TI is Smart

[carl winslow]

then why'd they fire him?

2 reasons: because hes white and our society is one where our sensory systems react all strongly when we hear anything remotely racially offensive come outta a white persons mouth (especially when its about the people they enslaved. and nobody wants to be associated with the traditional white oppresors). but even with that, the general public still wont think or do shit about anything unless the media feeds it to them. imus had both – white, made fun of predominantly black people, and the media decided to make a story out of it. if it weren’t for all this, he wouldn’t of been fired. you know all the nasty jokes hes made about jews before? and yes, there were complaints, but the mainstream media didn’t feel the need to jump in, therefore nobody really gives a fuck, and the company gets to keep him on the air with no pressure from anyone. had he been black making fun of anyone else or had the media not given it attention, he would not have been fired from his job

if more figures of importance besides fat slut magoo oprah were able to make a compelling enough reason why TI is a boggie monster (maybe put terrorism in the mix or something, i don’t know), and it made for a good enough story for the media to keep talking about it like they did with imus, and got americans to talk about it, im pretty sure the white people who own TI would fire him with the quickness as well

 

[carl winslow]

hey carl

i seen eddy in county, he was dressed in drag and giving people massages.....it was a bad look

he learned that shit when he moved to california. all that liberal thought teaching him that its ok to dress like a woman and rub other men if it makes you "happy." i dont like gays...especially black gays...so we adopted waldo, which is kinda strange cause he fucks laura every night. sometimes that crazy nigga even fucks harriet...with me laying right next to them!!! lol, lofl, rolf, omg, wtf, stfu, hahahahahah!!!!!

so you're saying that he was fired because of pressure from the media. that sounds about right. but do you think it's okay for him (or anyone) to broadcast those kinds of racist comments?

i know this may sound wrong, but yeah. im not down for a group to think theyre genetically superior to another group. but i view race as we know it as simply something that has been socially created by stupid people. when it comes down to a serious issue, i could give a fuck what color a persons skin is. but i find it funny how people do take race something so serious that i don’t think deserves that attention. i personally like poking fun at that. i think racist people are hilarious because of their ignorance. its like laughing at kids say the darndest things. which is how i viewed imus’ comments. and i don’t think people should be fired for that. like dl hughely said, nobody has the right to tell anyone else what is or isn’t funny, whether you think its funny or not. and dl made some nasty comments about the rutgers girls saying theyre the ugliest girls hes ever seen. i thought that was funny and i don’t think he should be boycotted for being an “uglist”

 

[T-Spoon]

which is how i viewed imus’ comments. and i don’t think people should be fired for that. like dl hughely said, nobody has the right to tell anyone else what is or isn’t funny, whether you think its funny or not. and dl made some nasty comments about the rutgers girls saying theyre the ugliest girls hes ever seen. i thought that was funny and i don’t think he should be boycotted for being an “uglist”

lol, at how u think it's "funny" but ALOT of folx got OFFENDED. maybe thats y u don't think he shoulda got fired, u think? anyways, maybe ti's really talkin to or about "bitches" or "hoes", but wus imus REALLY talkin about "nappy headed HO'S"? here we are with this double standard bullshit. minorities are the "oppressed" nowadays. there might be alot of minorities that are racist, but we are not in power. whites are in power so therefore they need to be EXTRA careful about wut they spew out. carry on. fold.

 

[Darkshowdown]

you think a company doesnt control ti? they just arent being pressured to censor him."

No Atlantic dosent control T.I. bc He got 100% creative control over his music and what he says just like 50 Cent, Cam'ron, Busta Rhymes and some others

 

[carl winslow]

lol, at how u think it's "funny" but ALOT of folx got OFFENDED. maybe thats y u don't think he shoulda got fired, u think?

oh t-spoon here we go again. yes i do think its funny and im sorry if other people get offended. but could it be possible, if you break it down, that maybe their reason for being offended is not such a good one? go back in history and look at all the silly things people used to get offended over and decades later we look back at and just laugh at the fact that certain things were considered so taboo. but even that could be irrelevant because, could it also be possible that we shouldnt crucify every person that verbally offends alot of others. i personally hate mainstream rappers and the message they send out to the masses (and so do alot of people) but i would never suggest that they be forcefully ejected from tv and radio time. we're beyond that. straighten.

minorities are the "oppressed" nowadays. there might be alot of minorities that are racist, but we are not in power. whites are in power so therefore they need to be EXTRA careful about wut they spew out. carry on. fold.

if anything, whites should maybe be more accountable for distribution of resources and power. REAL ISSUES.
as far as how we make fun of each others artificial physical differences, or socially created stereotypical differences, thats not something i (or anyone, in my opinion) should take so serious. its like the kid that throws a temper tantrum because another kid calls him dumb dumb head for not getting the right answer.

No Atlantic dosent control T.I. bc He got 100% creative control over his music and what he says just like 50 Cent, Cam'ron, Busta Rhymes and some others

atlantic is owned by warner bro music, which is believed to still be partly owned by time warner. maybe im wrong, but if ti excercised his "100% creative control" in a way that affected big corporate money, i strongly believe he wouldnt be apart of atlantic much longer. ie: (and i know this would never happen but it works) pretend ti became like the 5th guy in this big sudden trend of american musicians to preach in thier music that we boycott watching certain channels, buying certain products etc. all or some of which are big money making assets for time warner. and it works, and profits start going down for them. then ti would learn what "100% creative control" really means, when time warner executives pay a visit to the atlantic studios.

but of course this wont happen because ti only talks about drug dealing, having money, etc. which isnt enough to get enough of the right people riled up. even if he made a song about how women are nothing but hoes and sluts, as long as the beat knocks, girls wont do shit about it:
girl - "he aint talking about me" [as she grinds on some guy to the lyrics "dumb hoe slut bitch"]. same girl after being asked about the imus situation - "fire that racist white boy!"

 

[carl winslow]

oh yeah, and what did ti mean by his comment?

 

[T-Spoon]

oh t-spoon here we go again. yes i do think its funny and im sorry if other people get offended. but could it be possible, if you break it down, that maybe their reason for being offended is not such a good one?

here we go again with this "tell people how they should feel" stuff. maybe a fat person shouldn't get offended when someone calls them a pig, cuz they shouldn't eat so much? bottom line, it's OFFENSIVE to MOST blaccs. how are u gonna tell us to NOT get offended?

if anything, whites should maybe be more accountable for distribution of resources and power. REAL ISSUES.
as far as how we make fun of each others artificial physical differences, or socially created stereotypical differences, thats not something i (or anyone, in my opinion) should take so serious. its like the kid that throws a temper tantrum because another kid calls him dumb dumb head for not getting the right answer.

the PROBLEM carl, is that the whites who hold power, have that imus attitude, jus like u. joking or not, how can we trust imus, who les say is a ceo of a fortune 500 company, who MAYBE be "accountable for distribution of resources and power" (a "REAL" issue"), to hire a more qualified blacc female compared to a less qualified white female if he jokingly will call her a "nappy headed ho"?. that's wut kinda sly sneaky racism blaccs are against. i'm curious, wut's ur race? fold.

 

[carl winslow]

i'm curious, wut's ur race? fold.

mexican. im pretty sure i was black in my past life though (and you cant tell me reincarnation isnt real).

here we go again with this "tell people how they should feel" stuff. maybe a fat person shouldn't get offended when someone calls them a pig, cuz they shouldn't eat so much?

no its not cause they shouldnt eat so much. its because theres nothing actually wrong with being fat. feeling bad about being fat is something that society has created. a guy wouldnt get mad if he was being made fun of for having a big dick, because thats something considered good in our culture. in other cultures it could be something offensive, as being fat could be a virtue in other cultures. my point is i dont take shit like this serious, because its all subjective, so i dont see wrong with making jokes about it. call me a spic, beaner, wetback all you want. if youre funny with it, ill laugh about it and respect you much more for your comedic ability. im not insecure about who i am and my heritage to be offended by shit like that. and if others are, im sorry, and my intention is never to hurt feelings, but rather to get everyone to lighten up. the same way its acceptable to discourage people from having low self esteem, i discourage people from being offended over these types of things.

bottom line, it's OFFENSIVE to MOST blaccs. how are u gonna tell us to NOT get offended?

im not saying dont get offended as much as im saying dont fire a person for this type of thing. imagine if we made a big deal out of everytime a celebrity figure made an offensive comment towards a group of people. and you mentioned fat people earlier. fuck, if we were to fire every person who made offensive comments about fat people, it would be ridiculous how many people would be getting fired from their jobs.

the PROBLEM carl, is that the whites who hold power, have that imus attitude, jus like u. joking or not, how can we trust imus, who les say is a ceo of a fortune 500 company, who MAYBE be "accountable for distribution of resources and power" (a "REAL" issue"), to hire a more qualified blacc female compared to a less qualified white female if he jokingly will call her a "nappy headed ho"?. that's wut kinda sly sneaky racism blaccs are against.

i see what youre saying, but shit man, do you know how many "racist" comments similar to a "nappy headed ho" comment are made behind closed doors. if anything, i respect people who say it openly more, because you know exactly where they stand, or in many cases theyre the ones who like me, just find shit like this funny, but are not racist at all. howard stern for example has made some comments that would probably offend you, but black people like snoop dogg love him, and call him "my nigga" cause they respect the comfort he feels with black people enough to crack jokes around them. if i were black, id much more suspect the white person who is so afraid of saying anything remotely offensive cause i feel like those people either feel some sort of guilt or fear for their true racist feelings, and probably inside actually believe in the whole scary/savage black man stereotype, and are terrified of unleashing it

 

[carl winslow]

i know we'll agree on something one day t-spoon

 

[DenverInput]

regardless if using those words is offensive freedom of speech should still be allowed

 

[T-Spoon]

i know we'll agree on something one day t-spoon

well i agree with u, right here:

i see what youre saying, but shit man, do you know how many "racist" comments similar to a "nappy headed ho" comment are made behind closed doors. if anything, i respect people who say it openly more, because you know exactly where they stand, or in many cases theyre the ones who like me, just find shit like this funny, but are not racist at all. howard stern for example has made some comments that would probably offend you, but black people like snoop dogg love him, and call him "my nigga" cause they respect the comfort he feels with black people enough to crack jokes around them. if i were black, id much more suspect the white person who is so afraid of saying anything remotely offensive cause i feel like those people either feel some sort of guilt or fear for their true racist feelings, and probably inside actually believe in the whole scary/savage black man stereotype, and are terrified of unleashing it

u also gotta understand, as crazy as it may sound, i KNO stern isn't racist due to the fact that his co host robin is a very good friend of his and is blacc. it might sound MINOR, but to ME it's major. i think if that small little detail were removed (robin), then i'd THINK he's racist. that's the problem, blaccs don't kno whether whites say shit to be funny, or racist. and we don't have the time to pull credentials, and judge, so IMO, whites should be more careful wut they spew (again, cuz they hold power). its not that we're (me and u) in opposite sides of the spectrum, it's jus we handle shit differently, and that's somethin u cant control about me. yeah, i wish i could jus brush it off my shoulders, but i've been thru so much (racism) that it's hard, and i'm not the type to jus sit down when someone approaches me standin up. maybe they're approachin me as a joke, but how should i kno, my first reaction is to jus stand up and swing. thats y they should jus not approach me, ya dig? fold.