The Official Oakland Raiders 2011 Season Thread

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we def. need to get a GM in Oak.. (we've been needing 1, even when AL was here *R.I.P.*) Madden get in there and help!

but its nice to see a coach finally get full control of a team.. I can't tell you if these moves will pay off or not until games are played and won.. but I can tell you all these coaches know their game and are up to date with diff. plays, schemes, etc.. so we no longer have to play 1 style of defense, and particular plays in offense.. we can play however in order to win games.. hello 2011! our defense looks to be improving each game and are we actually blitzing and doing zone packages instead of running man to man every down?! yes!! were on tha rise nation.. block these whiner fans and other teams fans out.. they are nothin but raider haters.. and I cant blame em.. I hate their teams as well.. silver & black'd out ready to get it baby
 
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despite of TJ pans out here or not, it's nice to have a vet. with experience (even tho yes he dropped tha damn ball ina playoff game, shit happens, move on ) we got a core full of talented YOUNG WRs.. now they can get game'd up and improve their skillsets.. besides tha thought of TJ in tha slot actually seems good to me.. I was dissapointed in cutting Hagan but lets be honest were not losing a probowl wr :eek: and I'd rather have him go over DHB,FORD,SCHILLENS,MOORE,MURPHY( he'll get back to his form ).. and tha fact its soo late in tha season and we are going thru this new QB change, its good to have a WR whose worked with him year in, year out.. I can see TJ becoming clutch on 3rd downs for us,, at least he aint scared to take a damn hit!
 
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Q and A with T.J. Houshmandzadeh

New Raiders receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh will play in Sunday’s game against the the Broncos, just five days after being signed. He talked about his role with the team, and getting back together with old Bengals buddy Carson Palmer:

Q: Impressions of new team?
A: It’s good man. It was fun being out here after being away for a while. I have to get used to the helmet and shoulder pads and running around with bodies is a lot different than just working out for sure. You got to get used to making people miss and knowing you’re going to get a collision in the open field and just guys in front of you.

Q: Delicate to assume leadership role?
A: I think you don’t really make yourself a leader. To me, a leader is somebody that people are willing to follow. If that’s the case, then that’s the case. Guys that help me, I’m going to help them. I won’t force my beliefs or what I think is the right way to do certain things on anybody. That’s not me. But if they want help, I’ll help them.

Q: Surprised took this long to get job?
A: To be honest with you I am. Things are out of my control. All I can do is these last nine games play the best I can play and help the Raiders win as many games that they can. That’s pretty much all I can do.

Q: Was it frustrating?
A: You know what it was humbling. It’s not frustrating, it was humbling. That’s just being honest with you. On the flip side of that it was great because I got to spend so much time with my wife and my kids. Being up here last night it was like ‘wow I really miss them.’ We spend all day together. That’s just what we do. I go work out, they go to school after that. We’re together every day, all day. That was a good thing. But I love to play football. This is what I love to do. I don’t have to play for money. Financially I’m OK. I’m playing because I want to play and I enjoy it.

Q: How big a factor is your chemistry with Carson?
A: I’m not sure. I think it will help when I do get a chance to get on the field. I think Hue knowing me and being comfortable with me. If I can’t do anything. They say I can’t run, whatever. But I can run a route and I can get open with the best of them and I can catch the ball. The last play that I played I dropped it. That’s something I really don’t do so I’m eager to get that behind me also.

Q: Did you talk to Hue much in training camp?
A: We talked a little bit. I never thought it would get as far as it did so I had different opportunities. You don’t think it’s going to get this far so certain opportunities you say ‘Oh let’s just wait.’ And a wait turned into a wait and wait and wait.

Q: So you put Raiders on hold?
A: No, no, no. I’m just saying with other teams. I’ve always wanted to be able to play for Hue again. I didn’t think I would get the opportunity but it’s great. When Hue was my coach in Cincinnati I said it and I’ll say it now. I always thought he should have been a head coach because of his demeanor, his ability to relate to players. He lets you be you but he doesn’t really let you go overboard with it. It’s a fine line. It’s like colleges. He knows how to relate to players. That’s what a good head coach is and I always thought he had those qualities.

Q: How do you make team better?
A: I can’t even answer that for sure. Once we get out there I can tell you. I’m a football fan. I follow football. Sundays when I was at home I tried to flip through all the different channels, had the little Sunday Ticket and watch as many games as I can. Just with the guys they have. They’re all fast. But they don’t really have a guy who can work the middle of the field and can run routes. So I think I can bring that to the table. With those guys on the outside and the way Carson throws the ball and his ability to understand what a defense is trying to do, I think we can be really good if we put this thing together real fast. All these receivers can play here. Me being here my first day. They all can play.

Q: What do you have left?
A: This is what I tell people all the time. I played one year of high school football. I played three years of college. I didn’t play my first three years in the NFL. I’ve never been hurt. I think I can play for a while. That’s just being honest. I don’t feel sore. I can run. I just feel good. I feel better now and it could be because I wasn’t playing all these weeks when other guys were, but I feel good. People look at age and this and that, look at the body and the injuries and playing time. I haven’t played a lot in my career. I sat on the bench for three years.

Q: Ever think your NFL career was over?
A: It crossed my mind. I’m sure it did. But again it wasn’t one of those things where I was like what am I going to do if I don’t play. I love my kids and my wife so it was just like we are going to do something every day. They go to school and they have activities and I’m at every practice. This is the truth. Wherever I go, I live in LA, every fan, ‘Go play for the Raiders.’ Truth. If people watch this, I probably got It 50 times a day, at least. My kids play softball. I go to softball tournaments over the summer, probably got that 200 times. I just want to have fun and help the team

Q: Not worry about contact when you’re catching one over the middle?
A: Just try to focus on the ball, really. I don’t care if I get hit. If you don’t catch it, they’re going to hit you any way. So that’s how I look at it. I focus on the ball and Hey, I’m really looking forward to getting hit, because with the new rules they can’t really come hit you hard so that’s (reason) to concentrate on the ball even more. But I’ve always been that way. They’re going to hit you anyway; I want to catch the ball. I told Carson years ago — I’ll take any hit for a catch, I don’t care who it is. It could be Richard Seymour across the middle. If you’re going to throw me the ball, I’l take that hit for the ball. That’s just what I believe in.

Q: How long did it take Carson to get his arm strength back?
A: Only he could tell you how long. It’s jut from my being around him, we work out every summer, and just last summer the zip wasn’t there. It was at certain times but I think he fatigued really quick. But this summer I asked him, I think it was one of the let times we worked out, actually, and he was like, Yeah, it was bothering me. But he’s not going to say anything. The more you guys get to know him, he’s not going to complain. If he throws an interception and it’s my fault, he’s going to say it’s his fault. That’s just how he is. BUt I noticed it and it’s a big difference. People on TV, they’re like, ‘Oh, he doesn’t have the arm strength.’ They don’t know what they’re talking about.

Q: By last summer you mean 2010, not 2011?
A: In 2010, I didn’t think it was what it was, but this summer I thought, ‘Wow, this is like Carson when we were rolling in Cincinnati.’

Q: Carson says you play with a chip on your shoulder?
A: I mean, I have. I’ve been doubted my whole life, you know? If you go back and look at my story and my life, I’m not supposed to be here. I’m supposed to be working at UPS or something, I don’t know. FedEx. I’m not supposed to be here; I’m not supposed to be in the NFL. I wasn’t highly-touted, highly-recruited. Out of Juco I was. But I’m not a guy that’s supposed to be here and I’ve been doubted my whole life so I think that’s what drives me because people say, Oh, you can;t do this, you can;t do that. I feel like, If you want to play basketball, I can play with you. If you want to hit home run derby, I can hit home runs. If you want to play golf, I can hit the golf ball. That’s just how I feel and I believe in myself but yeah, I’ve been doubted my whole life so being in the NFL is no different.

Q: Still chasing a championship?
A: Yeah, that was the biggest reason me going to Baltimore last year and, again, when it mattered, I dropped the ball. Not saying we would have won the game but we would have had a chance to continue that drive, but yes. When I look at the Raiders, and I follow football like I said earlier, they have so much talent. They have a coach who I believe in. And, if Hue said, ‘Guys, listen, we’re going to get in the Wing-T and we’re going to run the option this week, T.J., I need you to be the fullback and lead up the A Gap,’ I’m going to do it. I might say, ‘Why does he want to do that?’ But I’m going to do it because I believe in his ability to lead us to victory in the way that he coaches. And, man, the Raiders have a lot of talent on this team it’s just a matter of putting everything together.

Q: You’ve brought up that drop twice, it still haunt you?
A: No, it doesn’t haunt me. It bothers me. Because I don’t drop the ball. But I dropped that ball and I’m not ashamed to say I dropped it. But I did. So, it is what it is.

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2011/11/03/q-and-a-with-t-j-houshmandzadeh/
 
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Raiders' Amy Trask driven like Davis

There is a T-shirt in Amy Trask's wardrobe that sits somewhere between the perfectly pressed black power suits and white sweaters with matching slacks. It is Trask's favorite T-shirt, and might possibly describe where all of this is going. On the front it says there are 31 teams in the NFL. On the back it reads, "And then there are the Raiders."

Trask is zooming 100 mph in the bye week, tapping e-mails on her worn-out BlackBerry, plotting out moves, which means she has to do this interview by phone.

This way, it is impossible to know whether her pauses are from deep reflection or if she's getting choked up in the toughest month in the history of the Oakland Raiders' franchise. Her critics would say that Trask, CEO of the Raiders, is just carefully trying to measure her words and hide behind the silver-and-black curtain of a franchise notoriously cloaked in secrecy. They call her "Al Davis with ovaries." They wonder if she'd consider that a compliment. Nearly everyone who will talk about Trask uses the word "tough" in describing the woman who is now, three weeks after Davis' death, the front-office face of the Oakland Raiders. The most powerful woman in the NFL.

But Trask does not want to talk about gender, and also makes it very clear from the start that she will not spend the conversation unlocking any secrets about her mentor. She respected his privacy when he was alive, she says. She'll protect in death, too.

Uncertainty rumbles on the east side of the San Francisco Bay. Anti-Wall Street protestors are filling the streets of Oakland; politicians are fretting over a stadium initiative. And for the first time in five decades, the Raiders must carry on without their iconic leader.

Oakland is an NFL anomaly in many ways, most notably in its power structure. Everything -- from trades to travel to the decision that it's nobody's damn business what the team had for breakfast -- flowed through Davis, who ran the show for 48 years. It is still unknown whether the 82-year-old owner/general manager had a succession plan in the event of his death, but it is clear that the Raiders, who are 4-3 and in the hunt for their first playoff berth in nine years, have been aggressive in the days since his death.

They gave up what eventually could amount to two first-round draft picks for quarterback Carson Palmer, traded for Seattle linebacker Aaron Curry, and on Tuesday signed veteran receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The moves were no doubt influenced by Raiders coach Hue Jackson -- he worked with Palmer and Houshmandzadeh in Cincinnati -- and were presumably approved by Trask and Mark Davis, Al's son, in a collaborative effort.

Trask will say only that the Palmer decision was "a team approach, and it involved a number of people within the organization." She is witty and polite and talks for more than an hour on the phone, but doesn't reveal much. She stands 5-foot-3 and weighs just a shade over 100 pounds, this tiny woman in a big-boy world, but is nearly impossible to pin down. Maybe that's the lawyer in her. Maybe that's how Trask, a former Raiders intern, became one of the select few to gain Al Davis' trust.

The old man drives her, especially now. To stand out, to fight, to compromise. To finish something he couldn't.

Football at an early age

A number of former Raiders coaches and players declined to comment for this story. Others simply said they didn't know Trask, who handles all non-football operations, well enough to chime in. But there is an endearing scene that was captured on video and posted on YouTube last month, moments after Oakland knocked off the Texans, the day after Davis' death. Trask is shown hugging players as they came off the field in Houston.

"Everyone was hugging everyone," Trask says, deflecting the warm-and-fuzzy significance of the video. "It was a very emotional day."

She has been married for more than 25 years to Rob Trask, whom she met in law school. She calls Rob, who runs a hedge fund, her best friend. Their wedding ceremony was delayed because a Raiders game went into overtime. Trask offers up Rob's contact info for a possible interview, but he eventually declines. The only thing he'll say is that marrying Trask was the best thing he's ever done. They don't have children. They do have two cats and a horse whose names are not revealed.

"Pets deserve their privacy," Trask says, laughing.

She grew up in Southern California, the youngest of what she calls "considerably older siblings." Her mom was an educator and her dad was an aerospace engineer. Her family was not particularly interested in football outside of the Super Bowl, but Trask fell in love with it by junior high. She calls it an intellectual game of chess with speed and power.

As a kid, she was considered something of a troublemaker, mainly because she was constantly speaking her mind, occasionally in inappropriate places.

"I really don't have a particular story that I would share," she says. "I would simply say if I were my parents, I would've given great thought to sending me away to boarding school."

But she got good grades in school, and wound up at Cal Berkeley. It was just a short drive from her beloved Raiders, a team Trask was drawn to in part, she says, because they believed in second chances and stood up for what was right, regardless of what others thought. She went from Cal to law school at USC in 1982, the same time the Raiders moved to Los Angeles. She interned for the team in 1983, finished up school and went to work for a law firm.

Trask will not tell the rest of the story, but a friend of hers says she was discovered by Davis almost in the same way he used to spot future NFL players on the football field. She was working for a law firm that Davis had retained, and when they came out of a meeting, he said she was the brightest person in the room and that he had to hire her.

She took a job in the legal department in 1987, and, though it was somewhat frowned upon by a few colleagues, she immediately wanted to know everything, from the ticketing department to accounting to the way the team handled media.

Davis, Trask says, encouraged that quest for knowledge. Roughly five years into her job, he sent her to her first league meeting. Soon, she was going toe-to-toe with owners. Her ascent was fast. In 1997, Trask was named CEO.

"He had a tremendous amount of respect for her," says Mike White, who coached the Raiders from 1995 to '96. "She's a very intelligent lady. And because of those reasons, she was given a lot of responsibility."

Trask's path

Trask's longevity is no small feat. During her 14-year span as CEO, the Raiders have had eight different head coaches. Davis was slow to trust and quick to dismiss. He was "the ultimate of micromanagers," former Raiders coach Tom Flores says, and made all the decisions. He ran his team on an island, which shifted from Oakland to Los Angeles to back to Oakland in 1995. Us against the world. That's the Raiders' mentality.

Oh, there were the behind-the-scenes acts of kindness that Davis was responsible for. But Davis preferred that the outside world didn't see that. He wanted his Raiders to be mysterious, feared and contentious. To love to be hated.

And Trask had plenty of that fight in her. She was a relative newbie in the NFL power circle, when, according to an old Sports Illustrated article, she got into a spat with former 49ers president Carmen Policy at a 1997 league meeting, then refused to yield the floor, even when she was ordered to by former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue.

"Nobody survives in that organization without having a mean streak," says former San Francisco Chronicle reporter David White, who covered the team for four seasons. "Al Davis wouldn't have promoted [Trask] if she didn't."

Former Raiders employees and people around the league call Trask fiercely loyal, a tag she both embraces and hesitates to accept. Trask insists her loyalty was not born out of blind faith, and that she disagreed with Davis on numerous occasions. If she wasn't allowed to speak her mind, Trask says, she wouldn't have lasted for a week.

So no, she is not Al Davis. Not exactly. She is active in the community and plays well enough with others in Oakland that the city council president, Larry Riley, says he loves Trask because of her contributions to Oakland's youth.

Chiefs owner Clark Hunt, whose father battled Davis in the early days of the AFL, describes Trask and Davis as "very different personalities."

"I do know for sure that everything that she did up until Mr. Davis passed away she did with his approval. But she's much more of a consensus builder, I'd say, than Al was. And somebody who has worked very hard within the framework of the league to get things done as opposed to certain cases [when] Al worked outside of the framework of the league.

"I would say she has been able to gain the respect of the other 31 teams in what was probably a difficult situation. First of all, she was not the owner representing the Raiders, and very few teams are not represented by their owners. And she was one of the very first females in the room representing a club. She's so capable that everybody looked past that and accepted her as an equal."

A woman in charge

Surely, Trask felt the eyes upon her the first time she walked into one of those meetings. She must have heard the whispered nicknames, such as "Pit Bull" and "Princess of Darkness." Did it motivate her to work harder? To know everything she could about the league? Trask says everybody -- men, women, old and young -- has to put up with something at some point.

Trask just had to put up with a little more than the average exec.

"When a man climbs to the top of the NFL by any means necessary, we call them resourceful," David White says. "When a woman does it, we have another name for her."

Susan T. Spencer has heard that name before. More than two decades ago, Spencer was general manager of the Philadelphia Eagles, the team her dad owned. She had trash thrown at her, was booed and underestimated, she says, because she was a woman in a high-ranking football job..

When news of the Palmer deal hit a few weeks ago, Spencer was annoyed. Hue Jackson's name was mentioned prominently in the stories; Trask's wasn't. To Spencer, it was a sign that the media and the average football fan still don't think it's possible that a woman can handle a job like Trask's or have a hand in any football-related decisions.

But Trask probably wasn't offended by the slight. She's a businesswoman who knows her football, but she's not a football scout. It is believed that the Raiders will lean on Jackson for personnel decisions and eventually hire another front-office person, probably a general manager.

Commissioner Roger Goodell says the Raiders are in good hands.

"She's a very strong person," Goodell says of Trask. "She has strong beliefs, and she is not afraid to express them. She is smart, tough, and she will do what she believes is right."

Friends say she's loyal

But back to a more touchy-feely issue: family. Trask, 50, does reveal something after some small talk and a couple more pauses. It's about kids.

"You know what?" she says. "We all make decisions that are right in our lives."

She adds nothing else to the subject. A close friend, Kathy Schloessman, says Trask has Rob and the Raiders. That's her family.

Trask was so close to Davis, Schloessmann says, that she'd be far more offended by a negative article about him than herself. It seems that most of Trask's good friends, the ones who could penetrate that very tight circle, met her through business dealings.

Schloessman, president of the L.A. Sports and Entertainment Commission, was working to bring the NFL to Los Angeles in the late 1990s when she met Trask. At first, Schloessman was intimidated by her. Now Trask is the kind of friend whom Schloessman says she can call any time, even in the middle of the night, if she has a problem.

Tony Tavares, president of the Dallas Stars, is also in the circle. He says she's as tough as any guy in business negotiations.

"I don't think Al Davis, maybe other than his wife and son, had anybody as loyal to him as Amy," Tavares says. "Look, you know Al and his personality and his penchant for confrontation, if you will. And no matter how tough the sledding got, she was loyal to her owner and represented her owner in the best possible way."

How badly does Trask want to win for Davis? She won't say. But eventually, during the course of a 70-minute phone call, Trask caves in and tells just one story about herself. It seems relatively safe and innocuous. It's about her mom, Sel, who's in her 80s now. Sel was a chemist, one of the smartest people in her class. When she graduated from college, she went looking for a job at all the big pharmaceutical companies. Every one of them turned her down. At her last interview, she asked why she wasn't getting any jobs.

"He looked at her as if she was just so silly to be asking that question," Trask says. "He said to her, 'You're a stunning young woman with a large diamond on your left hand. No one's going to hire you.'"

It was the late 1940s. And Trask's mom had to abandon her dream and do something else. Amy never had to do that. A few years back, Sel told her daughter how much she appreciated what Al Davis did. He gave her a chance.

"I believe that he brought out the best in me," Trask says. "And I believe he helped me be the strongest person I could be."

Elizabeth Merrill is a senior writer for ESPN.com. She can be reached at [email protected]. Follow her on Twitter: @MerrillLiz.

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McFadden officially ruled OUT

this guy jus can't catch a break.. always gettin injured.. but at tha same times knocks out those in his way..

hopefully we see a heavy dose of Taiwan Jones.. give him tha carries and he will produce!
 
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Palmer ready to improve Raiders

This is not meant to slight Jason Campbell. He had Oakland well on its way to a 4-2 record when two Cleveland Browns converged on him and his collarbone snapped. Were it not for Campbell's solid play and leadership through the first six weeks of the season, the Raiders would not be sitting at 4-3 and heading into Week 9 tied with San Diego and Kansas City atop the AFC West standings.

But Carson Palmer makes the Raiders better.

That is why coach Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Al Saunders were so giddy after the Raiders pulled off the improbable trade with Cincinnati that brought Palmer to the Bay Area. Talk about slights. Jackson called it the greatest trade in football. Saunders said that at Palmer's first practice, everyone said, "You know what, this is a real quarterback."
It was insensitive hyperbole coming from two men who had relied on Campbell for so much, but it was understandable. Palmer was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL just a few years ago. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady were untouchable at the top of the list, and then there was Palmer at the head of the next tier.

If he can play anywhere close to where he was from 2005 to 2007, the Raiders are going to be looking at their first playoff appearance since 2002.

It is going to take time. Palmer isn't going to be the Palmer of old on Sunday against Denver. He is a repetition guy. He needs practice, to get the timing down with his new receivers, to master the plays.

But even when Palmer knew only 15 plays and unexpectedly played against Kansas City two weeks ago, he showed glimpses of the past.

Greg Cosell saw it while watching the coaches' tape in his office at NFL Films.

"Looking at all of his throws in the last game, I thought he looked pretty good," said Cosell, the longtime executive producer of ESPN's "NFL Matchup." "Disregard the numbers. Looking at the individual throws, I saw some positive things. He threw big routes in the middle of the field between people. The tough NFL throws, he made those. I thought the timing was off, but I expected that. For the most part, the ball came out pretty well."

When Palmer was in his prime, Cosell used to marvel at Palmer's ability to lead his receivers, to throw to where they were ultimately supposed to be before they even came out of their breaks. He loved how Palmer would drop back, hit his back foot, throw with pass-rushers in his face, and, as Cosell said, "make stick throws into tight windows with phenomenal anticipation."
Indeed, Palmer's numbers were right there with Brady and Manning. From 2005 to 2007, Palmer completed 65.0 percent of his passes for 12,002 yards, with 86 touchdowns and 45 interceptions. Manning completed 65.8 percent of his passes for 12,184 yards, with 90 touchdowns and 33 interceptions, and Brady completed 64.7 percent of his passes for 12,445 yards, with 100 touchdowns and 34 interceptions.

In 2005, Palmer had the highest completion percentage (67.8) in football, better than Manning (67.3), better than Brady (63.0).

"I don't know if we'll see that Carson Palmer ever again," Cosell said. "I would be surprised if we do."

Palmer never reached Manning/Brady stature because, ultimately, quarterbacks are judged on wins. Manning and Brady played on talented teams that were built for the playoffs. Palmer didn't. During that three-year stretch, Palmer had one memorable playoff game in 2005 against the Pittsburgh Steelers, when he tore his right knee on the first pass play of the game. That season the Bengals went 11-5. The next year they went 8-8, then 7-9.

By comparison, Brady's Patriots, which had already won three Super Bowls earlier in the decade, went 38-10 in the regular season, 5-3 in the playoffs, made two AFC Championship Game appearances and one more Super Bowl appearance. Manning's Colts went 39-9 in the regular season, 4-2 in the playoffs and won a Super Bowl.

Palmer guided the Bengals back to the playoffs only once, in 2009. His postseason record is 0-2.

Can this be the year he gets a postseason win? Palmer spent two days last week, during the Raiders' bye, working with Oakland's receivers. The Raiders have a good young group: Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jacoby Ford, Denarius Moore, Louis Murphy and Chaz Schilens. This week, Jackson added an old Palmer favorite, 34-year-old T.J. Houshmandzadeh, to work the slot.

On Wednesday, Palmer said that he had had time during the bye week to digest the Oakland playbook.

"I'm comfortable with the entire playbook," Palmer told Bay Area reporters. "I'm comfortable with the guys. I'm comfortable with the snap count, where to stand in the huddle. Every little bit that I've been around here, every second that I've had, I've just learned more and more."

It won't happen immediately, but over the course of the next month, Jackson and Saunders should be able to open up their offense a little more.

"There's a lot of volume in their playbook," Cosell said. "With Carson, you'll get to more of it. That's what coaches want. They want volume, to be able to run all of their plays. They'll do more of that."

More than they could with Campbell. He was good. Palmer should be better.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7188939/nfl-palmer-ready-make-raiders-better
 
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Gil Brandt sees Wiz II as a late first rounder with his re-draft

23. Philadelphia Eagles
Actual pick -- Danny Watkins
Adjusted pick -- Stefen Wisniewski: Wisniewski's been a big surprise. He has blocked well in both run and pass and is one of the reasons why the Raiders have the second-ranked rushing attack. He's a strong, tough football player and has more experience than Watkins.

http://go.redirectingat.com/?id=138...s-wiz-ii-late-first-rounder-his-re-draft.html
 

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that was 3 months ago, it's a different situation now. I would rather have cut murphy or schilens, but only time will tell if it was the right choice. was hue also disrespectful by trading for curry and putting groves on the bench? how about signing lito sheppard this week after he got cut in training camp? it's not that big of a deal, hagan was 3rd string. would be nice if we end up resigning him somewhere down the line though. schilens and murphy could easily end up on IR.
 
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was listening to 95.7 yesterday, and they posed he question, is Hue being disrespectful for signing houshmanzadeh and cuttin hagan 3 months after al davis told him he wanted hagen on the team not housh...
Hue is doing whatever he feels is best to improve this football team.. would we have cut Hagan and brought TJ in if Campbell wasn't injured? though Hue wanted TJ all along , I don't think so... but we now have Palmer who already has timing down w/ TJ so tha move maked sense.. we trying to win now as someone stated no more Al Davis scholarships.. I jus hope Hue stops trying to give out his own "scholarships" as well and we will find out next year if Boller is still on this team
 

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what do curry, groves and shepherd have to do with the question??? they are talkin about a conversation al davis had with hue jackson where he specifically told him he wanted Hagan on his team. i realize al is no longer here but it did make me think... they also said that Hue's job would be in jeopardy if they fail to make the playoffs with all the moves he's made...
 

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what do curry, groves and shepherd have to do with the question??? they are talkin about a conversation al davis had with hue jackson where he specifically told him he wanted Hagan on his team. i realize al is no longer here but it did make me think... they also said that Hue's job would be in jeopardy if they fail to make the playoffs with all the moves he's made...
al also wanted groves starting and made the decision to cut sheppard. hue undid those moves too. al also most likely wouldn't have given up two firsts for palmer. all that tells you is that hue isn't al and he's going to make decisions that are different than al would. a 3rd string receiver who's main job was playing gunner on special teams gets cut and suddenly it's a big deal. lol
 
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who cares what Al wanted?! let tha man rest in peace already.. this is a football team and hue is doing whatever he feels is best to improve his team.. if Hue would have cut ford,dhb,moore then I would have been pissed!! but he let go of Hagan for a guy who already has experience with our new qb!! +1 Hue Jackson