What is the most important subject basic education teaches?

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Most important subject basic education teaches throughout school?

  • Writing

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • Reading

    Votes: 20 60.6%
  • History

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • Math

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Geography

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • Science

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • Gym

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .

HERESY

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#21
ParkBoyz said:
Reading has always been the most important tool for productive living and subsequent education.
True, and in places where extreme form of slavery was implemented (america for example) it was READING that was forbidden. In societies where religion was controlled by the few it was the READING of religious texts that were reserved for the few.
 

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HERESY said:
True, and in places where extreme form of slavery was implemented (america for example) it was READING that was forbidden. In societies where religion was controlled by the few it was the READING of religious texts that were reserved for the few.
You forget one small detail - those people who forbid reading of religious texts were just as dumb and ignorant as the religious texts themselves....

Limiting the reading of religious texts to the fewest people possible is desperately needed....
 

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#23
ParkBoyz said:
Reading has always been the most important tool for productive living and subsequent education.
My point was that reading is a too basic skill to be even included in this list

It is idiotic to oppose math and science skills to reading skills, you need to have reading skills long before you start studying any math/science.... I mean how hard is it to learn to read??? So hard you need a separate subject???
 

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nhojsmith said:
books are not free at the library? the US is not getting destroyed in the number of scientists it graduates? may want to adjust that % down a few points.
Why is the us being destroyed? Have you considered the fact that a large percentage of american citizens are functionally illiterate? If the people can barely read how do you expect them to be scientists? Thats like putting the cart before the horse. If people can't read what use is a library?
 
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HERESY said:
Why is the us being destroyed? Have you considered the fact that a large percentage of american citizens are functionally illiterate? If the people can barely read how do you expect them to be scientists? Thats like putting the cart before the horse. If people can't read what use is a library?
Remember ThaG has never seen what the inner city school systems are like and the funding they receive.
 
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Scientists, Mathematicians, and anybody else is useless if they don't have solid reading and comprehension skills.

HERESY said:
True, and in places where extreme form of slavery was implemented (america for example) it was READING that was forbidden. In societies where religion was controlled by the few it was the READING of religious texts that were reserved for the few.
This is the first thing that came to mind actually. This rudimentary ability to read and analyze is our best tool at understanding the world around us and was of course a weapon(the forbidding of, that is) used against slaves in order to further impose psychological will. Before that, women were mainly illiterates which perpetuated male domination, that minority in control of any relevant literature will always have this fundamental advantage. You can't replace reading with anything..
 
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ThaG said:
My point was that reading is a too basic skill to be even included in this list

It is idiotic to oppose math and science skills to reading skills, you need to have reading skills long before you start studying any math/science.... I mean how hard is it to learn to read??? So hard you need a separate subject???
What you so curiously fail to understand is that reading and comprehension doesn't stop at the basic level, in order to become a scientist(of any discipline) actually, you'd be required to clear various levels of English curriculum. Understanding words and meanings is a very basic skill, reading however, is not and doesn't even stop after K-12
 
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nhojsmith said:
i guess i was looking a little too deep into the question. i didnt think it needed to be said that being able to read is necessary to be able to read about other subjects. i assumed that the educaiton system teaches you to read, and from that point science and logic are much more important than enjoying the indian in the cupboard or harry potter.
Communication and analytical ability is what you apply to science and everything else in general. Nothing else is really notable and even though the use of Math is more ancient than "reading" per se, the same communication and analytical ability which lead to writing was(and still is) utilized in the form of oral tradition and memorization, which has infinite uses for survival in practical life. Science is a new concept and is nothing more than a search for knowledge that appeals to man's curiosity(with the exception of medical advances and other beneficial technologies, which all require reading), but has less to do in comparison with the ultimate survival and social intelligence of people.
 

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ColdBlooded said:
For Americans, Yes.
Well, when I was a kid we directly started studying literature and grammar, we spent the first few months in school learning how to read but half of the kids already knew how to read and write (I learned it on my own listening to my grandmother reading me books, looking at the symbols and comparing the sounds and the letters) so it was more of studying calligraphy than anything else...

As nhojsmith reason and logic are what you need in order to communicate well, not the ability to read

I really don't think taking classes where you read is better for you than taking math... Math gives you everything in terms of logic and ability to think, literature classes can only mess your mind with vague interpretations of what "the author wanted to say"....
 

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#34
MaddDogg said:
Oh yes, forgive me, you are high and mighty European...
Well, most Europeans at least know most of the countries in Europe...

That's a significant progress compared to Americans...

Believe me, when you've been asked by Americans "Where you from?", you tell them the name of your country and they ask you "Which state is that in, must be a small town, I haven't heard it..." so many times as I have, you will develop certain type of opinion about the brain capacities of people in this country. Especially when your own nation is thousands of years old and is the oldest country in Europe....
 

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As nhojsmith reason and logic are what you need in order to communicate well, not the ability to read
This things usually come about through reading. This is why I often suggest people take critical reading and thinking courses. Just because you READ something that doesn't mean you understand it.

A person can be an "academic" yet be dumb as a bag of rocks.
 

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#37
nhojsmith said:
i guess i was looking a little too deep into the question. i didnt think it needed to be said that being able to read is necessary to be able to read about other subjects. i assumed that the educaiton system teaches you to read, and from that point science and logic are much more important than enjoying the indian in the cupboard or harry potter.
Logic and classes associated with logic usually fall under humanities or english. And like I said, a person can read all day but that doesn't mean they will be able to comprehend what they read or apply what they read in their everyday life. In regards to the american education system, it teaches little, and what it does teach is in the best interest of the select few.
 
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ThaG said:
I really don't think taking classes where you read is better for you than taking math... Math gives you everything in terms of logic and ability to think, literature classes can only mess your mind with vague interpretations of what "the author wanted to say"....
And, what if you have to read a dissertaion from a fellow student? Oh wait, you can do calculus, but you cant read....

Point is, reading, although a most BASIC skill...is also the most NEEDED skill. What happens if you cant read a sign? A manual? a JOB APPLICATION...
 

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#39
Jesse fuckin' Rice said:
And, what if you have to read a dissertaion from a fellow student? Oh wait, you can do calculus, but you cant read....

Point is, reading, although a most BASIC skill...is also the most NEEDED skill. What happens if you cant read a sign? A manual? a JOB APPLICATION...
we're talking about different things, arguing is useless...