"White" Rappers in a "Black" Game???

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I think only a racist would see the new sounds coming from around the bay but outside the ghetto as taking their culture. What white folks had that mentallity towards black folks. When
Jackie Robinson wanted to play some white folks acted like black people was taking thier culture away but eventually realized that baseball is something to be shared.

What makes you a valid rapper? Ithink someone whos got flow. They sound good on the mic, and they got good vibes and rythm.

 

[UKantCMe]

lets see your list. Right now I can think of 2: Quinndo and Yukmouth.

of cats thas better than eminem?

aight, in no particular order:

1. E-40
2. C-BO
3. KEAK
4. B-LEGIT
5. MAC DRE
6. YUKMOUTH
7. TOO SHORT
8. SAN QUINN
9. MESSY MARV
10. DELINQUENTS

you can't even argue that em is better than anybody in that list.

now jus as far as shit i personally think is better and would rather listen to....

LUNIZ - should be in the other list
CUTTHOAT COMMITTEE
PSD
CELLSKI
JACKA

...man i could keep goin', but what's the point. and thas not includin cats thats outside of cali either.

 

[SAM SAVAGE]

i see having a personal opinion but come on b-legit,mac dre,
too short these guys make good music but lyricaly there not
nothing to get all excited about..b-legit has been spittin the
same played out lines for 10 years about he's a hogg a str8
savage and so on.....too short is a legend but he is the most
simplistic rapper on earth...how many times you gonna get your
dick sucked or pimp a hoe on a record before it gets played out
imo he should of stayed retired...yukmouth and e-40 are the only
ones on his level and yuk is to busy dissing master p and kissing
j-princes ass to come up with anything half way creative and e-40
think he's the king of crunk right now.......the only ones on em's
level from the bay is Quinn,locksmith and smigg dirtee

 

[UKantCMe]

the only ones on em's
level from the bay is Quinn,locksmith and smigg dirtee

ok, i was gonna respond until you made that statement. but if you think locksmith and smig dirtee are better than my list of 10, hey whatever floats your boat.

 

[MaddDogg]

lol@ B Legit being better then Eminem. I love bay area music but the bottom line is that credit should be given where credit is due. I enjoy all the artists you named, they all got talent on the mic, and they all bring creativity to the game.

Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion so let me start MY OPINION on why 8 of the MCs on your list arent better than Eminem.

C-Bo, Keak da Sneak, Messy Marv- These are definitely talented rappers. C-Bo could be considered one of the OGs of gansta rap in Northern California. However, youll notice that almost all their songs are about gangsterism, the genre they are best at. But you rarely hear them expanding horizons towards other aspects of life. Also, they lack the lyrical skills Eminem possesses, and more over, from some of my experiences with other people around the country, dont really have the charisma/style to differentiate themselves from other rappers (cept Keaks voice).

Mac Dre, E-40- Definitely as creative as Eminem, and have their own distinctive sound and flow but also lack the lyrical skills to match Eminem.

B-Legit, too $hort- Definitely two of the pioneers of the rap game, but you seem to notice the same reoccuring gangster/pimp theme in damn near every song. Their flow is also nearly the same on every track. they lack the versatility that Eminem has on the mic: he can rap to any beat at any pace and with a lot of variation in his voice.

Delinquents- I havent heard there newest album, but in their old albums I heard decent cds with a lot of promise for the future. Saying that, from my experience with the first few delinquent cds and compilation showed me that they are not as advanced lyrically and dont have a flow that blends with the beat.

 

[MaddDogg]

lol@ B Legit being better then Eminem. I love bay area music but the bottom line is that credit should be given where credit is due. I enjoy all the artists you named, they all got talent on the mic, and they all bring creativity to the game.

Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion so let me start MY OPINION on why 8 of the MCs on your list arent better than Eminem.

C-Bo, Keak da Sneak, Messy Marv- These are definitely talented rappers. C-Bo could be considered one of the OGs of gansta rap in Northern California. However, youll notice that almost all their songs are about gangsterism, the genre they are best at. But you rarely hear them expanding horizons towards other aspects of life. Also, they lack the lyrical skills Eminem possesses, and more over, from some of my experiences with other people around the country, dont really have the charisma/style to differentiate themselves from other rappers (cept Keaks voice).

Mac Dre, E-40- Definitely as creative as Eminem, and have their own distinctive sound and flow but also lack the lyrical skills to match Eminem.

B-Legit, too $hort- Definitely two of the pioneers of the rap game, but you seem to notice the same reoccuring gangster/pimp theme in damn near every song. Their flow is also nearly the same on every track. they lack the versatility that Eminem has on the mic: he can rap to any beat at any pace and with a lot of variation in his voice.

Delinquents- I havent heard there newest album, but in their old albums I heard decent cds with a lot of promise for the future. Saying that, from my experience with the first few delinquent cds and compilation showed me that they are not as advanced lyrically and dont have a flow that blends with the beat.

 

[bayGIANTS]

As far as everybody being treated equally......not going to happen. We can't even elect a non-Christian, non-white president around here.

I hardly think you can compare a rapper and a president. I think YOU need work on your analogies.

 

[bayGIANTS]

of cats thas better than eminem?

aight, in no particular order:

1. E-40
2. C-BO
3. KEAK
4. B-LEGIT
5. MAC DRE
6. YUKMOUTH
7. TOO SHORT
8. SAN QUINN
9. MESSY MARV
10. DELINQUENTS

you can't even argue that em is better than anybody in that list.

now jus as far as shit i personally think is better and would rather listen to....

LUNIZ - should be in the other list
CUTTHOAT COMMITTEE
PSD
CELLSKI
JACKA

...man i could keep goin', but what's the point. and thas not includin cats thats outside of cali either.

this cat is exactly the type I was talkin about in one of my posts. extremely biased and narrow minded. It is one thing to say you dont like eminem and that you like all those cats better, but to disregard his skills is just idiotic. You can recognize someone as one of the greatest and not feel them yourself, remember that.

 

[Timstheman415]

Plain and simple fact is, anyone who loves an art would appreciate anyone who genuinely contributed to it. The only reason anyone would want people to be excluded from the art they are in is because they are only thinking about how that person will affect them. So if you are an artist who thinks some types of people should be kept out of the rap game, just admit that the single motivating factor behind that is that you are afraid you will lose money because of their participation. Don't pretend you are trying to conserve your culture.

 

[UKantCMe]

this cat is exactly the type I was talkin about in one of my posts. extremely biased and narrow minded. It is one thing to say you dont like eminem and that you like all those cats better, but to disregard his skills is just idiotic. You can recognize someone as one of the greatest and not feel them yourself, remember that.

don't take this the wrong way... but shut tha fuck up. i never said i didn't like eminem. he's creative, has talent and seems to know how to sell records IMO. my point is that he's not better than 90% of ALL rappers. and you sayin' i'm idiotic, for what? yeah i'm biased to bay shit cuz i grew up on it.

 

[Sydal]

^^^^
Majority rules huh? The MAJORITY of the people in the government want to see rap DISAPPEAR forever...how can you compare government and art?? The 2 are on totally different sides of the spectrum. The fact that we have yet to elect a non-white president doesn't mean white kids shouldn't be able to rap...the 2 have nothing to do with each other whatsoever!!

 

[Silent-One]

on the topic of white rappers in the game...i personally don't give a fuck. if you have the skills go head and put out an album. the bay area itself is very diverse, their are rappers of every race. i wouldn't criticize someone based on their skin color...if they can rap, they can rap.

on the Eminem topic: i strongly feel that Eminem is 90% better than all other rappers. he might not be in my top ten but he has contributed so much to the rap game. he damn near kept it alive (besides the underground). straight up, the man can rap, produce and act. he is one of very few mainstream artists that i can accept.

 

[bayGIANTS]

^^exaclty, dont get mad tadou cause you found yourself guilty of the same thing you accused me of.

ukantcme- dont worry, I'll take it the right way. when you say some cats are better that arent even close(although I like most of them a lot) but you clame it cant even be argued is idiotic to me. If I were to say that puff daddy is a better rapper than san quinn, you would call me an idiot. but if I were to say that I like him better, well, I might still be an idiot but at least it is an opinion that I would have no problem having people disagreeing with me. so if you really think that all those cats unarguably better than eminem, I WILL have to call you an idiot. If you just like them better, then I could understand that.

 

[UKantCMe]

lol@ B Legit being better then Eminem. I love bay area music but the bottom line is that credit should be given where credit is due. I enjoy all the artists you named, they all got talent on the mic, and they all bring creativity to the game.

uhhhh.... i'm not takin credit from eminem. IMO legit is tighter and always will be. i'm GIVIN credit to legit.

C-Bo, Keak da Sneak, Messy Marv- These are definitely talented rappers. C-Bo could be considered one of the OGs of gansta rap in Northern California. However, youll notice that almost all their songs are about gangsterism, the genre they are best at. But you rarely hear them expanding horizons towards other aspects of life. Also, they lack the lyrical skills Eminem possesses, and more over, from some of my experiences with other people around the country, dont really have the charisma/style to differentiate themselves from other rappers (cept Keaks voice).

WHAT!? mess and keak definitely got a unique style. they got style and charisma if you actually listen to what they be sayin'.

no offense, but you cats are funny. in the 90's, bay rap was more thuggish/gangsterism or whatever you wanna call it right? thats back when muthafuckas was makin slap music. i don't know but where i'm from we liked slumped that shit. NOW, when the mainstream shit changed you funny ass cats wanna start talkin bout how the bay is too "gangsterish".... "they don't have the lyrical skills...." shut that shit up. that shit is funny to me cuz you just as brainwashed as all these other cats thas ridin around bumpin dipset and 50 cent. i'm willin to bet all my eggs that if they bay was still puttin out similar shit to the what was "slap" in the 90's AND that shit was on your radio all day AND that shit was in heavy rotation on MTV, you wouldn't be talkin about they "dont really have the charisma/style to differentiate themselves from other rappers (cept Keaks voice)". YOU COULDN'T, cuz that's what everybody would be bumpin'. you muthafuckas kill me.

and on another note i'm tired of people bitchin about bay music needs to change.... bay artists don't have the lyrical skills the mainstream artists posess.... the only reason you know eminem is cuz he's mainstream. if he was still underground i really don't think anybody would consider him the standard that other artists are measured against. one day ya'll gonna realize mainstream artists are mainstream cuz of their skills.

here's an example...

our country is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) manufacturer of genetically modified food. ITS NOT CUZ GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD/ANIMALS ARE BETTER FOR US.

here's another one...

Ludacris is mainstream. does anybody really think he can rap, at all? NO, but he makes his label lots of money. all cuz he's funny. look at his videos and album covers, tha nikka looks more like a cartoon than a real person.

Mac Dre, E-40- Definitely as creative as Eminem, and have their own distinctive sound and flow but also lack the lyrical skills to match Eminem.

honestly, i don't know any rapper wit a bigger vocabulary than 40. i really don't. and you wanna talk about versatility. everybody on my list got tracks on there cd's at all different tempos. except maybe al boo boo... and after listenin' to "the show" the first time, i got tired of em's voice cuz he starts to sound the same. even his new shit on the radio now, got the same melody as some of his other shit. and you talkin bout how the artists on my list "expanding horizons" and "other aspects of life".... is it me or does em talk more shit than anybody in the industry? if he aint beefin on wax then he's talkin about one of the 3 females in his life. so if thats expanding to you, i hope the bay NEVER expands.

 

[UKantCMe]

...how many times you gonna get your
dick sucked or pimp a hoe on a record before it gets played out

boss will never play out to me.

...yuk is to busy dissing master p ...

and em is too busy talkin shit bout everybody else in tha gahdam industry. what's your point?

 

[UKantCMe]

i'm a do what i do. ya'll do what ya'll do....

SUPPORT MAINSTREAM RAP!

 

[MaddDogg]

Again you seem to be putting words in my mouth. I have well over 400 bay area cds and been listening for years and think there are plenty of tight artists in the bay area. I have a cd from every artist i mentioned. Copium was a dope album, I liked Al Boo Boo too and a bunch of other cds from those artists. Unfortunately for you, I DONT think bay area rap is saturated with gangsterism, but understand that there are certain artists in the bay who do gangster rap. Like I said, I think Yuk and Quinn are better rappers. I think that lyrically both of them are read hot and have been spittin rhymes with their own flow and got murderous lyrics. Hopefully Quinn is on the comeup as he seems to be getting quite a bit of exposure, Yukmouth also may strike it big down the line. There are dozens of bay artists I like, but that doesnt mean that they stack the lists of hop greats.

 

[Silent-One]

@ E40's vocabulary being bigger. he makes words up, go figure. Thats is not an insult. The man is a major factor in this Bay Area game.

 

[UKantCMe]

he makes words up but he also uses real words. and he also makes up words from bigger words or just uses bigger words differently than how they're supposed to be used.

i consider that "lyrical skills" and "different" from any other artist. it takes some talent to be able to twist up a whole language like that and have it appeal to so many people.

 

[Blackjack 1577]

Eminem has got some talent, but he's overrated as hell, he definitely ain't as tight as some folks say he is. Tha only folks that think he's tha tightest rapper in tha game are whiteboys!!! Just take a look at all tha Eminem threads that come up, 98% of tha fools defending his ass are white, what does that tell you? It's because they see a member of their race who makes it big in tha rap game and becomes successful, so there real quick to defend his ass and hype him up. It's tha same shit in every single Eminem thread, even though this thread didn't start out as one!!!