Whats really ruining Hip Hop?

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8FIVE8

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Is it the South and the whole Trap era?
The Bloods and Crips?
Gangsta Rap?
Payola? aka Radio/MTV/BET pay offs?
Real MC's not releasing material?
Dr. Dre's inconsistance?
Eminem not releasing shit?
Tight rappers that have sorry albums?

Or is Hip Hop getting better and rebuilding itself with all the changing?
 
BETO916

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8FIVE8 said:
Payola? aka Radio/MTV/BET pay offs?
Real MC's not putting out GOOD MATERIAL
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there are numerous reasons for hip hop's recent rash of blazay artists.

the INDUSTRY control of what we as artists are allowed to give the people HAS TO STOP.

just think, if companies gave as much push and exposure to artists with more of a concious subject matter, things might be a little different out in the world.
 
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^^
That basically summed it all up. Its funny bc majors want to blame the internet when in reality tahst bullshit bc if anything the internet helps artist to the fullest especially underground artist like Beto and myself.
 
OG_Carl_Weather

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Niggaz aint buyin albums thats whats happenin. Females are buyin em so the industry wants to make money. They makin everyone put these faggot ass songs on their albums. Like Nas said "I miss the days when the girls didnt wanna listen to rap they hated it, they wanted to listen to Keith Sweat or shit like that. Rap was ours."
 
BETO916

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treal spill...the net allows the artist to be CLOSER to the fans. shit, RIGHT NOW tech9 is in the strange music forum getting feedback. the companies are just concerned with what's going to make them IMMEDIATE $$$$. They dont DEVELOP artists anymore, they set them up to fail.

you HAVE to get on this INDEPENDENT grind mane. you HAVE to make noise in your own town before you can tackle other areas, and the NET is PERFECT for that.

for instance, I've met artists, producers, managers, and label heads on the net, and have had INSTANT results when dealing with them. matter of fact, DJ LOON (KC siccness.net VET) was the FIRST cat to put me on wax. I've been doing my music for YEARS, but it took a cat from Kansas to recognize, and put a brotha on. THAT's the BEAUTY of the NET. I'm REALLY choppin' it up with REAL individuals, and not middlemen. NOTHING to get lost inbetween, na mean?

the record companies will have you believe that you NEED them MORE then they NEED YOU, which is far from the truth. without the artist, who are the companies going to sell??

do your own thing, make good music, treat people with respect, and the world is at your feet.
 
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ThaG

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OG_Carl_Weather said:
Niggaz aint buyin albums thats whats happenin. Females are buyin em so the industry wants to make money. They makin everyone put these faggot ass songs on their albums. Like Nas said "I miss the days when the girls didnt wanna listen to rap they hated it, they wanted to listen to Keith Sweat or shit like that. Rap was ours."
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that's very true

actually there is some improvement because IMO rap was at its worst around 2001-2003 with all the Ja Rule/Ashanti corny singing and sugar-coated hooks; we still have too much of it with bullshit like Akon and T-Pain but if anything, the trap, crunk and snap music and The South in general helped get rid of at least some of this crap

the second thing that ruins hip-hop are mixtapes and the practice of releasing 5 albums every year; nobody can drop 3 albums and 5 mixtapes in just 12 motnhs and make them all masterpieces; also, if you look carefully at hip-hop history you'll see that as the quality of albums decreased, the number of tracks went up

which answers the question what and when went wrong - when No Limit were releasing 20 albums a year, each filled with 22 tracks (usually 5 tight and 15 filler plus 2 skits) and going platinum with half of them, many artists started doing the same and this started to change only recently - now they're releasing 12-15-track albums with 2 tight tracks and 10 filler which is even worse...

the second factor that contributed was the increasing influence of MTV and BET which shifted the focus from releasing strong albums to making the hit single and just filling the rest of the album with 70 minutes of music...
 
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it is more the first than the second

two reasons:

1. a lot of the music from back in the days that is so highly respected actually WAS ON MTV back then, while all the shit that's on MTV today sucks

2. a lot of the underground hip-hop also sucks today


so the quality has decreased both in the mainstream and underground...
 
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I think theres a lot of good hip hop coming out. Its just that the stuff on radio/mtv/bet is mass marketed and created based on whats popular, whereas the underground stuff is real music by real rap musicians. I also think that there is a small movement that reminisces for the old days that is gaining more ground by the day...
 
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IT'S THE LABELS. THEY WANT TO OVER PROMOTE, AND OVER SATURATE HIP HOP WITH THE SAME KIND OF PRODUCT, IT WEARS OUT FASTER. HIP HOP IS NOT HIP HOP NO MORE, DO TO THE FACT THAT IT'S TOO COMMERCIAL, MEANING, INSTEAD OF MAKING WHAT WE KNOW THAT USED TO BE HIP HOP, THEY WANT A GIMMICK, SOMETHING THAT APPEALS TO PEOPLE, NOT WORRYING ABOUT HOW GOOD THE PRODUCT IS, BUT HOW IT WELL IT WILL SELL.
 
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Back in the day when there was something wack like Hammer or Vanilla Ice, it seemed like people would speak out against wackness and actually diss. Now it seems like if your music is garbage and your still selling cd's everybody is scared to diss and even go as far as kissing ass. Eminem and 50 cent come to mind, besides people dissing them to get recognition (ie game), the only person ive heard thats said anyhting real is Ice Cube on Westside Connections last CD. That song on there talking about how rappers need to be shot to show how hard they really are was on some real shit. Even Cubes new CD speaks on a lot of the issues with hip hop nowadays, why dont more people speak the real though and stick up for Hip Hop? More people need to be like Ghostface and call out all this gimmicky bullshit that is on the radio...
 
OG_Carl_Weather

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Its just a vicious dirty cycle that we gotta put up with. Rap will eat itself soon and the mainstream wont pay no attention for a lil while. The older cats will remember back in the day:CandyMan, Hammer, Vanillla Ice, Kwame.....too many more to name but around 89-91 it was horrible. Peep the track from

Kool Keith(Ultra Magnetic) and Tim Dog speakin the real>>>>>>
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qi7t9z
TIM DOG FEAT KOOL KEITH- I AIN'T HAVIN IT 1991
 
Dark Shadow

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well first can be said on labels (underground 2 mainstream), they just want some1 that will get them money they dont care how bad they suck. then some on radio/mtv/bet for letting bullshit get air time. and now u got everybody thinking they can be a rapper.
 
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ThaG

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OG_Carl_Weather said:
Its just a vicious dirty cycle that we gotta put up with. Rap will eat itself soon and the mainstream wont pay no attention for a lil while. The older cats will remember back in the day:CandyMan, Hammer, Vanillla Ice, Kwame.....too many more to name but around 89-91 it was horrible. Peep the track from

Kool Keith(Ultra Magnetic) and Tim Dog speakin the real>>>>>>
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qi7t9z
TIM DOG FEAT KOOL KEITH- I AIN'T HAVIN IT 1991
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around 89-91 it was horrible with all the pop-rap, the hip-house and so on

but these were also some of the most creative and productive years ever

do you see that now??
 
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