To all my prayers (people who pray)

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HERESY said:
If they help themseves why would God need to help them?
God will not come to the aid of those who refuse to try, we must exert ourselves if we want to succeed...God has provided us with what we need, we need to get it together and use it to help ourselves...
 
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You should listen to everything George Carlin has to say about God, he is a comedian yes, but his pieces can really make you think though and he often has a point too
 
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HERESY said:
If they help themseves why would God need to help them?
Exactly, I really dislike that saying! What about those who grew up in poverty stricken countries, can they help themselves, another stupid notion.
 
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HERESY said:
Yes, I agree with you 100% that you should take responsibility for your actions, but some things I do believe are out of our power and in the hands of God. Your father not being healed right now is something that you view as problematic and a curse, but if you looked at his healing as glory unto God, and not in a selfish perspective, do you think somethign would change? No? Why? Because you don't believe in God? Could it be that God is doing this to humble YOU and show YOU how your father still has faith even though he is going through what you perceive to be hell?
I dont believe the burden is ever on someone regarding whether or not they may be "healed". If it is God's plan it is God's plan, and questioning someone's faith, or asking them if there are reasons why something did or did not happen to them is pulling the cart before the horse.

When I was a Christian, my belief was that you pray for God's will to be done, you ask what you might ask, and leave it at that, always praying first and foremost that God's will be done. Attempting to point the finger at this or that factor in a persons life or this or that thing they believe weakens faith and is counterproductive. It may lead to a cycle of shame or guilt, which I'm sure the God of the Bible would not want.

And as far as people rebuking sickness, ails, or problems, I had strong views on this as well. Who is anyone to rebuke what may be God's plan? If someone getting sick or dying is part of God's plan, what gives anyone the authority to rebuke it. That's why my view on this is that you pray about what you can pray about, and ask for what you want in accordance with God's plan, but don't try and cause miracles, cast out cancer, or any other type of shit that is not biblical.
 

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WHITE DEVIL said:
I dont believe the burden is ever on someone regarding whether or not they may be "healed". If it is God's plan it is God's plan, and questioning someone's faith, or asking them if there are reasons why something did or did not happen to them is pulling the cart before the horse.

When I was a Christian, my belief was that you pray for God's will to be done, you ask what you might ask, and leave it at that, always praying first and foremost that God's will be done. Attempting to point the finger at this or that factor in a persons life or this or that thing they believe weakens faith and is counterproductive. It may lead to a cycle of shame or guilt, which I'm sure the God of the Bible would not want.

And as far as people rebuking sickness, ails, or problems, I had strong views on this as well. Who is anyone to rebuke what may be God's plan? If someone getting sick or dying is part of God's plan, what gives anyone the authority to rebuke it. That's why my view on this is that you pray about what you can pray about, and ask for what you want in accordance with God's plan, but don't try and cause miracles, cast out cancer, or any other type of shit that is not biblical.
You quoted me, but are you directing your response towards me or someone else?
 
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I pray to let God know that Im thankful for everything that he has blessed me with, my experiences, my opportunities, my loved ones around me and everything that I have. I also pray for guidance in life and his unconditional love, because whatever that doesn't kill me will ultimately make me stronger. I pray God to steer my family and I on the right path in life, and let my loved ones that have passed away rest in peace and look over me.
 

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WHITE DEVIL said:
I had a response ready just in case it was me. Now that I know its me I can post it. Enjoy!


I dont believe the burden is ever on someone regarding whether or not they may be "healed".
Did you not read when I said, "If you believe there is a God wouldn't that be his choice?" If you can scour the net for pics of Vulcans and exploited women, you can spend a bit more time reading these posts instead of trying to live up to your "devil" persona.

J said he believes people should take responsibility for themselves, and I agree with him 100% in this aspect. Instead of praying to God to loose weight he went out and lost the weight by excercising and eating properly.

If it is God's plan it is God's plan, and questioning someone's faith, or asking them if there are reasons why something did or did not happen to them is pulling the cart before the horse.
Actually, you should be directing this at J instead of myself. He was the one who first asked WHY God didn't do this or why God didn't do that. I told him I don't know why and said, "it would be wrong to do so", so what the hell are you talking about?

When I was a Christian, my belief was that you pray for God's will to be done, you ask what you might ask, and leave it at that, always praying first and foremost that God's will be done. Attempting to point the finger at this or that factor in a persons life or this or that thing they believe weakens faith and is counterproductive. It may lead to a cycle of shame or guilt, which I'm sure the God of the Bible would not want.
The fact that you are an apostate telling the board about what the God of the Bible would not want is comical. Here it is you were crying out to God on your death bed, and being self serving, but now that you are o.k., God doesn't exist. Wouldn't the same God call you an apostate and toss your corpse in the lowest depths of hell for rejecting him? Oh yeah, "well hell can be interpreted anyway blah blah blah", and "who says God is blah blah blah and scriptures are yada yada yada", yeah...whatever...:rolleyes:

Again, no one is pointing a finger at anything because I previously said, "I could say your father has sin in his life that prohibits a healing, or I can say it simply isn't time yet, but that would be guessing and it would be wrong to do so."

I don't know why his father is not healed and don't know why an undeserving apostate such as yourself was not allowed to succumb to cancer. Maybe it is so you can have a better seat in hell, but who knows? The only thing I am saying is to stop questioning God and viewing things in a negative light when you can count all things joy and look at it as glory for God.

And as far as people rebuking sickness, ails, or problems, I had strong views on this as well. Who is anyone to rebuke what may be God's plan?
You don't even believe in God, why are you rambling on about it? No one can rebuke Gods plan and people going on about healing tangents and how everyone is supposed to be healed by toe tapping and finger snapping is an idiot. If Gods plan is to humble J by working through his father, that is Gods plan, and no amount of praying and hollering is going to change that.
 
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Heresy said:
I don't know why his father is not healed and don't know why an undeserving apostate such as yourself was not allowed to succumb to cancer. Maybe it is so you can have a better seat in hell, but who knows?
If Gods plan is to humble J by working through his father, that is Gods plan
What you said about White Devil, I think is true, or that he's still waiting for him to repent and comeback.

As for God working through JMACLN's father, couldn't agree more.
 
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I read a Christmas card to my dad (cause he lost his vision in both his eyes now)....

its from his Christian brother...reads..(not in exact words but close)..

"you keep me believing god. I pray that you get healed daily.....God will work his miracles"

I think my dad knows that he could have prevented all of this...from happening to him. He also knows...."GOD" isnt gonna heal him.

what do you think COCKTON? You think god will heal my dad?

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