yep in preseason when he actually got p.t.... dhb,ford,schillens,moore, and with murphy back it fucked up Dereks pt even more.. but what we did lack was a guy who could run tha middle of tha field and take hits.. welcome TJ! Im not big on TJ or anything but as I said many times, he has experience with our QB.. lets get tha ball rollin! not like this is training camp or anything , we late in tha season lets go... Hagan wouldn't be getting much p.t. regardless.. I'm sure TJ will see the field more often then not tho jus cuz of the simple fact "chemistry" is already there
The Official Oakland Raiders 2011 Season Thread
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besides the seymour trade, when did al ever trade away a 1st round pick? you're talking out of your ass, you male groupie. I bet if e-40 made a niners anthem, you'd switch teams.
al never would have given up two of them, especially considering we're already short on picks in the next draft and we just had a draft without a 1st. the situation is different. al would have gone after orton most likely. al loved making his 1st round picks.
al never would have given up two of them, especially considering we're already short on picks in the next draft and we just had a draft without a 1st. the situation is different. al would have gone after orton most likely. al loved making his 1st round picks.
your dumbass was trying to make it seem like al was in the habit of trading away 1st round picks. the other picks he traded away were just for more picks. gave a 2nd round 2012 so we could draft taiwan jones and joe barksdale in the 2011 draft. al used the 3rd round pick on pryor. we didn't trade them away for veterans, we used them ahead of time to bring in young talent. get e-40's dick off your mind before you decide to start talking about shit you don't know about.
Seymour trade was stupid?? I beg to differ.. not only has he been a key part to our d line these past 2 years, dude brought something a rookie couldn't bring here,, and thats veteran leadership and a winning attitude.. he single handedly help shape up tha form in tha locker room.. dudes been a huge part to our turn around.. I'd do this trade over and over again.. he still has a lot left to give too..
now tha Palmer trade I'll just have to wait and see.. can't judge him based on one 2nd half performance ona brand new team.. maybe he really will be a real QB that we've been lacking who knows.. time will tell
now tha Palmer trade I'll just have to wait and see.. can't judge him based on one 2nd half performance ona brand new team.. maybe he really will be a real QB that we've been lacking who knows.. time will tell
al never traded a 1st round pick before the seymour trade, it's not something that he would usually do. you implied that it was and now you're backpedaling.
http://www.xxlmag.com/bloggers/2006/04/male-groupies-the-real-reason-rappers-need-security/
http://www.xxlmag.com/bloggers/2006/04/male-groupies-the-real-reason-rappers-need-security/
since we on tha Seymour subject now
When Seymour came to the Raiders, the impact was immediate. While he was not a world beater, his impact on the team was undeniable.
Seymour brought something to the Raiders that no other member of the team could, a winning mentality and a winners' experience. Seymour showed the team what it takes to be a winner when he put his ego aside and was the first player on the rookie/sophomore bus to training camp.
Seymour showed the Raiders what it means to put the team first when he moved from defensive end to defensive tackle without so much of a mumble of a complaint.
However, while his impact on the team's mentality has played a big role in the resurgence of the Raiders, it is his impact on the field that makes him easily worth the first-round pick Al Davis gave for him.
Seymour's own play has been very good as he made the pro-bowl for the sixth time in his career in 2010. But really, it is the effect that he has had on the rest of the defensive line that has made him so valuable.
For the first time since he was playing alongside Warran Sapp, Tommy Kelly has great talent playing along side him which has allowed him to live up to the potential all of the Raiders fans knew he had. In addition, Kelly came into Raiders camp in 2010 in amazing shape, something that I'm convinced Seymour had to do with since Kelly talked so much about how much Seymour has helped him continue to develop.
In addition, the Raiders young defensive linemen like Trevor Scott, Matt Shaughnessy, Desmond Bryant and Lamarr Houston have all benefited from learning their trade from a six-ime Pro Bowler and three-time Super Bowl champion.
Seymour has brought a winning mentality to the Raiders for the first time in years and has everyone on the defensive line playing better because of his influence.
That is something you cannot say about the Raiders recent first round picks. In looking at the value of the trade, one must also consider how the Raiders have fared in the first round in recent years.
Starting with the 2002 draft, the Raiders have selected 11 players in the first round. Those players were Napolean Harris, Philip Buchannon, Tyler Brayton, Nnamdi Asomugha, Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, Michael Huff, JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Rolando McClain.
Harris, Buchannon, Brayton, Russell, Gallery and Washington never panned out for the Raiders. Gallery was the most recent to leave, and though he ended up being a solid guard, guards do not get taken early in the first round.
Of the players that stuck around the Raiders, only two of these 11 could be seen as having a significant impact on the team—Nnamdi Asomugha and Darren McFadden; however, neither of them had much of an impact in their first two years with the team.
Michael Huff finally came into his own last season, but only after struggling for four years and now it looks as though he might not even be with the Raiders next season.
DHB obviously has not been an impact player in his first two years and it is yet to be seen if he ever will be.*DHB livin up to his expectations finally* Rolando McClain had a decent first season but still has a lot of room to improve.
Though we have found two very good players in the first round with Asomugha and DMAC, they are obviously in the minority and did not have the impact in their first two years that Seymour has had in his first two years.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-seymour-was-worth-giving-up-first-round-pick
When Seymour came to the Raiders, the impact was immediate. While he was not a world beater, his impact on the team was undeniable.
Seymour brought something to the Raiders that no other member of the team could, a winning mentality and a winners' experience. Seymour showed the team what it takes to be a winner when he put his ego aside and was the first player on the rookie/sophomore bus to training camp.
Seymour showed the Raiders what it means to put the team first when he moved from defensive end to defensive tackle without so much of a mumble of a complaint.
However, while his impact on the team's mentality has played a big role in the resurgence of the Raiders, it is his impact on the field that makes him easily worth the first-round pick Al Davis gave for him.
Seymour's own play has been very good as he made the pro-bowl for the sixth time in his career in 2010. But really, it is the effect that he has had on the rest of the defensive line that has made him so valuable.
For the first time since he was playing alongside Warran Sapp, Tommy Kelly has great talent playing along side him which has allowed him to live up to the potential all of the Raiders fans knew he had. In addition, Kelly came into Raiders camp in 2010 in amazing shape, something that I'm convinced Seymour had to do with since Kelly talked so much about how much Seymour has helped him continue to develop.
In addition, the Raiders young defensive linemen like Trevor Scott, Matt Shaughnessy, Desmond Bryant and Lamarr Houston have all benefited from learning their trade from a six-ime Pro Bowler and three-time Super Bowl champion.
Seymour has brought a winning mentality to the Raiders for the first time in years and has everyone on the defensive line playing better because of his influence.
That is something you cannot say about the Raiders recent first round picks. In looking at the value of the trade, one must also consider how the Raiders have fared in the first round in recent years.
Starting with the 2002 draft, the Raiders have selected 11 players in the first round. Those players were Napolean Harris, Philip Buchannon, Tyler Brayton, Nnamdi Asomugha, Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, Michael Huff, JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Rolando McClain.
Harris, Buchannon, Brayton, Russell, Gallery and Washington never panned out for the Raiders. Gallery was the most recent to leave, and though he ended up being a solid guard, guards do not get taken early in the first round.
Of the players that stuck around the Raiders, only two of these 11 could be seen as having a significant impact on the team—Nnamdi Asomugha and Darren McFadden; however, neither of them had much of an impact in their first two years with the team.
Michael Huff finally came into his own last season, but only after struggling for four years and now it looks as though he might not even be with the Raiders next season.
DHB obviously has not been an impact player in his first two years and it is yet to be seen if he ever will be.*DHB livin up to his expectations finally* Rolando McClain had a decent first season but still has a lot of room to improve.
Though we have found two very good players in the first round with Asomugha and DMAC, they are obviously in the minority and did not have the impact in their first two years that Seymour has had in his first two years.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-seymour-was-worth-giving-up-first-round-pick
I'm not tryna backpedal. I don't claim to know every trade Al Davis made. That one was still fresh on my mind and I thought that was pretty dumb at the time. I didn't expect them to even be 8-8 last year. I thought that would be a top 10 pick. Therefore the Palmer trade made me think that's totally something Al Davis would do.
