What Do You Expect From Your Distributor???

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CREATING A BUZZ IS A MUST...Alot of artist have this game twisted...........B12 said it him self "WE SUPPLY to THE DEMAND" so in easiest terms....WE as artist need to get out there, and create that DEMAND! CLOSED MOUTHS DONT GET FED! and alot of us forget that & become lazy....How ya'll think E40 & the Click started?
What you think they started selliNG albums cuzz SOLAR MUSIC GROUP?.........................PLEASE they hit the streets daily, SERVN that product, he say she say......going to malls, playing there music every where they went.....CREATING a DEMAND!

I should have soaked game when i was running thru the hallways at SoLAR MUSIC GROUP at the age of 16, but i was always pumped about just geting into the booth and record.

but i think whats missing in a relationship between the ARTIST/LABEL/DISTRO is FOLLOW UP. We all need to bump heads and make sure that PRODUCT is in the store, besides the demand! make sure artist stick to a release date, and do like BIG C said, release your shit when other big names are not!

Shit i need to get back to work, but goodluck ya'll, this game is not for everyone, but if your hungry....like some of us are...you will create that buzz, shit just dont happen over night.....unless They create a RAP/HIP HOP AMERICAN IDOL ...............................

so terrible..........
 
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WHAT I EXPECT FROM MY DISTRIBUTOR:

I EXPECT THE DISTRIBUTOR TO 1ST OFF, CHECK OVER MY 1-SHEET, AND GO THROUGH THE MATERIALS I HAVE GIVIN HIM WITH ME.... AND LET ME KNOW IF THEIR IS ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO GET FOR HIM OR SHOULD DO, OR THINGS HE SUGGEST.... I THEN EXPECT HIM TO MAKE ANY AND ALL STORE AWARE OF MY RELEASE, BY PHONE, OR FAX.... ONCE MY DISTRIBUTOR IS AWARE OF WHAT DEMANDS ARE MADE, I EXPECT THE DISTRIBUTOR TO HAVE MY PROJECT TO THOSE STORES BY THE RELEASE DATE.... I WOULD EXPECT MY DISTRIBUTOR TO KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE PROJECT AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK AND LET THEM KNOW OF ANY SHOWS OR PERFORMANCES I TELL THEM ABOUT.... IF A STORE DIDNT ORDER, LET ME KNOW WHO THEY ARE, AND WHERE THEY ARE SO I CAN CONTACT THEM AND PUT MY HUSTLIN SKILLZ TO WORK.... I EXPECT THE STORES THAT DO SELL MY PROJECT AND THEN SELL OUT, I EXPECT MY DISTRIBUTOR TO BE AWARE, AND POSSIBLY MAKE CONTACT WITH THE STORE TO ASK FOR A RE-UP.... I THEN EXPECT THE DISTRIBUTOR (DEPENDING ON OUR CONTRACT) TO PAY ME FOR THE CONFIRMED UNITS SOLD EVERY 90 DAYS.... AND IF WE (DISTRIBUTOR & LABEL) WORK TOGETHER LIKE THIS WE WILL BOTH HAVE MORE SUCCESS....

HOWEVER HERE ARE THE PROBLEMS:

ALOT OF LABELS ARE NOT PREPARED FOR THEIR RELEASE, THUS DO IT HALF FAST, OR GET THE ALBUM TO THE DISTRIBUTOR LATE.... OR RUSH THE DISTRIBUTOR ON THE RELEASE, THUS NOT GIVING AMPLE TIME TO PROMOTE YOUR PROJECT APPROPRIATELY.... NO SNIPPETS OR FLYERS, AND A WEAK 1-SHEET.... HOWEVER ALSO, SOME AND MAYBEE ALL DISTRIBUTORS AT TIMES ARE SO OVERWHELMED WITH ALL THE DAILY ACTIVITIES THEY DO, THEY CUT CORNERS AS WELL.... SOME DONT RETURN CALLS ON A SAME DAY BASIS OR EMAILS.... (A COMMON CURDOSY EMAIL IS NICE JUST TO SAY HEY, IM BUSY, BUT IM WORKING ON IT AND WILL GET BACC TO YOU ASAP) BUT MOST DO NOT.... TALKING PERSON TO PERSON, WETHER MY PHONE OR EMAIL IS VERY IMPORTANT WITH ANY "BUSINESS" RELEATIONSHIP.... COMMUNICATION IS KEY TO ANY BUSSINESSES SUCCESS!!!! IW WE DO NOT KEEP CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT THE PROJECT AND ETC.... EXPECT THE ALBUM TO SUFFER!!! THAT IS BOTH THE LABELS FAULT AND THE DISTRIBUTOR.... THE DISTRIBUTOR HAS NO IDEA HOW GOOD YOUR ALBUM IS OR HOW WELL IT WILL DO, SO KEEP IN MIND THAT IF BOTH THE LABEL AND DISTRIBUTOR ARE KEY TO MAKING THE ALBUM MAYBEE A POSSIBLE HIT, BUT MAY NEVER KNOW IF BOTH SIDES DONT DO THEIR PART....

LOOK: WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES, AND NONE OF US ARE PERFECT..... BUT RIGHT NOW THEIR IS ALOT OF MUZIC AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC TO CHOOSE EVERY TUESDAY AT THEIR FAVORITE MUZIC STORE..... IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHO PROMOTES THE BEST (THE LABEL) AND WHO GETS IT ON THE SHELVES WHEN ASKED (THE DISTRIBUTOR).... PRICES ARE KEY RIGHT NOW, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHY SO MANY ALBUMS ARE SOLD AT A HIGH PRICE... NO CD SHOULD EVER BE OVER $13-14 UNLESS THEY A MAJOR RECORD RELEASE (P. DIDDY, NELLY ETC...)... BUT IF YOU ARE INDIPENDANT, YOU CANT BE ASKIN THE DISTRIBUTOR FOR $7-8 PER CD... YOUR JUST ASKIN FOR PEOPLE TO BUY THE NEXT MANS CD..... WE AS LABELS CAN MAKE THE PRICES CHEAPER, ITS NOT JUST THE STORES OR DISTRIBUTORS THAT MAKE THE PRICES HIGH...

BASICALLY IM JUST ASKIN IF YOU WANT YOUR BUSINESS VENTURE TO BE A GOOD ONE AND SUCCESSFUL.... BOTH THE DISTRIBUTOR AND LABEL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.... IT CAN HAPPEN!!! AND NOT JUST WITH MAC DRE, AND THE OUTLAWZ, BUT WITH LIL OLD TACT OUT MUZIC, AND OTHERS THAT ARE AT MY STATUS, VERY SERIOUS, AND HANDLE THEIR BUSSINESS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!!! I WOULD EXPECT THAT A DISTRIBUTOR WOULD TAKE A MANS BUSINESS ETHIC INTO HAND WHEN DECIDING IF YOU WANT SOMEONES PROJECT.
 
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4 more cents to add....

What really makes this shit hard is when a store (Wherehouse, Tower, Sam Goody etc) originally only have 2 or 3 copies of your album, and they sell them, and then they don't replenish for about a month, or ever. I've been through that so many times. The problem is when you're not big enough for the store to keep trac of that shit is going to happen. It's not the store or the dist. fault, it's just that the market is so saturated they can't keep up(the store) with everybody. This is what I did, my cd kept selling out in the Wherehouse stores out here in Dago. The manager at a couple of stores kept telling me it well sell the few that it got occasionally, and they told the regional manager and the problem still continued. So what I did, I emailed Violet Brown, and she forwarded my email to the Replenishment rep for Wherehouse. He didn't hit me bac immediately so I followed up with another email. The result in that was, Wherehouse placed a cool re-order. My point is though, that SOME SHIT really ain't nobody's fault, it's just a result of an over saturated market (which ain't gon' change), so we just have to deal with it, work with it, and hustle as much as we can. Most of us semi known label/artists with dope product have no where to go but up, so keep mashin'!!! One. LIL C.S. aka C.S. Heat

Wax, we've been through a lot of the same shit, that's why we see eye to eye, and that respect is there(unspoken until now, but it was there). Stay up folks. 1
 
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^^^THATS ANOTHER POINT I MADE, BUT I THINK IF YOU KEEP UP ON ALL THE STORES AND KEEP BUGGIN THEM, AND THEY START TO REMEMBER YOUR NAME, THATS WHEN SHIT GETS EASIER.... THEIR IS STORES I GO INTO WHERE THE OWNER OR MANAGER, BE LIKE HEY HOWS IT GOIN, JUST REORDERED MORE TALEZ FROM THE SICC... ETC.... AND SOME, WOULD NEVER KNOW ME FROM A REGULAR CUSTOMER.... TIL YOU GET THAT STORE/LABEL RELATIONSHIP, ITS HARD FOR THEM TO REMEMBER YOU OR WHY THEY SHOULD ORDER MORE OF YOUR SHIT....
 
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Tact, I feel you dog, but I was talkin' about the chain stores cuz the people that reorder for chains are in the corporate office, not in the store. I try to have(and do)some of the relationships you spoke on. I know and see how you hustle, so I know you're on top of your shit.

Chuck, I know ya'll got that replenishment shit way worse than me. I've just been through it a couple of times(as far as contacting the corporate office), but I know Done Deal probably encounters that problem all the time. Stay on em' dog, plus from peepin' the moves and connects ya'll been makin' it seems like somethin' big is finna happen for your label. Keep doin' it. One.

LIL C.S. aka C.S. Heat

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^^^ HERES THE THING THO.... EVEN THO FOR INSTANCE, VIOLET BE HANDLIN WHEREHOUSE, ITS STILL GOOD TO GET IN WITH THE CATS THAT MANAGE THE STORES, CUZZ THEY CAN ALWAYS MAKE SURE YO SHIT IS ON THE LIST TO ORDER AND WHAT IS IN DEMAND... BUT YOU RIGHT, ITS NOT AS EASY AS IT SOUNDS.... ITS A BITCH WHEN YOU WALK IN THE STORE, AND YO SHIT IS ALL GONE, THEN YOU GO IN THEIR 2 WEEKS LATER AND ITS STILL EMPTY.... IT MAKES WONDER WHO THE FUCC IS NOT DOIN THEIR JOB??? MAKE ME WANNA GET A JOB AT THE WHEREHOUSE OR TOWER... LOL!!!
 
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TACT OUT MUZIC said:
MAKE ME WANNA GET A JOB AT THE WHEREHOUSE OR TOWER... LOL!!!
That's what I'm saying! I don't own no label or none of that but I'm always like, "Who are these niggaz that claim they know what the buzz on the streets is?" They seem clueless and I guess cuz yall indies it's wwwaaayyy harder.
 

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When I put in my RR's(Repenishment Requests) I e-mail, fax and call. I do this once a week.
Some distributors only do this once a month, if at all. I can't sit and wait for a catalog order on hot titles. I go after the order.
If you come across a store where your shit is out call your distrbutor(or e-mail, that way they can print out what stores you're talking about) and let them know it's empty. Sometimes stores don't care to check into why they are zeroed. They may think they have one in stock, but it could be stolen.
Cuda
 

B-12

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Cuda: Agreed on that point. Our sales reps. are supposed to put in RR's once a week for catalog titles however with 20,000 title product line, over 300 accounts and eight reps., it sometimes doesn't happen. Particularly for rap titles that have a shorter shelf life than say a Dolly Parton Christmas album. So my advice to labels (since they only watch over their OWN product), is to attempt to notify and stay on top of key retailers also. Fax blitz, messages, and e-mail as we all know can be very effective methods of keeping retailers up to date on current promoitonal activities and buzz on projects.

If more labels would work with us distributors at a retail and wholesale level rather than just handling the streets, then it would make getting and keeping product in the marketplace alot easier.

Lil CS, A-Wax, Out of Bounds, Done Deal and a few others of our labels are extremely good about doing that, others are not so good and it shows in re-order patterns.

Keep this going...this is definitely productive rapport.
 
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I just want my distributor to work hard to solicit my project, and get it in the right stores. I am going to get out and do my end, but I need to be sure that the people that are shipping my product, are getting it to my key stores, and regions.

I would also like to have some GOOD lines of communication with the people that are working my record. I must be able to communicate with the reps, urban director, sales people, marketing people, and anyone else that has a hand in the progression of my product.

There are so many albums out there now, so it is very easy for a record to fall through the cracks. A distributor must also recognize what records are worth putting effort into, and which labels are going to actually get out and work HARD for the project. This will cut through alot of the bullshit. Even with that said, some albums just aren't going to sell, and that's just a reality of the business.

This game isn't perfect, and alot of these distributors aren't really making any money, and don't have the staff to do some of the stuff that we want done. Indi records aren't selling like they used to, so it is hard for these distributors to take the risk that they used to in the past with some of these projects. The business is even more corporate now, and even the chains are hard to get product in now. These are some of the places that we used to see some of our biggest sells come from: Wherehouse, Musicland, Sam Goody, and more.

I just wanna have the chance to actually sell some records, and be in a position to succeed when a quality project is released. Hopefully the game will change for the better, or some miracle will happen, that will take the game back to 97'. We all just gotta keep grindin, and hope for the best. There is still BIG money in the TRUNK my friends.
 

B-12

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Nutz: Well, some of that is pointed at me because I AM your distributor (at least for one of your projects). Alot of it make sense. Some of it you are right on.

But for the last time (and this is not directed at anyone in particular): IT IS NOT A DISTRIBUTOR'S JOB TO FINANCE, MARKET, OR MANUFACTURE ANY LABEL's PRODUCT. So when someone says that they wish their distributor would do this or that, I have to say "Why?".

Communication IS important between distributors and labels, unfortunately, distributors do have other labels to attend to and furthermore, in this marketplace, it really doesn't matter what your distributor does for you, because the chance of failure is greater now than ever.

Retail dictates how much product is in the streets. Radio dictates how much product a retailer will carry. It is an endless cycle and therefore creates the self-fullfilling prophecy...you can't get product in the stores without radio, and you cannot get n the radio without having sales, which you can't get without being in the store. It's pretty fucked up.

I've been preaching on this for years as I have seen the "wriitng on the wall" for a while now. Most choose not to listen or swear, "it can't happen to me because my shit is tight". Fuck that, how good your product is has less to do with selling albums (or shipping them to retail for that matter) than chewing bubble gum has to do with solving a calculus problem.

Artistic integrity is fine. In fact I respect an artist greatly who holds their moral high ground and sticks with this shit regardless of success or failure, but at some point you have to ask "what am I in this business for?".

For those who still don’t believe the word of me: Check what the RIAA says…(in my words)

In 2001, there were approximately 968,580,000 units shipped into retail (not including returns). Rap/Hip-Hop replaced Pop as the number three genre with 11.4 percent of the market. That brings rap/hip-hop music shipments at right about 106 million units and change. Of that figure, independent rap/hip-hop accounted for about five percent or 5 million albums. Of those SHIPPING FIGURES, SoundScan was roughly half or 2.5 million units. It gets better…according to data I have compiled at Bayside of all the distributors that have distributed Bay Area rap last year, the Bay (including Sac/The Valley etc.) accounted for about 20% of that SoundScan figure for a grand total of 500,000 units SoundScanned in our region or $3.5 million dollars made by area record labels (assuming they were paid by distributors) split between roughly 200 companies. God damn…depressing ain’t it. You can also bet that that number will be proportionately reduced this year due to 9/11/01 and the overall economy. Strap in fellas, it’s going to be a bumpy 2003.

Here is the bottom line to everyone: Everyone else is afraid to admit it, or afraid to say it, or just doesn't know...so here it is...The independent rap game as we know it has forever changed. WE are not as viable as we used to be, for many reasons, some can be debated but no matter what the reason, the over saturation of the game combined with the lack of resources and access we have to mainstream media (radio, video, magazines) limits our chances of selling.

Cool Nutz made a good point, selling out the trunk is still profitable. Develop a relationship with your indi stores, create a buzz in your back yard and let's get back to sell 5, 10, even 20,000 units out the trunk. Then distributors will have no choice but to deal with you.

Some of you won't like to hear this but the game WILL take care of the nay sayers and the laggers, and the fakers, and the untalented (see also: un-connected or not financed). The game will swallow those who cannot adapt to these times. It is an unforgiving industry and I think 80% of the cats in it are in it for the fast buck. I been doing this 10 years and NEVER got the fast buck. This is the most financially retarted and crippled industry in the world right now behind computers and retail. Investing money in an album is much like the stock in ENRON. It looked good, it sounded good, and you've seen others get rich and famous off of it, but the chance of being successful and for longevity are something like winning the lottery and reserved for the few elite members of the game.

Established retailers, wholesalers and record labels are going out of business left and right, so with that I ask most of us this question "What makes you so different?"

Good luck to everyone but don't quit your day jobs, if this is your day job like Me, Cool Nutz, Jay Tee, Chuck from Done Deal and others on this board, you know what we are going through.

If I could give one peace of advice...it would be "sunscreen".

Once again, my humble opinions. Share the information. Support indie rap. Peace.


PS
33,900 albums came out in 1999. Thats how may you are up against and women are the #1 purchasers of pre-recorded music, so think about that also we recording your next murder album or slap a bitch record. Not downing nobody cuz god knows my albums are all grimey but its just food for thought.
 
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B-12 I feel you

This game is all about who you know/ Not what you know, Feel me. B-12 just spoke reality and most motha fucka's don't want to hear it, but its the truth! You will only suceed for two reasons...
1. You got Lucky or 2. You know some one.
If your shit is tight, that s cool, but that doesn't mean shit.
 
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WHAT I EXPECT HMMMM

I EXPECT FRESH RED LICORICE NOT THAT STALE SHIT NO-NEEZ HAS LAYIN AROUND . I EXPECT B-12 TO READ ME THE STORY OF THE INDIE LABEL THAT COULD AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH . WHAT I DONT NEED IS FOR THAT CHICK THAT SITS ACROSS FROM B-12 CHECKIN ME OUT ALL THE TIME I MEAN SHE COULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE SHES LOOKIN AT SOMETHING BEHIND ME
 
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SERIOUSLY THOUGH

IM HAPPY WITH BAYSIDE B-12 AND ROB ALWAYS GIVE ME GOOD ADVICE AND I FEEL THEY GO THE EXTRA MILE FOR ME AND THE LABEL AND GAME ME UP ON WHAT I CAN DO TO EXPAND AND INCREASE SALES