***The Official No War On Iraq Post***

[drankedout]

people are worried about killing innocent people in Iraq. the fact is, Innocent people die in Iraq everyday.

So since innocent people die everyday we are allowed to go over there and join in. I really dont get your logic here. If were trying to help these people how are we helping them by killing them? To say that there are two possible explanations:
1. your retarded
2. your......oh wait theres only one explanation.

By that logic you could say, "people die in the ghetto everyday so lets just have the police go take them out, there gonna die anyways"

"Be very skeptical of long term effects of brute force" - plato

What do you think will happen after we kill these peoples brothers sisters mothers fathers and kids. Are they gonna rejoice and say the great USA got rid of Saddam for us? NO, they are going to say these fucking assholes killed my family i'll gladly give my life to get rid of these evil americans. BY KILLING PEOPLE WE ARENT ELIMINATING A THREAT, WE ARE MAKING A THREAT. WE ARE MAKING MORE TERRORIST. Some of you people need to wake the fuck up.


"What works isnt brute force but moral authority" - Confucious

 

[Humboldt High]

choose sides. black or white huh.
then I'm a conscious objector in a democratic society run by an elite social class fueled by consumerism and fear. in the global village war will not absolve problems, just escalate fear, annimosity and ruin.
food 4 thought, probably fodder for the gathering of minds forum.

 

[M.O.B. Boss]

I think Muhammad Ali said it best back in the day and I think it applies today.........

"No Viet Cong ever called me nigger."

Yeah Saddam is a bad guy but what'd he do to you? Are we supposed to kill all crazy muthafuckas with gats?

 

[MaddDogg]

So move to another country. If you hate it so much. Hey how about move to Iraq.

A brilliant display of Anti-Americanism. God, who knows where we'd be if everyone in our country who didnt like what we did just left.

If your gonna say you support the war, thats cool but be able to back it up. Here's what I know. Saddam Hussein is being equated with terrorism. That's why we need to get rid of him. But we dont have any proof that he has supported terrorism financially or militarily. We say hes got weapons of mass destruction. But we dont got proof. We do got proof that a Saudi Arabian prince wired money to terrorists. We do got proof N Korea has nukes capable of hitting the West Coast.

 

[rap4rights]

juss to piggy back on the boss above.... wh arent all u , "fuck sadamners and terrorist and the like out there fighting for your country...juss cause folks disagree with policies and acts of the US, than they shuld leave? and have u ever lived somewhere out of the US? if not than I suggest you do b4 u assume that everyhting u hear about big bad "cuba" or other "3rd world places" is true fruit cake...

 

[MaddDogg]

I mean, dont get me wrong, Saddam is a bad guy. He needs to go...but so do all the other bad guys in the world, but they dont go because their resources or strategic position is "not in our interest" ie half of Africa, Cambodia, parts of south America, etc.

And in war, I will support our troops. Troops are just a pawn in the game. I feel for them just as much as everyone else.

 

[rap4rights]

tad- cna i aks u a serious question...with the word pussy's in mind... how would oyu liek soem folks to come inside your nice secure house, fuck your mom, kill your little sister and hold you hostage..than let u free with one arm and uranium stuffed down your lungs....

 

[BAMMER]

So since innocent people die everyday we are allowed to go over there and join in. I really dont get your logic here. If were trying to help these people how are we helping them by killing them? To say that there are two possible explanations:
1. your retarded



"What works isnt brute force but moral authority" - Confucious

Moral Authority works?It has'nt ......

Let's say you have the chance to shoot down the 2 planes headed for the Twin Towers?Do you
A)Shoot the planes down and kill an estimated 600 before it hit.
B)Let them just hit the Towers and risk 15,000 lives.
Same thing with Iraq,people dying every day,so sometimes you have to take lives to save lives.


I agree with the fact you don't want to see innocent people die,and neither do I.The military has strategical plans to bomb certain targets.Now I know there have been mis-communications before and we have bombed the wrong things before,but you act like we just enter every city,and blow up communities.Our main targets are Iraq's Military,Weapons Factories,Communications,and Transportation (ie.runways,highways etc...),and I think THIS TIME,I have to believe alot of Baghdad will be bombed unfortunatley.I'm all for just the asassination of Sadaam and his close associates,but we all know it's against the "rules" to use that method.

 

[bayGIANTS]

Moral Authority works?It has'nt ......

Let's say you have the chance to shoot down the 2 planes headed for the Twin Towers?Do you
A)Shoot the planes down and kill an estimated 600 before it hit.
B)Let them just hit the Towers and risk 15,000 lives.
Same thing with Iraq,people dying every day,so sometimes you have to take lives to save lives.


I agree with the fact you don't want to see innocent people die,and neither do I.The military has strategical plans to bomb certain targets.Now I know there have been mis-communications before and we have bombed the wrong things before,but you act like we just enter every city,and blow up communities.Our main targets are Iraq's Military,Weapons Factories,Communications,and Transportation (ie.runways,highways etc...),and I think THIS TIME,I have to believe alot of Baghdad will be bombed unfortunatley.I'm all for just the asassination of Sadaam and his close associates,but we all know it's against the "rules" to use that method.

Exactly, In a perfect world peace would be contagious but it is not. In this sad world we live in, Peace is a theory not a reality. If you have the choice to take out the problem at the price of a few lives, you do it if the risked lives will mean saving thousands more.

there is one thing people forget. Hussein wants to kill people. the US, we want to stop the killing. We are looking to take out a corrupt government, while hussein is just looking to take out innocent people. No matter how much you tree hugging socialists believe it, embracing our enemy will not stop ANY evil.

 

[Solitary 1]

Peace is a theory not a reality.

t No matter how much you tree hugging socialists believe it, embracing our enemy will not stop ANY evil.

I love it! This is superior logic. I whole-heartedly agree.

 

[Solitary 1]

Re: Yes to war.

Seriously, you anti-war, radical left-wing pseudo-politicians need to move to Canada if you think shit is so bad here. Nobody is forcing you to live here but yourself. So stop your bitching and run for office if you think everything is so terrible.

Go be a traitor like John Walker Lynn and join the Iraqi army, if it bothers you that bad......you pussies.

Tadou me and you have had disagreements in the past over music and such but I have to give credit where credit is due.

These words could've came out my mouth. I'm on a crusade to rid the world of these people you speak of, or at least wake them up.

People like you and I should start a new political party...

 

[MaddDogg]

Re: Yes to war.

Seriously, you anti-war, radical left-wing pseudo-politicians need to move to Canada if you think shit is so bad here. Nobody is forcing you to live here but yourself. So stop your bitching and run for office if you think everything is so terrible.

Go be a traitor like John Walker Lynn and join the Iraqi army, if it bothers you that bad......you pussies.

brilliant. I don't even need to say anything back to this. Like I said earlier, if everyone that didn't like America left, we'd still have slaves, still have Alien and Seclusion acts, and still have a bunch of oppressive bullshit laws. The civil war woulda never happened, the 60's would have never happened and we'd all be claiming holy jihads on each other and it would look just like the middle east.

To Tadou the philosopher: good luck with putting you beliefs into a book and with your rap career. Im sure if you got rhymes like Jadakiss you will make it much further than mp3.com...or since you probly won't you can take the arrogance and ignorence out of your post and take your ego out of the crutch you seem to believe is some sort of pedastal.

 

[MaddDogg]

If you honesly think that 60-90 billion dollars of our tax dollars are worth bombing a small country that doesnt pose a threat to our contry at all because there is a dictator thats cool. But like I said if you ask me we should be going after a country that has weapons that could blow San Francisco off the map.

 

[Timstheman415]

Ok, I don't know how to use the quote thing, but for those of you that said Saddam is not a threat, the man has billions of dollars, how much do you think North Korea would sell him a nuclear/dirty/chemical bomb that could fit in a suitcase? How many terrorists would not jump at the chance to smuggle one across one of our many open borders and look forward to a whole town full of virgins in the afterlife? Saddam has been proven to pay the families of suicide bombers. Can't support your family? Go blow up some heathens. There is a huge majority of people who support the war. Someone said we risk losing the support of NATO? What the hell has NATO ever done but work against us? I bet whoever said that doesn't even know what NATO is, or what they do. I forgot the other crap that was said. And people, please stop regurgitating the latest Rhetoric without even understanding it. If you know nothing about this subject feel free to keep your mouth shut. Solitary, Gizmo, tadou and the rest of the informed, stay strong.

 

[MaddDogg]

NATO = Northern Atlantic Treaty Organization. I said that.

Speaking of rhetoric, is that not what the American public is being fed? The War on Iraq has continously been tied in with "The War On Terror." We don't have any evidence of either. Yes we do have evidence that Saddam paid suicide bombers in Israel. No his millions dont make him a threat to the United States. No N Korea will not sell Iraq a dirty bomb. And if we want to cotinue to talk about rhetoric, what about the fake photos AOL and other internet news companies posted on 9/11 of "Iraqis" celebrating the Islamic Jihad when it was ISRAELIS celebrating a military victory months before that? Dont get the "No On War" thing wrong, Im an American, I support our country, but is this really for the betterment of our country?

And there is a MINORITY that wants the war. It's roughly 60-65% of the United States. Everyone else in the US and in the whole world dont want it. Should we put pressure on Iraq hell yes but we dont need to have all out war.

 

[drankedout]

I'm glad your here maddogg now i dont have to type out long ass posts. Stay up.

 

[Timstheman415]

Why would N Korea not sell a dirty bomb? Regardless, a person with billions <---- yes billions, can buy a dirty bomb. And the Majority in America wants war (or I suppose want it more than the alternative.) Speaking of rhetoric, those numbers for the war protest are inflated. Who cares what some <----- only some, of the other countries want? Give me an example of a time when the countries who have actually voiced an anti war sentiment have put our well being or security or benefit above their own.

MaddDogg, I just want to say it is refreshing to have someone on your side that actually knows how to type, let alone compose a thought into an intelligible sentence. (But you're still wrong)

 

[Puddahmaan]

2. people are worried about killing innocent people in Iraq. the fact is, Innocent people die in Iraq everyday.

You know how many ppl died in Iraq in the past ten years cause of the sanctions the US put to this country...no mf medical support to no one...even woman & children...and you gotta remember that the situation was terrible after the first Gulf War...

 

[Puddahmaan]

Re: Yes to war.

Seriously, you anti-war, radical left-wing pseudo-politicians need to move to Canada if you think shit is so bad here. Nobody is forcing you to live here but yourself. So stop your bitching and run for office if you think everything is so terrible.

Go be a traitor like John Walker Lynn and join the Iraqi army, if it bothers you that bad......you pussies.

Good luck Rambo...I hope you've the possibility to prove your manhood when you're going to war.

 

[PLOT]

"As young liberal people "

haha... theres your problem right there.. secondly i agree, we should not send our troops there.... we should just lob a couple nukes and get it over with. :classic: