Using race as an excuse...
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So here's a story. I am in korea right now and jus a lil somethin that happened that I would like to share with yall, I don't know if it relates to this or not, but I guess that would be for yall to judge.
So I'm walkin wit one of my homeboys down this strip where all these G.I.'s hang out and we're drunk and shit and dude says "Ay, nigga" hollerin at one of our other boys whose black to get his attention. Now my friend looks white he's french/puerto rican but he has a black stepmom and black stepsister that he grew up wit.
Anyways so one of the MP's stops turns around and says, "What did you say!?" And he says "I said nigga" like there wasn't nothin wrong wit it. So our other homeboy comes runnin up and says, "c'mon man let's jus go son".
And I'm pissed cuz if he ain't trippin and he's black why should the MP be trippin right?
So I say, "yo, man. I know he don't look it but he's half black." Even tho I know he ain't. And the MP is at a loss for words so he tries to save face and justify himself by sayin ," uhh... it doesn't matter I don't like anybody sayin the word."
Now I know the man is racist and he thought he could catch some "white" dude slippin. Cuz those are "his" words only not cuz he don't like the word he jus don't like a white dude sayin them. But I'm from the Bay yall and I know we're on a higher level of understandin.
Now my two homeboys try to get me to leave cuz they scared right cuz dudes an MP. And I say, "look yall I ain't tryin to start a fight I'm jus tryin to talk to the Man (the MP) so I can see where he's comin from. That's how we learn things, right?"
So I turn to the MP again and he's tryin to leave and I jus ask him, "yo, let me ask you a question? Where are you from?" And dude jus looks at me says somethin under his breath and bounces.
He don't wanna learn nothin he was jus lookin for a fight. We weren't doin nothin wrong but jus hangin out as a bunch a friends havin a good time. All from different parts of the states all from different racial backgrounds.
It's wierd how we can say stuff to eachother and know it don't mean shit cuz we know eachother and pick up eachother's slang so we have a better understandin and way to communicate. But some small minded individual who's pissed cuz he got to work on friday and watch everybody have a good time, and is lookin for an outlet for his anger, can come thru and fuck things up. A definition of a hater in it's purest form.
It ain't what you say but what you mean plain and simple. Our own pejudices keep us down and those around us down.
There are rascists out there but you'd be surprised at how they talk and what they say. A coward learns nothin and makes nothin better. A warrior will state what he believes in and is always open to the fact that he might not know everything and he can always learn somethin.
You can poison your brethen or heal them and teach them somethin good.
But never be too quick to make assumptions about somebody or somethin you know nothin about.
Ask and you shall recieve. Teach nothin learn nothin. Learn nothin teach nothin.
Don't let the world Willie Lynch us. Or we'll never figure out who or what we're fightin.
So I'm walkin wit one of my homeboys down this strip where all these G.I.'s hang out and we're drunk and shit and dude says "Ay, nigga" hollerin at one of our other boys whose black to get his attention. Now my friend looks white he's french/puerto rican but he has a black stepmom and black stepsister that he grew up wit.
Anyways so one of the MP's stops turns around and says, "What did you say!?" And he says "I said nigga" like there wasn't nothin wrong wit it. So our other homeboy comes runnin up and says, "c'mon man let's jus go son".
And I'm pissed cuz if he ain't trippin and he's black why should the MP be trippin right?
So I say, "yo, man. I know he don't look it but he's half black." Even tho I know he ain't. And the MP is at a loss for words so he tries to save face and justify himself by sayin ," uhh... it doesn't matter I don't like anybody sayin the word."
Now I know the man is racist and he thought he could catch some "white" dude slippin. Cuz those are "his" words only not cuz he don't like the word he jus don't like a white dude sayin them. But I'm from the Bay yall and I know we're on a higher level of understandin.
Now my two homeboys try to get me to leave cuz they scared right cuz dudes an MP. And I say, "look yall I ain't tryin to start a fight I'm jus tryin to talk to the Man (the MP) so I can see where he's comin from. That's how we learn things, right?"
So I turn to the MP again and he's tryin to leave and I jus ask him, "yo, let me ask you a question? Where are you from?" And dude jus looks at me says somethin under his breath and bounces.
He don't wanna learn nothin he was jus lookin for a fight. We weren't doin nothin wrong but jus hangin out as a bunch a friends havin a good time. All from different parts of the states all from different racial backgrounds.
It's wierd how we can say stuff to eachother and know it don't mean shit cuz we know eachother and pick up eachother's slang so we have a better understandin and way to communicate. But some small minded individual who's pissed cuz he got to work on friday and watch everybody have a good time, and is lookin for an outlet for his anger, can come thru and fuck things up. A definition of a hater in it's purest form.
It ain't what you say but what you mean plain and simple. Our own pejudices keep us down and those around us down.
There are rascists out there but you'd be surprised at how they talk and what they say. A coward learns nothin and makes nothin better. A warrior will state what he believes in and is always open to the fact that he might not know everything and he can always learn somethin.
You can poison your brethen or heal them and teach them somethin good.
But never be too quick to make assumptions about somebody or somethin you know nothin about.
Ask and you shall recieve. Teach nothin learn nothin. Learn nothin teach nothin.
Don't let the world Willie Lynch us. Or we'll never figure out who or what we're fightin.
Again, these are two different forms of media, with two completely different objectives and two completely different demographics. The problem you are failing to realize is that Imus was talking about a specific group of people, while rappers usually use those terms in a general sense.
IMUS = talking about college basketball team.
Rappers (that most of you listen to) = talking about no one specific.
First of all, eminems situation was not "alleged". The recordings surfaced and he admitted to saying what he said and apologized. And with Eminem, he said he was referring to someone specific (an ex-girlfriend), and once again, rappers usually aren't talking about specifc women and using terms that have been used to ridicule black people in general.
No, it doesn't end the debate that the different reactions were a result of different forms of media, and the only common link was not that they were both white. Again, one common link that I have pointed out is they BOTH targeted SPECIFIC people/ Do you understand why this is a crucial element?
When has "nappy" been used to insult whites or asians?
IMUS = talking about college basketball team.
Rappers (that most of you listen to) = talking about no one specific.
First of all, eminems situation was not "alleged". The recordings surfaced and he admitted to saying what he said and apologized. And with Eminem, he said he was referring to someone specific (an ex-girlfriend), and once again, rappers usually aren't talking about specifc women and using terms that have been used to ridicule black people in general.
No, it doesn't end the debate that the different reactions were a result of different forms of media, and the only common link was not that they were both white. Again, one common link that I have pointed out is they BOTH targeted SPECIFIC people/ Do you understand why this is a crucial element?
When has "nappy" been used to insult whites or asians?
The "dude" co-hosting on the show is the EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, so why wasn't he let go? I'll tell you why, because your boy Imus is EXPENDABLE, and his firing is not the result of black people making a fuss but WHITE people not taking responsibility.
And once again, for anyone making the RETARDED comparison between IMUS and RAPPERS, who are the ones most benefiting from rappers doing this? The white and "joo" label owners (and other corporations) or the rappers themselves? What is your position on the fact that rappers are not targeting a specific woman or group of women where as Imus is attacking a specific group of women?
And once again, for anyone making the RETARDED comparison between IMUS and RAPPERS, who are the ones most benefiting from rappers doing this? The white and "joo" label owners (and other corporations) or the rappers themselves? What is your position on the fact that rappers are not targeting a specific woman or group of women where as Imus is attacking a specific group of women?
Because a lot of us in here understand that Heresy is really only asking those that haven't thought about this (read: threadstarter). Most of us know that it's the record label owners who reap profits off of rappers calling women bitches and rapping about selling drugs.
It would seem there's only one [c]ocks[moke]r in this thread that refuses to think critically (read: seeking to understand the 'other' side) about the situation. Dude tried to respond all eloquent to my post talking about he "wanted equality" out of his thread, but we know different.
It would seem there's only one [c]ocks[moke]r in this thread that refuses to think critically (read: seeking to understand the 'other' side) about the situation. Dude tried to respond all eloquent to my post talking about he "wanted equality" out of his thread, but we know different.
I don't know... I think Cmokes argument is valid... But a little misguided... While some rappers use words like 'Nigga', 'Bitch', and 'Ho' in a certain social context most don't... Example, when Ice Cube raps the line 'A young nigga got it brown 'cause I'm brown/ and not the other color so police think/ they have the authority/ to kill a minority'... He's clearly making a political statement... Now when Dre raps, 'It's still Dre day nigga/ AK nigga'... It's just gratuitous... He's not make any statement, political or social... Again when Ice Cube raps the line 'And everbody know/ Strawberry, Strawberry is the neighborhood ho'... Once again he's making a social statement... But when Snoop spits 'Bitches aint shit/ but hoes and tricks'... It has no redeeming value... It's just for show... I think the point Cmoke is raising is... If rappers are using those words gratuitously and no one cares, why can't the rest of us...?
yeah cmoke is looking at it through a perspective that in the end all ways reach the mass, and to censor is to attempt to keep away from the publics consciousness.
So why should there be a double standard.
i see both perspectives tho. It just depends on how literal you want to take your point of view to be.
So why should there be a double standard.
i see both perspectives tho. It just depends on how literal you want to take your point of view to be.