Using race as an excuse...

[Lordbyron]

No, see you need to change a couple of words there. I am smarter than you and you are beneath me. Thats how your sentence should read. You were simply at the wrong place, at the wrong time, so now you have to ride it out. Don't take it personal, I simply have to make an example out of you. You aren't the first, won't be the last, and you're now part of a unique club. :dead:



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Flaccid...a word you've used with your doctor countless times I bet. Listen, the argument is just fine, you simply don't have the ability to answer, and cmoke is doing a good job dancing around the question. In fact, he is doing such a good job he is afraid to post in his own thread and lacks the ability to defend himself. Again, if my argument is weak, why is it that several people here comprehend it and are now asking the same thing I am asking? I'll tell you why. Because you and your bed buddy don't make any sense, and his argument about what rappers are doing will take a nose dive as soon as he answers the question. As soon as he answers the question the "blame" will shift directly back to white people, and this is what cmoke DOESN'T want to address.



And my question is derived from the statements and questions CMOKE asked. Do you now see how the questions I presented are pertinent to this convo, or do I have to explain it?



You didn't have to.



First of all, I don't need to be an intern at interscope nor do I need to have read 50's contract to have an idea about how the money he gets is distributed. Why? Because 50 himself has been quite vocal about his situation, what his arrangement is, etc. In addition, most albums on major labels state in the inside who the publishing is going to, but because you're the next Einstein, you already knew that information. Am I saying I am in the mans pocket? No, But if we apply your fucked off logic 50 would be making more than the label and that is NOT reality. NO ARTIST ON A MAJOR LABEL IS GOING TO MAKE MORE THAN THE LABEL ITSELF. What the fuck do you think labels are in it for? To make others rich? No, they are in it to make THEMSELVES rich, BUT by making others rich, they can make themselves more rich. Again, if we apply your fucked off logic, it would be the same as a hoe making more than a pimp, a basketball player making more than the owner, or Cliffy B making more than Bill Gates. Please, take a GENERAL business class before you respond and make yourself appear to be another talking ass like the one from Shrek.



How have I side stepped the question when I've explained the difference several times now? Please, go back and read what was previously stated.



No that is NOT all this thread is about. When rappers were introduced to this thread it opened up the door for the question to be asked about label owners/execs and the responsibility THEY have. :dead:



No, they are very relevant, and the fact is several of those things would not have been mentioned if dunces like yourself had not made comments such as, "If rappers are using those words gratuitously and no one cares, why can't the rest of us...?"

Do you now understand? If you are going to make the claim that "no one cares" it only makes sense to disprove the claim by listing people who DO care. And what was your response? You back peddled and danced around your wacky claim on the grounds that you don't watch Oprah and don't care too much for Russel Simmons.

Word for the day: FALLACY.




It has already been answered.

Dude, you're long winded and arrogant... Smarter the me...? You're not beasting me my friend... Not with this bullshit you're posting in here... And why have folks agreed with your flaccid point...? You'd have to ask them... My guess is the smoke and mirrors routine you've pulled for the last few years is really beginning to work... Anyhow... Like I said in my initial argument Cmokes case is valid but a bit misguided... Don Imus being fired has about as much to do with CBS as a hole in the wall... He was fired 'cause Al Sharpton needed to pay his rent... Hence misguided... All the other shit is irrelevant... Labels, contracts, your industry insider status... It's bull... Imus was canned 'cause he's a White guy who used gratuitous rapper slang... Plain and simple... Admit it...! There's a double standard in this country and you know it... Now, did Russell Simmons come out in opposition to those words before Don Imus opened this can of worms...? No... So once again all that shit is invalid... Do I think Imus was right...? Nope... Not even... But I do know you and your limp arguments are hiding behind the same tired civil rights rhetoric that got Imus axed... Rappers are free from scrutiny when using those words 'cause they're Black... Not because some old Jew signs their pay check... Sorry buddy you can't pin this one on the 'Man' or some rich 'joo'... You need to stand up and admit that rappers (and Black folks in general) get a pass on these things... Now, repeat after me... THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS... Does it bother me...? No... I realize the history of Black folks in this country... African Americans are intitled to a freebee every now and then... Shit, G*d knows they've earned it...

P.S. I never said 50 made more than Aftermath or Interscope... You asked me who benefited from rappers using those words and I replied... RAPPERS...! So save your, business 101, hot air for balloon animals...

 

[ParkBoyz]

its funny how you sit there and complain about the content of this thread and how it has no point, when you keep posting in it. why dont you just have your "slaves" handle your light work?

^Typical cop-out..

 

[ParkBoyz]

Title of the thread: "Using race as an excuse"

Who exactly is using 'race as an excuse', and using it as an excuse for what?

 

[Lordbyron]

This is a loaded question.. Why do you think, and what does the answer have to do with "Black Men"? Why are you so focused on "Black Men", but not 50 Cent himself, or Interscope, or CBS. Ask Interscope why they're letting rappers get away with it, and if you have a personal problem, address the rappers, but what do your fallacious questions have to do with "Black Men" and Don Imus?

I guess it's a bit loaded... You're right... It's based off of a previous post I made... The gratuitous use of words...

 

[Ender]

You guys sound a lot like the military. If one man fucks up then everybody is punished. Like you believe white people, black people, mexican people, etc "should take responsibility" for thier race.

You should all join cuz you speak jus like the people in here.

God or whoever he is made MAN. Not black men, white men, brown men.

You know what punishing a whole race, a platoon, a country, a gang, a church, a religion does. It fuckin brings good people down and lifts bad people up. Am I the only one who can see this?

If one bad apple spoiles the whole bunch then according to your beliefs the whole bunch should be spoiled. You ain't gonna throw that mothafucker out cuz it must be the good apples fault for letting that one bad apple spoil. You see how fuckin dumb that sounds?

You are responsible for your own actions not your parents, not your friends, not your enviroment.

For when God judges you he judges you alone.

The reason we are fucked up and confused is we follow an imperfect law.
Made and justified by our own imperfections.

And oh yeah fuck censorship. All it does is teach us how to lie. Maybe we wouldn't use words like fuck, shit, bitch if we weren't pissed off all the time. Think about it.

Hear no evil. See no evil. Speak no evil.

Seek it. Or never find your enemy. They don't believe in freedom of man and they teach manipulation only. Actions speak louder than words.

It's either all bad or all good. We are not all blind.


"Even when I lie I tell the truth" - Scarface

 

[HERESY]

Dude, you're long winded and arrogant... Smarter the me...? You're not beasting me my friend... Not with this bullshit you're posting in here... And why have folks agreed with your flaccid point...? You'd have to ask them... My guess is the smoke and mirrors routine you've pulled for the last few years is really beginning to work... Anyhow... Like I said in my initial argument Cmokes case is valid but a bit misguided... Don Imus being fired has about as much to do with CBS as a hole in the wall... He was fired 'cause Al Sharpton needed to pay his rent... Hence misguided... All the other shit is irrelevant... Labels, contracts, your industry insider status... It's bull... Imus was canned 'cause he's a White guy who used gratuitous rapper slang... Plain and simple... Admit it...! There's a double standard in this country and you know it... Now, did Russell Simmons come out in opposition to those words before Don Imus opened this can of worms...? No... So once again all that shit is invalid... Do I think Imus was right...? Nope... Not even... But I do know you and your limp arguments are hiding behind the same tired civil rights rhetoric that got Imus axed... Rappers are free from scrutiny when using those words 'cause they're Black... Not because some old Jew signs their pay check... Sorry buddy you can't pin this one on the 'Man' or some rich 'joo'... You need to stand up and admit that rappers (and Black folks in general) get a pass on these things... Now, repeat after me... THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS... Does it bother me...? No... I realize the history of Black folks in this country... African Americans are intitled to a freebee every now and then... Shit, G*d knows they've earned it...

P.S. I never said 50 made more than Aftermath or Interscope... You asked me who benefited from rappers using those words and I replied... RAPPERS...! So save your, business 101, hot air for balloon animals...

This does not deserve an in depth response from me.... I'll reply to your stupidity in the morning.

 

[HERESY]

look its okay for heresy to be racist talkin shit about jews, maybe cuz he said joo instead of jew.

I'll talk shit about ANY race. Doesn't matter what race the person is, hell if you look at the first comment I made I attacked whites and blacks. And if you were as smart as you think you are, you would probably ask why I said "joo" (pay attention to those bold marks around the word.

too bad he's to ignornat to know Snoy aint ran by Jews, nor is Universal,

Too bad I'm too ignorant? I don't usually dock for spelling, but you can't even type a proper sentence. Who the hell are you?

look at some other major owners n ceo's they aint jewish.

This statement is so stupid I'm not going to even post the info that blows your claims to shit. You idiots can remain dummies from here on out.

n if jews own a lot of company stock shares, good for them why dont you urge blacks to do the same.

See above, sport.

 

[2-0-NINE]

I'm pretty sure SNOY isn't ran by Jews, why because WTF IS SNOY?! LMAO!

 

[HERESY]

i've studyed poli sci, international biz, n law home boy, what u got a 12th garde education?

Yes, a 12th grade education along with an A.S. in Criminal Justice and certificate in Computer Forensics. However, I'm still undecided as to if I want to enter law school or pursue criminology. What else do you want to know about?

so what if my spellin is bad, does that really matter. I'll admit it my spellin is bad, often purposefully though, why should I spell "spelling" with a "g" & I'm typin n i cannot type all secretary correctly- which doesn't matter since I'm not going to be one but employ one.

As previously stated, I don't usually dock for spelling, but you can't even type a proper sentence. If you are going to call me ignorant, and type all that BS, at LEAST cover your tracks man. I'm all for insulting me and attempting to make me feel bad, in fact, I often encourage it. However, cross your T's and dot your I's.

LoL I misspelled ignorant and put in a comma instead of a semi colon, oh yes and a comma in ain't.

And now you feel the need to explain yourself. LOL! I think psychology just might be the ticket.

tell me some big time owners who are jews n name 10 ceo's in the ent. biz please

No, you don't ask the questions here, bucko. I speak, you listen and shut the hell up. Don't come with a snappy retort trying to get me to explain myself or give you a list of big time owners and ceo's. I call the shots between you and myself now run along and beat it.

 

[2-0-NINE]

I'm trying to major in Criminal Justice, and I take offense to that. I'm not speaking on behalf of Heresy, but in order for you to make a difference in something you see corrupt shouldn't you try to know what they know in order to keep them straight? So if I'm a correctional officer, I'm a snitch? No wonder why the next generation keeps getting fucked, the preconceived notions of today are passed as the standards of tomorrow. This is dumb! Whenever you try and make a difference, it's never good enough. You save one persons life, they expect you to save the whole world. SMH

 

[HERESY]

n i know u don't have ne names that's y u had to act all hard N posture up n be poser

I told you not to come with a snappy reply and try to get me to give you teh (<---)info yet you did it anyway. The word of the day for you is:

CLASSICAL CONDITIONING

Google it buddy.

a criminal justice major, it figures a u b a rat snitch.

So I guess DEFENSE LAWYERS are rat snitches. LMAO! Your stupidity will never cease to amaze me.

that's the only types i know who take crim justice classes

So you admit to knowing snitches? I don't know any snicthes. Why do you know so much about others and what they do?

right winged fucks n brain washed dick suckaz who wanna be pigs n their fuck buddies down at the DA's office

So I guess defense lawyers and people who work pro bono all want to hang out with the DA and police. LMAO!

New word for the day:

Incongruity

Google it, jimmy.

there were not any major spellin erros n like i said who care nehow, u wow, now u r an english teacher too? oops there's an error in error

I said I don't really care about your errors. I make errors all the time, but when I make errors people can still comprehend what I'm saying. However, when you type, it takes a decoder ring or a person who can read brail or translate code to get to teh (<---) basic elements of your posts.

i don't feel a need to explain myself, i'm just bored. if i had something else to do i would be doing it. but i like just sittin here watchin my dvds n bullshitin wit clowns like u

No, what you're actually doing is seeking my approval. In psychology there is a word for people like you. However, I've already increased your vocab a million fold by giving you two gems tonight, so thats all you get. Run along now skipper, and look both ways before you cross the street.

 

[2-0-NINE]

if u want 2 b a Co y U going to college homie

Why not?! So I Can remain dumb like most of the homies I see on the streets selling crack and pills because they don't know any better? Why so I could remain ignorant until the age of retirement and look back and say fuck it, I'll just collect my retirement checks and I'm happy I didn't know anything that didn't concern me. Fuck that!

be like most of them, at least the lifers (CO's 4 life), they are not educated.

That's on you homie, I don't want to remain uneducated, I don't plan on being a CO, I was using it as an example.

CO's with a college degree often get hated on because the others know that its only a stint for them b4 they become Po's which is easier n pays more.

I could never become a cop, and because a CO has a college degree he's automatically going to become a pig? Yeah nice talk OG! Fuck up lil kids' minds some more. SMH

i mean my homie got a degree in CJ, n he's kool, but he'll be the 1st to say most people majorin in CJ classes or stupid right winged pigs or brain washed sell outs.

LMAO!!!! You probably don't know me well, I'm super far from being a right wing homes! HAHA, sellout, never been through too much to sell out. If you mean getting a life and making money, becoming successful, moving out the hood and actually do not only myself but those around me a service. Then I guess everyone is a sellout.

most co's dont have a college ed, most pos stop at a ba and half of their units were earned on the job, those ain'r real education units.

I'm still young and I'm still figuring things out, I'm not certain but CJ is high up on my list when it comes to narrowing down my major.

Look at cops who actually try to help, they get fucked by their own.

So, I'm well ware of this

My homie has met some PO's who "want to help"; they're now cursed to be 4ever low-level PO's

Why do you insist that I'll be a pig homie?

ne how there's better majors to take to learn about the "criminal mind" or what drives people to act bad, psychology, sociology (not sure about the spellin' on that 1)

Afikana n Chicano studies too

I'm not a person that accumulates, enough income. That's why I'm in the local community college. Thanks for the lookout though. I can understand where you coming from homie, I'm from the South Side of Stockton, lot's of history if you ask alot of folks near my neck of the woods. Stay Up and God Bless, and as young men, which I'm sure you are right? We should better ourselves by understanding the rules which they apply to oppress us and use it against them by knowing what we can and cannot do. Just like the Slaves and those under over zealous Power, they used The true meaning of the religions they were falsely being oppressed with, and using it to turn on their oppressors. God Bless and be in peace.

 

[HERESY]

Stock, go into the field man. There are so many things you can do once you get out. You can go into youth counseling and mentoring, and that would be good for someone with a background in gangs and shit like that. The system needs more people who can make a connection with the youth, because the youth are the ones in dire need of help. I don't give a shit what color a kid is, black, white, mexican, asian, etc, they are CHILDREN, and children should be our priority in this world. So if you want to go into the CJ field, and you want to HELP people, you can do so without being an officer.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Stock, go into the field man. There are so many things you can do once you get out. You can go into youth counseling and mentoring, and that would be good for someone with a background in gangs and shit like that. The system needs more people who can make a connection with the youth, because the youth are the ones in dire need of help. I don't give a shit what color a kid is, black, white, mexican, asian, etc, they are CHILDREN, and children should be our priority in this world. So if you want to go into the CJ field, and you want to HELP people, you can do so without being an officer.

Yeah, I'm actually surprised how many homies are actually encouraging me to do this. Thanks Man!

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

to heresy u still haven't proven jews run the ent. biz

that is a fact... i'm sure you can google it.

 

[HERESY]

to heresy u still haven't proven jews run the ent. biz

But you have proven you have the intelligence of a squid, so that makes us even buddy.

how's a defense lawyer a rat snitch

Defense lawyers usually major in CJ. Do you recall the statement you made about those in CJ?

cats who do pro bon either have a bleedin heart, they are the last to want to be a pig or they work for a large firm that want some good PR - they dont want to be a DA either, they make too much to be a rat.

See above sport.

awh my spellin was so bad u couldn't read what I wrote, wait u did...hmm...?

Irony, sarcasm and wit ellude you.

yes U skooled me, like I said u must be an english teacher.

According to you, I went from having a 12th grade education, to being a snitch, to being an english teacher...all within hmmmmmmmmm........an hours time?

u said u still in skool or finished, cuz i know i graduated from college home boy.

You obviously don't read.

jockin u lol, ja ja ja ja ja

This guy is a drunkard.

damn that's funny - go walk into a mouse trap u rat

Unfounded claims.

 

[HERESY]

Yeah, I'm actually surprised how many homies are actually encouraging me to do this. Thanks Man!

If you need any ebooks/pdf files I got you covered.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

one told my boy to keep his mouth close climb the ranks and then make a change, but to do so from the get go wasn't gonna help NO1 in the long run.

Well this is just common fucking sense. You dont meet a girls parents and critique their parenting the same night.

ne how there's better majors to take:
Afikana n Chicano studies too

Yes. These are both very valuable majors.

You can get a job teaching...African / Chicano studies.

BTW JD please, please learn the basics of grammar, punctuation, and spelling.

 

[HERESY]

to heresy u still haven't proven jews run the ent. biz

You still fail to understand that I said I was NOT going to give you ANY information. Someone here besides myself told you to use google. Why don't you take his advice and google the info for yourself.

How's that? Why should I google NE thing to find some bullshit NE1 can post up on the net w/out facts.

What you are REALLY asking is "where are these sources so I can validate them for myself?" There are CREDIBLE sources on the net dealing with business and ownership. Not only that, there are JEWISH sites pertaining to jewish finances and coporations. Instead of wasting your time asking me, use google or your college search engine, or pick up FORBES.

U haven't shown me to be uneducated or unintelligent.

You've shown yourself to be uneducated and unintelligent. You don't need me to do anything.

why dont u google me the facts n send me the link

LMAO! You keep proving me right over and over. If I do so you'll go back and have to eat your words, but I want you to do it on your own.

most the people i know in law school and who are lawyers didn't study CJ

First of all, I seriously doubt you know more than 10 people in law school. Second of all, for you to say what you just said shows you have no idea about Harvard, Yale, Standford, The University of Chicago Law School, Marquette, JFK, lower division studies/UNDERGRADUATES, PRE LAW major, and why one take CJ and TRANSFER those credits. ROFL!

Son, you are a buffon.

almost all the Defense lawyers i know from San Diego County didn't study CJ.

You don't even know two of them so what is your point? You HAVE to study criminal justice you fool! Do you think they are going to let every tom, dick and harry just walk in and land a job at a firm? LMAO! What do you think criminal justice is? What do you think they teach at harvard? Perry Mason 101?

However, you STILL didn't answer the question. How are defense attornies rat snitches?

The pro bono types for sure didn't.

And you know everyone in San Diego county and what they have done. Good job.

See ABOVE bitch!

LOL!

To the last to, I known sarcasm n didn't c NE, can NE1 or are u of the same mind heresey needs to get a dictionary?

With this single "sentence" you have provided us all with proof that your college FAILED in its duties to educate you. I don't know how much money was wasted on your "education", but if I were you, I'd try to get at least half of that money back. :dead:

Yes, U couldn't both have a high school education and be a teacher, but U must be ome of the two

You are the ONLY siccness member to ever TYPE IN TONGUES!!!!!!!!!!!

i'd pull my kid quick cuz he deserves a proper education, not from some dumb azz.

A proper education? Like the one you got from your school? LMAO! Parents usually want their kids to exceed them in all areas of life. You want your kids to fuck up and be just as dumb as you. You don't need kids man. Go mutilate yourself and use your dick for fish bait, because if you have kids, they won't benefit society.

like i said ja is ha in spanish and u have me laughing your head off thinkin u know something. SNITCH

How would I have you laughing my head off? Again, you are a drunkard.

what ever clown

I'll be that.

 

[HERESY]

Dude, you're long winded and arrogant...

Women usually say I'm long lasting and attractive.

Smarter the me...?

Yes, smarter than you, or did you not comprehend what I previously said?

You're not beasting me my friend

No actually I am. Anytime I get a person to back peddle and second guess themselves they have already taken the plunge.

Not with this bullshit you're posting in here...

See above.

And why have folks agreed with your flaccid point...?

You've used that word twice now. Please step your vocab game up and use different verbs and adjectives.

You'd have to ask them... My guess is the smoke and mirrors routine you've pulled for the last few years is really beginning to work...

Unfounded claims. Here it is cmoke introduced rappers and asked, "Shouldnt these people ge dropped from their labels and canned", yet YOU don't see the importance of asking who the label owners are and who benefits from the type of music in question? In your infinite wisdom you fail to see that dropping them is a no no.

Anyhow... Like I said in my initial argument Cmokes case is valid but a bit misguided...

This is a fine moment for ignorance.

Don Imus being fired has about as much to do with CBS as a hole in the wall... He was fired 'cause Al Sharpton needed to pay his rent... Hence misguided...

How did the firing of Imus contribute to Al Sharptons rent? I posted a link to a video clip where Imus made comments about so-called jews in an unsavory fashion. Maybe THAT contributed to his ordeal and the latest episode was the straw that broke the camels back. Given the history of what happens to those in america who say things about "jews" THAT would appear more logical than Sharpton paying his rent. :dead:

All the other shit is irrelevant... Labels, contracts, your industry insider status...

No, it is all relevant because it is all derived from CMOKES initial statement. Listen, YOU do NOT understand critical reading, critical thinking, DEDUCTIVE or INDUCTIVE reasoning. Because you don't understand these simple concepts, you constantly run into a brick wall when you ponder why the questions were asked.

It's bull... Imus was canned 'cause he's a White guy who used gratuitous rapper slang... Plain and simple... Admit it...!

Imus has had a HISTORY of using slurs and epithets on his show, so you're going to tell me he was fired just because he said nappy headed hoes? LMAO! Only a FOOL would believe that. Imus was fired because at that point he was a LIABILITY and sponsers were starting to yank ADVERTISEMENT. He made the company LOOSE money you dummy. Those stations didn't fire him because of Al Sharpton or because they wanted to be humanitarians. He was fired because the SPONSERS didn't like the bad attention and didn't want to be associated with him OR his remarks.

There's a double standard in this country and you know it... Now, did Russell Simmons come out in opposition to those words before Don Imus opened this can of worms...? No...

Where is the double standard? And no, Simmons was on the opposite side of the field when it happened, and that right there shows you that HE doesn't have a double standard because he CHANGED his perspective and said it SHOULD be banned. :dead:

So once again all that shit is invalid...

See above son.

Do I think Imus was right...? Nope... Not even... But I do know you and your limp arguments are hiding behind the same tired civil rights rhetoric that got Imus axed...

Awe, pooooooooor baby. His da da got the boot now he has to stay in the house with him (alone by the way.) You went from limp to flaccid, can't you use any other terms? How am I hiding behind the same tired civil rights rhetoric when on the first page of this thread I said, "Do I believe Imus should have been fired? Hell no. Do I believe he should have said what he said? Well, why would you say that shit knowing Kramer just took a beating for saying what he said?"

Once again, you're a dummy.

Rappers are free from scrutiny when using those words 'cause they're Black...

Again, where do you fools come up with the idea that rappers are free from scrutiny? If rappers were free from scrutiny we wouldn't have this convo. If they were free from it Al Sharpton, THE SAME AL SHARPTON YOU CLAIM GOT IMUS FIRED, would NOT have called for 50 Cent records to be be PULLED from shelves. YOU are the one with the double standrad here my puppet.

Also, if rappers are free from scrutiny, what the fuck was C. Delores Tucker doing? So to drive another nail in your coffin, rappers are not free from scrutiny, rappers are free from ACCOUNTABILITY. These are two distinct concepts, and you'll most likely never comprehend the difference.

Scrutiny: a searching examination or investigation; minute inquiry.

Accountability: the state of being accountable, liable, or answerable.

Not because some old Jew signs their pay check...

Again, do you see the label owners stopping it?

Sorry buddy you can't pin this one on the 'Man' or some rich 'joo'... You need to stand up and admit that rappers (and Black folks in general) get a pass on these things...

No, there is no accountability, and as soon as accountability is enforced, the companies will loose revenue. Do you not see how the business aspect works?

Now, repeat after me... THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS... Does it bother me...? No... I realize the history of Black folks in this country... African Americans are intitled to a freebee every now and then... Shit, G*d knows they've earned it...

Stupidity at its finest.

P.S. I never said 50 made more than Aftermath or Interscope... You asked me who benefited from rappers using those words and I replied... RAPPERS...! So save your, business 101, hot air for balloon animals...

Go back ad read everything again.