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NAMO

NAMO

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HEY GUYS WHAT THE FUCK DID I TELL YOU ABOUT ENGLAND???????


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
thascary1

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iaoish said:
USA has to win next one and England has to loose the next one for the USA to progress.
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If US wins they are in regardless because they will have 5 points.

if England wins too then both US and England ave 5 while slov has 4

If US loses and or ties, and england does the same thats where things get tricky, but US its simple win and in nothing else matters
 
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ThaG said:
It doesn't really work that way. The problem with the US (I don't know if it's the same in Australia, but given the social similarities between the two, it probably is) is precisely the youth system. Not so much the system itself, but the way the game doesn't really exist outside of it.

The biggest talent producers for a long time have been Brazil, Argentina and in Europe, the Netherlands. Those are places where the game is being played on the street, from a very early age, and where the technical level on the streets is very high. It is only after kids have played on the street and developed basic ball control skills and vision for the game that the best of them get picked by youth systems and taught tactics and developed further. And they usually don't stop playing on the street for a good period of time after that. Note, however, that the popular myth that Brazilian players get picked from the beach is exactly that - a myth; they spend a lot of time developing in the youth system, but not all of their development happens there, which is the point

It is the same everywhere else, it is just that those places have the best combination of highly developed street football culture, scouting system and large population base to pick from.

Now in the US, kids usually get shipped to the "soccer academy" at an early age and they begin playing with football shoes on the big pitch, which produces good players, but will never produce truly great players. What the street football gives you is, first, close ball control and dribbling skills, as you typically have to find your way through a dense forest of bodies in tight spaces, and because you don't play with football shoes, you develop a much better touch for the ball (this one may be hard to understand unless you know from experience, but it a lot more important than it seems); and second, flair and creativity, as you are not constrained by tactical schemes and by being told how you have to play. From a large pool of kids who have developed those skills, it is always possible to pick the ones with the best potential, then develop them physically and teach the tactics.

You get none of the above if you have had your entire development as a player happen on a full-size pitch, with the boots on and with a coach around you telling you what to do. What the US approach produces is players who are good enough, who can run, pass and shoot, but who are lacking those special extra qualities that make a player truly great. Such a system will never produce players like Ronaldinho and Messi.

To illustrate my point even better, it is useful to remember that what has happened in England in the last few decades has been a transition from picking talent from the street (and from playing on the street) to developing it in academies. This coincides with their national teams slipping further and further into irrelevance.
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On one hand you are right, but not all your technical ability comes from playing barefoot on concrete/gravel.

I can't speak for others, but know in Australia we (immagrants) played football on the street & in the park at a very early age. Encorperated football with everything like soccertennis, soceerbasketball using our feet instead of our hands. End result is a good technique and first touch even in our lower non leagues but not everyone wanted to go pro or had other abilities. Many around the world are similar some better but I understand exactly what you are saying, this concept is foreign to many young kids as they have evolved in the youth academies.
 
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thascary1 said:
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If US wins they are in regardless because they will have 5 points.

if England wins too then both US and England ave 5 while slov has 4

If US loses and or ties, and england does the same thats where things get tricky, but US its simple win and in nothing else matters
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yup, idk why i thought Slovenia would advance after a loss to england....head to head matchup trumps everything else....stoned mistake :hurt:...

that being said, quite possibly the biggest game in USMNT history on weds, fuck 2002 this is 2010
 
iaoish

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thascary1 said:
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If US wins they are in regardless because they will have 5 points.

if England wins too then both US and England ave 5 while slov has 4

If US loses and or ties, and england does the same thats where things get tricky, but US its simple win and in nothing else matters
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Yes you are totally right.
 
thascary1

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MooreBlock530 said:
yup, idk why i thought Slovenia would advance after a loss to england....head to head matchup trumps everything else....stoned mistake :hurt:...

that being said, quite possibly the biggest game in USMNT history on weds, fuck 2002 this is 2010
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lol its all good,

but even then head to head match up doesnt matter. slov has 4 points currently...so tie or win they are in REGARDLESS OF us outcome

us is in with a win regardless of other game outcome because they would have 5, and only england and or slov can have 5 not both of them.

It only gets tricky if us loses and or ties and england does the same as us. then it goes to goal differential.
 
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wow, england looked like garbage...again. who ever advances out of group c will not go far anyways. none of those teams have looked too impressive.

alexi lalas and that british analyst on espn are HUGE jabronies. i want zidane to head butt them both when they speak.

and why is algeria not called algeria in spanish (pronounced ahl-heh-ria)? but rather its called argelia (pronounced ahr-heh-lia).
 
Lamberto Quintero

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are you tellin me USA wasn't fuckin robbed?
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Fuck no they weren't robbed. Did the refs have something to do with the 2 goals they allowed??? Refereeing is part of the game, sometimes it doesn't go your way.

The thing to do is to handle shit to not let the game come down to calls that the refs make. Obviously the US didn't do that, although their comeback was nice...
 
NAMO

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The US were very unlucky at the end, I personally thought they showed alot of HEART to get back in that game.
 
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