The Official Raiders vs. Niners Shit Talking Thread. It Goes Down Oct. 17th
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Over here in the non-euphoria section of the Bay Area sports world, we’re getting ready for the Embarrassment Bowl: a regular season meeting between our two woeful NFL teams.
Once every four years, when inter-conference play dictates, we get the chance to measure the 49ers and Raiders side-by-side.
While this should, in theory, be a fun and entertaining event, it’s become a depressing exercise in learning who stinks less.
In 2000 and 2002 -- when both teams were actually functioning with a high degree of competence -- the games appropriately went to overtime, with each team winning on the road. In 2006, we learned that Mike Nolan’s lousy 49ers team stunk less than Art Shell’s historically bad Raiders team.
So going into Sunday’s game at Candlestick Park, who stinks less?
Obviously, it’s the Raiders. Oakland is 2-3, while the 49ers are 0-5. The Raiders are coming off a huge victory over the Chargers, the first time they’ve beaten San Diego in seven years.
The 49ers are coming off another helping of misery.
How else do the two teams compare in important areas?
QUARTERBACK (AND CONTINGENCY PLAN)
The Raiders have two quarterbacks who have proven they can win a game. The 49ers have one quarterback who proves every week that he can’t.
Bruce Gradkowski, who is back to starting this week after leaving the game with an injury last week, has that intangible element that is useful for the less physically gifted quarterbacks in the league: he has an innate ability to rally his team. Jason Campbell has more tools and appears to be finding his comfort zone. He came off the bench to lead the team against San Diego.
Alex Smith? No rallying ability. No comfort zone. Right now -- nothing, including no viable backup option.
Edge: Raiders
COACH (AND CONTINGENCY PLAN)
Tom Cable and Mike Singletary earned their jobs the same way: they happened to be sitting nearby when their boss got fired. Since their respective interim ascendance in 2008, Cable has gone 11-22 while Singletary has a 13-17 record.
Edge: Raiders
Singletary hasn’t gotten more praise, as a leader and deep-voiced motivator. But Cable is holding his ow. He has, without question, more difficult working circumstances. Less control over his situation. He’s been on the hot seat every second that he’s had the job. Until the past week, Singletary’s security has never been questioned.
While no genius, Cable clearly has a better grasp of technical football than Singletary. He’s been a head coach before, an offensive coordinator, an offensive line coach. Singletary has never had to make a game plan.
And in the event of total failure? Well, of course Al Davis has a backup plan. He brought in Hue Jackson and the obvious assumption is that if he fires Cable, Jackson – who has extensive experience running offenses – would inherit the job. If the 49ers feel the need to fire Singletary – and according to Dadgum Yahoo reports, they might be - there isn’t another truly qualified candidate in the building.
Edge: Raiders
FRONT OFFICE DECISION-MAKING
This is when you know the 49ers are in real trouble – when they’re making Al Davis look like the sane and rational owner in the area. Normally, I’m not a fan of Davis’ impulsive and punitive style of management. His constant coaching turnover since Jon Gruden left has led to a lack of stability and hurt his team.
But, in contrast to the 49ers stagnation, I admire Davis’ sense of urgency. His willingness to make change when things aren’t working. I thought pride and finances would prompt him to hold onto JaMarcus Russell. I was wrong. Davis jettisoned the useless quarterback. Meanwhile, the 49ers - in Years Six – continue to “exhaust everything with Alex Smith,” as Singletary said Monday.
Davis, for all his faults, truly does want to win, baby. He feels the intense pressure of the league. The York’s 49ers? They act like they’re running a NFL preschool, where their coach and quarterback (and owners) can get their feet wet and learn before heading off to the real NFL.
The Raiders are essentially a one-man operation, run by one of the legends of the league. There’s talk that the NFL has passed Davis by. But the 49ers are a team running without any expertise, without any proven NFL veteran. Better to be passed by than to never be plugged in at all.
Edge: Raiders
Conclusion? The Raiders aren’t a very good team. But they’re the best NFL team we have right now.
Tags: Oakland Raiders, San Francisco 49ers, Tom Cable, Mike Singletary
Read more: Killion: 49ers-Raiders, Who Has the Edge?
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
CSNBayArea.com
Over here in the non-euphoria section of the Bay Area sports world, we’re getting ready for the Embarrassment Bowl: a regular season meeting between our two woeful NFL teams.
Once every four years, when inter-conference play dictates, we get the chance to measure the 49ers and Raiders side-by-side.
While this should, in theory, be a fun and entertaining event, it’s become a depressing exercise in learning who stinks less.
In 2000 and 2002 -- when both teams were actually functioning with a high degree of competence -- the games appropriately went to overtime, with each team winning on the road. In 2006, we learned that Mike Nolan’s lousy 49ers team stunk less than Art Shell’s historically bad Raiders team.
So going into Sunday’s game at Candlestick Park, who stinks less?
Obviously, it’s the Raiders. Oakland is 2-3, while the 49ers are 0-5. The Raiders are coming off a huge victory over the Chargers, the first time they’ve beaten San Diego in seven years.
The 49ers are coming off another helping of misery.
How else do the two teams compare in important areas?
QUARTERBACK (AND CONTINGENCY PLAN)
The Raiders have two quarterbacks who have proven they can win a game. The 49ers have one quarterback who proves every week that he can’t.
Bruce Gradkowski, who is back to starting this week after leaving the game with an injury last week, has that intangible element that is useful for the less physically gifted quarterbacks in the league: he has an innate ability to rally his team. Jason Campbell has more tools and appears to be finding his comfort zone. He came off the bench to lead the team against San Diego.
Alex Smith? No rallying ability. No comfort zone. Right now -- nothing, including no viable backup option.
Edge: Raiders
COACH (AND CONTINGENCY PLAN)
Tom Cable and Mike Singletary earned their jobs the same way: they happened to be sitting nearby when their boss got fired. Since their respective interim ascendance in 2008, Cable has gone 11-22 while Singletary has a 13-17 record.
Edge: Raiders
Singletary hasn’t gotten more praise, as a leader and deep-voiced motivator. But Cable is holding his ow. He has, without question, more difficult working circumstances. Less control over his situation. He’s been on the hot seat every second that he’s had the job. Until the past week, Singletary’s security has never been questioned.
While no genius, Cable clearly has a better grasp of technical football than Singletary. He’s been a head coach before, an offensive coordinator, an offensive line coach. Singletary has never had to make a game plan.
And in the event of total failure? Well, of course Al Davis has a backup plan. He brought in Hue Jackson and the obvious assumption is that if he fires Cable, Jackson – who has extensive experience running offenses – would inherit the job. If the 49ers feel the need to fire Singletary – and according to Dadgum Yahoo reports, they might be - there isn’t another truly qualified candidate in the building.
Edge: Raiders
FRONT OFFICE DECISION-MAKING
This is when you know the 49ers are in real trouble – when they’re making Al Davis look like the sane and rational owner in the area. Normally, I’m not a fan of Davis’ impulsive and punitive style of management. His constant coaching turnover since Jon Gruden left has led to a lack of stability and hurt his team.
But, in contrast to the 49ers stagnation, I admire Davis’ sense of urgency. His willingness to make change when things aren’t working. I thought pride and finances would prompt him to hold onto JaMarcus Russell. I was wrong. Davis jettisoned the useless quarterback. Meanwhile, the 49ers - in Years Six – continue to “exhaust everything with Alex Smith,” as Singletary said Monday.
Davis, for all his faults, truly does want to win, baby. He feels the intense pressure of the league. The York’s 49ers? They act like they’re running a NFL preschool, where their coach and quarterback (and owners) can get their feet wet and learn before heading off to the real NFL.
The Raiders are essentially a one-man operation, run by one of the legends of the league. There’s talk that the NFL has passed Davis by. But the 49ers are a team running without any expertise, without any proven NFL veteran. Better to be passed by than to never be plugged in at all.
Edge: Raiders
Conclusion? The Raiders aren’t a very good team. But they’re the best NFL team we have right now.
Tags: Oakland Raiders, San Francisco 49ers, Tom Cable, Mike Singletary
Read more: Killion: 49ers-Raiders, Who Has the Edge?
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
Crabtree vs. DHB
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I spoke with 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree about playing the Raiders for the first time since they skipped him in the 2009 draft.
Some players say they get over perceived snubs. Not Crabtree. Here's a taste of what he had to say about the face of Crabtree v. Darrius Heyward-Bey, or at least the team that picked DHB with the No. 7 overall pick.
"I wouldn't say I was stunned, it's one of those things that happened," Crabtree said. "I guess it is what it is, but you'll always have that in the back of your mind when you play them. Yeah, it's going to be big this week.
Across the Bay, Raiders coach Tom Cable explained why they (with they being Al Davis) picked an honorable mention All-ACC project over a two-time Biletnikoff Award winner.
"He's fast and he's a big kid and he's certainly proved to us he can develop and he's doing that now," Cable said. "Without question, we're proud of it. Certainly it was questioned last year and maybe rightly so just in terms of production but I think he's turning that around quickly."
But is DHB doing any such thing?
Yes, Crabtree has been a problem at times with a lengthy contract holdout and neck injury in training camp. But, in terms of production, it is not even close.
Crabtree had nine catches for 105 yards Sunday. DHB has 11 catches for 142 yards all season.
Both have 16 career starts, giving them the equivalent of a full season to compare. The numbers: Crabtree has 68 catches for 689 yards and three touchdowns, DHB has 20 catches for 266 yards and two touchdowns.
Crabtree has never played a game without a catch. DHB has gone catchless in six of 16 starts, including last week's game.
Advantage, Niners.
** So will the 49ers throw to Crabtree on first down Sunday against the Raiders? They will try if offensive coordinator Mike Johnson means what he says.
Against the Eagles, the Raiders ran the ball on eight straight first-down plays. Niners coach Mike Singletary said Johnson was doing what they talked about during the week, inferring that Singletary does indeed give his input on the offensive game plan.
One week earlier, the 49ers passed on eight of 11 first-down plays in the first half of Johnson's offensive coordinator debut.
Johnson said they will have more balance Sunday, but man, it has to be tempting to just pound the ball down Oakland's throat. The Raiders' run defense has been bottom-five every year since 2006.
Remember Gore's 49-yard blastoff against the Raiders in the third exhibition game, when left guard Mike Iupati rolled upfield and sent middle linebacker Rolando McClain into the next stratosphere? All day.
** Here's what Cable said about Iupati, who played at Idaho just like Cable: "I think he's going to be a fine player, very powerful guy. I liked him coming out. Looking at him on tape you can see him progressing well."
** Jason Campbell is all but certain to start at quarterback. For those counting, the Raiders' left tackle has sent the quarterback to the MRI room in four games since Dec. 13 -- including Bruce Gradkowski on Sunday.
Mario Henderson let 49ers linebacker Travis LaBoy blast Campbell into a cart ride with a stinger in the exhibition game. His missed blocks has gotten three quarterbacks hurt, with rookie Jared Vehldeer doing the honors last week.
Both play in a rotation that should help LaBoy and Justin Smith pad their stats Sunday.
"I think so with the guys that they have," defensive coordinator Greg Manusky said when asked if he like the matchup. "Each week you go into a game plan and you're trying to attack whoever you got to attack. They're still good players. They're going through some stuff over there. For the most part, they're playing well."
Posted By: David White (Email, Twitter) | October 14 2010 at 06:32 PM
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=74656#ixzz12OizdhMO
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I spoke with 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree about playing the Raiders for the first time since they skipped him in the 2009 draft.
Some players say they get over perceived snubs. Not Crabtree. Here's a taste of what he had to say about the face of Crabtree v. Darrius Heyward-Bey, or at least the team that picked DHB with the No. 7 overall pick.
"I wouldn't say I was stunned, it's one of those things that happened," Crabtree said. "I guess it is what it is, but you'll always have that in the back of your mind when you play them. Yeah, it's going to be big this week.
Across the Bay, Raiders coach Tom Cable explained why they (with they being Al Davis) picked an honorable mention All-ACC project over a two-time Biletnikoff Award winner.
"He's fast and he's a big kid and he's certainly proved to us he can develop and he's doing that now," Cable said. "Without question, we're proud of it. Certainly it was questioned last year and maybe rightly so just in terms of production but I think he's turning that around quickly."
But is DHB doing any such thing?
Yes, Crabtree has been a problem at times with a lengthy contract holdout and neck injury in training camp. But, in terms of production, it is not even close.
Crabtree had nine catches for 105 yards Sunday. DHB has 11 catches for 142 yards all season.
Both have 16 career starts, giving them the equivalent of a full season to compare. The numbers: Crabtree has 68 catches for 689 yards and three touchdowns, DHB has 20 catches for 266 yards and two touchdowns.
Crabtree has never played a game without a catch. DHB has gone catchless in six of 16 starts, including last week's game.
Advantage, Niners.
** So will the 49ers throw to Crabtree on first down Sunday against the Raiders? They will try if offensive coordinator Mike Johnson means what he says.
Against the Eagles, the Raiders ran the ball on eight straight first-down plays. Niners coach Mike Singletary said Johnson was doing what they talked about during the week, inferring that Singletary does indeed give his input on the offensive game plan.
One week earlier, the 49ers passed on eight of 11 first-down plays in the first half of Johnson's offensive coordinator debut.
Johnson said they will have more balance Sunday, but man, it has to be tempting to just pound the ball down Oakland's throat. The Raiders' run defense has been bottom-five every year since 2006.
Remember Gore's 49-yard blastoff against the Raiders in the third exhibition game, when left guard Mike Iupati rolled upfield and sent middle linebacker Rolando McClain into the next stratosphere? All day.
** Here's what Cable said about Iupati, who played at Idaho just like Cable: "I think he's going to be a fine player, very powerful guy. I liked him coming out. Looking at him on tape you can see him progressing well."
** Jason Campbell is all but certain to start at quarterback. For those counting, the Raiders' left tackle has sent the quarterback to the MRI room in four games since Dec. 13 -- including Bruce Gradkowski on Sunday.
Mario Henderson let 49ers linebacker Travis LaBoy blast Campbell into a cart ride with a stinger in the exhibition game. His missed blocks has gotten three quarterbacks hurt, with rookie Jared Vehldeer doing the honors last week.
Both play in a rotation that should help LaBoy and Justin Smith pad their stats Sunday.
"I think so with the guys that they have," defensive coordinator Greg Manusky said when asked if he like the matchup. "Each week you go into a game plan and you're trying to attack whoever you got to attack. They're still good players. They're going through some stuff over there. For the most part, they're playing well."
Posted By: David White (Email, Twitter) | October 14 2010 at 06:32 PM
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=74656#ixzz12OizdhMO
^No, I had doubts when the season started, and I have even more doubts now that y'all are winless and aching for a win.....especially now that jobs might be on the line. I'm pretty sure I said something like that on here, I know I hoped for smith to have one of his up days against the eagles so it can be a down day against us.....it's just bullshit that the regular season games keep being in SF
I don't know if it was you that posted this in ECCR or someone else, but they got clowned for it. so much so that they deleted the thread. anyone who's stupid enough to think that the 9ers "invaded" oakland is a moron. that shit happens every time there's an SF vs Oakland game, cuz there's fans of both at either stadium. There will be plenty of fans in black in SF just as there'd be hella fans in red in oakland.
I don't own a SF anything hat (except a giants colored Golden State Warriors new era) and only hats go in my avatar.
I'll do a sig bet tho.
but lol, why is it that a sharks fan steps up tho instead of a hardcore sf 9er?
there should be an official game bet thread, but we already got like 15 sf vs oakland threads.....lol
I'll do a sig bet tho.
but lol, why is it that a sharks fan steps up tho instead of a hardcore sf 9er?
there should be an official game bet thread, but we already got like 15 sf vs oakland threads.....lol