People aren't up on him cuz there isn't really a forum on here that touches on more positive hip hop music on this board, I think its about time we had one cuz I want to be up on that shit. I just got that Zion 1 and the Grouch CD the other day and I'm lovin it, I think i'm gonna start getting more stuff like that and keep the gangster shit on the shelf cuz most of that shit is wack anyways