Please stop riden short... I get it he helped build bay rap but mess has been holding it down as one of the bays best for the last 10 years. both left the bay for a while. As a rapper short fell off a long time ago. His lyrics are are weak. Short has been suckin them south niggas d's since blow the whisle..,.. Now who cares who bangs and who doesn't. Short has never been a, pimp. But who cares.... Mess sober is still some of the best music the bay has to offer.... Side note I was happy to hear him say in hypocrite he s finally clean.... Don't get me wrong short makes good songs but his lyrics suck. ... Songs like bays biggest hypocrite and thats how I move lryically are better then anything short has made in the last 20 years ..imo