information, backing, and support for the idea that religion is bullshit. In this envrionment it is much "harder" to espouse religion given social pressures and the ease of conformity. Or, I should say, harder than Oklahoma.

To say that religion is a cop-out or the result of mental complacency rejects the myriad contributions of religion to modern thought and social institutions, as well as the contributions of those of us who are religious. Denial of the value of religion in a postmodern world is naught less than oversimplification; many of the concepts that are propped up on these boards, for example, have their most solid support and codification in major world religions.

Furthermore, the form of mental gymnastics many here adhere to in support of a clearly faulty idea (Cuba is a free country, Saddam Hussein was a good man, every American effort is born of genuine evil, it is better to be born in X Muslim country than live in the US) could be seen as a form of religion, especially if the definition of religion is steadfast belief in a concept that denies evidence and logic.
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how many fortys have you gone thru today edj? a thought for the general public- there is alot of things that you cant prove. how do you know your mom loves you, because she said it? have you ever been able to put it in your pocket and take it with you. how do you know that your wife loves you, because she fucks you? are there no such thing as prostitutes that fuck just for money. sometimes you just feel certain things, and if somebody feels like there is a higher power, wether is is allah, god, jehovah, etc, its all good. if there are atheist, most feel like there is no god because they dont want to believe in everything they hear. i dont blame them for that, religions are so curupted now a days, that sometimes its just easier to not believe. dont know, maybe it all only makes sense in my head. drink up.
 

Cmoke

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EDJ said:
^SO IN OTHA WORDS YOU FEEL THIS LIFE IS WORTHLESS AND AIN'T WORTH LIVIN'?
its definatly worthless other then accomplishing personal goals you set for yourself and making yourself happy, that all you got. i used to think it aint worth livin but since then i have found a new appreciation towards life in general, but i still do believe its pointless other then the points i stated