Whats really ruining Hip Hop?
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I have stopped listening to radio and watching music videos on TV for more than 8 years
all I rely on for finding good music is the internet
and I still can't see the enormous amount of quality hip-hop that you claim that exists, no matter how hard I'm trying
so there ,ust be some other reason other than good music just not being on the radio
rap is fine... the new Clipse project is gonna be tight (they're always on MTV)... Kev Brown and his MPC are kinda nice... Too Short and Casual killed it on Rap City's 'Bay Show'... and DJ Shadow's '3 Freaks' was shittin' on fools... don't sleep!!!... the music, the sound, and the culture are in good hands...
i have never had a problem finding good music...or at least music i like. cant say its good cause probably 90% of the people on this board arent feeling the shit i listen to. maybe people need to just broaden your tastes a little bit. stop shuttin off one kind of sound or the other. "backpack" wasnt always my thing...i was on the gangsta tip just like most cats on this board. once i developed a taste for the sound it opened up a endless amount of new music to me.
@ ThaG...maybe you just need to try a whole different genre of music. i honestly have no idea what the fuck you listen to cause i have never seen you say one positive thing about ANY kind of rap music,haha. you hate mainstream,you diss backpack shit...cant figure you out. im just jokin by the way,not attacking you or anything.
on a side note...props to lordbyron for knowing who kev brown is...love his production. his last album was some straight laid back good hip hop
@ ThaG...maybe you just need to try a whole different genre of music. i honestly have no idea what the fuck you listen to cause i have never seen you say one positive thing about ANY kind of rap music,haha. you hate mainstream,you diss backpack shit...cant figure you out. im just jokin by the way,not attacking you or anything.
on a side note...props to lordbyron for knowing who kev brown is...love his production. his last album was some straight laid back good hip hop
Hip hop is too trendy...the mainstream, which is shit music, rides trends that they find from lesser known songs. they just copy each other until it cant be used anymore. its too commercialized, is the problem. most mainstream artists are complete tools of the label theyre on. everything mainstream in hip hop has become disposable and temporary.
I hate the mainstream, that's understandable; but I haven't always hated backpack, it's just that IMO bullshit like Anticon, Sage Francis and others is too far from the true hip-hop form the same artists claim to be so true to; with time the style of those "rappers" became synonnimous with backpack and the more and more backpackers apperaed, the more wack music was released; that turned me off backpack; you can't claim you're the real hip-hop and in the same time do shitty music
and just because you ask - besides mainstream and backpack there's also the hard gansgta shit; that's what I listen to but it's getting too hard to find today as even real underground rappers tend to sound more mainstream than underground...
To me, what's ruining hip-hop is a lack of fun and too many people trying to be something they aren't. For example, ppl would really hate on DJ Webstar (cat who made "Chicken Noodle Soup"), I don't really have a problem with him - homie's making fun music to dance to, and he isn't disrespecting women or praising violence in the process (that's how his whole CD is too, Caught In The Web - great production, fun music, well what I've heard anyway). Meanwhile, tons of ppl out there are busy trying to prove how hard they are, or how how bitches they f***, or how many guns they own...what I think the problem is with hip-hop is that ppl are trying too hard
Man, one thing I gotta give some props to is to the folks on the Siccness who are definitely speakin their deepest views on what's goin on with hiphop today cuz I truly reely feel the same way too!! Hip hop aint the same like it once was in the late 80's-mid 90's...
But what's so disgraceful is that when you post this serious topic on Myspace, which is very much overrunned with mainstream music fans, you'll wonder what kind of other perspectives you'll see when these kids reply to it..
...it'll basically be sorta the opposite from what you'll normally see here...
People rather avoid your thread & go talk about nonsense shit like when's
K-Fed's album coming about, or Cam'ron should be the king of NY, fuck Jay-Z,
or "I can't wait to hear that new 2-Pac album "Pac's Life'; see what I mean???
TV is totally washing people up too!!
Too many people depend on TV too much to see what's tight & what's hot!!...
But what's so disgraceful is that when you post this serious topic on Myspace, which is very much overrunned with mainstream music fans, you'll wonder what kind of other perspectives you'll see when these kids reply to it..
...it'll basically be sorta the opposite from what you'll normally see here...
People rather avoid your thread & go talk about nonsense shit like when's
K-Fed's album coming about, or Cam'ron should be the king of NY, fuck Jay-Z,
or "I can't wait to hear that new 2-Pac album "Pac's Life'; see what I mean???
TV is totally washing people up too!!
Too many people depend on TV too much to see what's tight & what's hot!!...
I don't know what rap y'all have been listening too, but I see shit getting better. y'all are acting like in order for something to be good it can't go (multi)plat or be on the radio. there has to be a balance. you can't dance to MF Doom, and you can't be impressed by what young joc says. but the opposite is true for them. I don't think the quality of music is as good as the mid 90s, but its a whole lot better than the late 90s and early 2000. Music will never be as good as it was 10 years ago. that goes for any genre, all loyalists to a style of music will always say that the past albums are better than the current ones.
i am a fan of gangsta rap and trap music. but that is starting to go away. I really dont think its cool to commit crime over colors or territory's. If u really think about it, its fucked up. I can really get my ass kicked or even shot at for listening to MC Super Crip(example) in a blood nieghborhood or vice versa. Do any of yall actually think thats ok? I dont. Thats the reason y i like some more of the south music. But yet n still some south artists claim to shoot your ass off too. I hope some of yall think that its gettin kinda old.
The real mc's aren't getting the proper luv, period. i mean, i've copped descent albums throughout the year. of course the mainstream shit is garbage, but just because you dont hear suga free, cormege, mob figaz, etc... on the radio, it doenst mean you cant slap it in your deck. on some real shit, its to many sucka mc's using this rap shit to make millions, who probaly were rnb singers that an anr noticed and realized cuddie had the Gangsta rap look to him.
It's the fans that ruin hip hop... Even the fans that say they listen and support real hip hop still had their friend burn the new Roots album, Heroes in the City of Dope, Lupe, and the list goes on... If people don't buy the album, then the "underground" hip hop artists we all "real" hip hop are not gonna make it and all we will hear on the radio and television is 101 rappers with the first part of their name being "Young"...
That pretty much sums it up right there. I came up on 90's rap and it will probably never be matched.
I dont have an answer to the original question, but I dont really listen to commercial rap anymore besides a few artists. Hal;f the stuff that is "wrong" with hip hop I never see or hear becuase I dont watch videos and damn sure dont listen to the radio.
^i remember in the late 80s early 90s rap was really terrible aside from a couple acts, it was reborn with the gangster shit and it was hot for awhile but it got stale then the east coast came back and they were hot doin their thing for a minute then they got cold than the sounth and midwest are having their timei right now but that shit is starting to get old now too so something else will shake up the scene pretty soon. Musuic just moves in cycles like now I think most rock music ain't what it used to be like alll the rockers have that emo look and carry themselves like a bunch of wusses cuz its girls that are buying the music. Only a handful of those bands are actually good and the others are just cheap copycats.
The music industry doesn't control what you, or any artist gives the people. With things like the internet and cheap technology it's easier to create music and get it to an audience now more than ever. The music industry can't stop you from doing it yourself.
Now... From a business standpoint, the same things that made hiphop music great (meaning profittable) are the same things that kill it because it's an unavoidable double-edged sword.
Technology is a great tool for people who know how to utilize it but it also makes it far too easy to create music, which gives the average (ie: non-musically-talented) person a false-hope of having a career as a recording artist rather then get a 9-5...like the average person.
The internet is a great for communicating with the fans and getting direct feedback... And makes it far too easy to distribute garbage.
Corporate dollars have enabled hiphop music to become a viable & profittable industry. It also has a serious influence on the market and preys on the publics lack of ability to decide for themselves what they like and want.
What has ruined hiphop the most? The typical idiot who can't/doesn't think for themselves and survives only on the spoon-fed bullshit commercialism provides them. When people quit being stupid the industry will quit taking advantage of their stupidity.
One last thing... Quit expecting so much from rappers. Music IS a form of entertainment no matter how much you want to argue otherwise. If you believe it's not then you're just as foolish as the kid who buys his music based on the MTV top 10 countdown. What's real is money and as long as a person can entertain others and get their money on, you can't say shit!
Now... From a business standpoint, the same things that made hiphop music great (meaning profittable) are the same things that kill it because it's an unavoidable double-edged sword.
Technology is a great tool for people who know how to utilize it but it also makes it far too easy to create music, which gives the average (ie: non-musically-talented) person a false-hope of having a career as a recording artist rather then get a 9-5...like the average person.
The internet is a great for communicating with the fans and getting direct feedback... And makes it far too easy to distribute garbage.
Corporate dollars have enabled hiphop music to become a viable & profittable industry. It also has a serious influence on the market and preys on the publics lack of ability to decide for themselves what they like and want.
What has ruined hiphop the most? The typical idiot who can't/doesn't think for themselves and survives only on the spoon-fed bullshit commercialism provides them. When people quit being stupid the industry will quit taking advantage of their stupidity.
One last thing... Quit expecting so much from rappers. Music IS a form of entertainment no matter how much you want to argue otherwise. If you believe it's not then you're just as foolish as the kid who buys his music based on the MTV top 10 countdown. What's real is money and as long as a person can entertain others and get their money on, you can't say shit!