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This is something important therefore it won't get any attention and will be a thread will very little attention given to it. I'm going to check it out though and see if I can make it out to the event.
 
Mar 3, 2003
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Nah...katz on Siccness are smarter than you think. Most of us have dealt with law enforcement one way or another. Right on though about trying to make it.
 
Nov 11, 2007
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3 STRIKES RULE? IF YOU KNOW YOU GOT 2 STRIKES AND YOU STILL ON THE BLOCK OH WELL. HOW ABOUT THIS DON'T COMMIT CRIMES.

OSCAR GRANT?: WHAT ABOUT THE OFFICERS WHO WERE KILLED SAME THING RIGHT? OH SO WE FOCUS ON WHEN A BLACK GET KILLED BY A COP, NOT WHEN A BLACK GETS KILLED BY A BLACK OR WHEN A BLACK KILLS A COP?

THIS IS MY FAVORITE...LOL get this...
"STOP CRIMINALIZING URBAN YOUTH?":
WHAT ABOUT "URBAN YOUTH IF YOU KNOW YOU CAN GOTO JAIL FOR THIS OR THAT DONT BREAK THE LAW...



AGAIN BLACKS!!! STOP TRYING TO GET THE SYSTEM TO CHANGE FOR US WHEN WE HAVEN'T CHANGED FOR OURSELVES....

"GOD'S NOT GOING TO GIVE US ANYMORE THEN HE'S ALREADY GIVEN US, TIL' WE CAN MANAGE WHAT HE'S ALREADY GIVEN US."



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Mar 3, 2003
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408Factor, You most obviously haven't came to one of the weekly townhall meetings which address ALL those things you mentioned. Those questions you've posed are OLD NEWS and have BEEN answered. Those canned questions are so two years ago!

I'm shock to even see there were people who even still held on to such dated views. No one is advocating crime. Crime is crime. However, groups like the Prison Guard Union can't continue to lobby lawmakers and say $50,000 per inmate is reasonable...and your or my cousin is in there for something small. Hell no! You sure don't speak for the majority of Black and Brown....or poor Whites!

Our hearts got out to the fallen officers, however, why was there no words from the governor or attorney general when Oscar Grant was slain ( on video, mend you)?

There should have been words for both the officers who lost there lives AND Oscar Grant! And the issue of Blacks being outraged for black on black crimes was most certainly stressed. So, what's your excuse? Many of us really want a crutch to lean on to justify doing nothing. Hella no!!!! These katz aren't going to pimp my people....are you crazy!!!?

The bottom line is: They know you're worth more in prison at $50,000 a year to the state than working at some job making $14/hour or doing nothing. You're worth more to the California economy in jail then you are working as a decent man.
 
Dec 2, 2006
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oscar grants murder was an accident any way you want to cut it. people need to quit looking for excuses and blaming others.

what seperates oscar grant from the others in oakland that have become homicide victims to senseless violence? they all met the same fate.

this is good thing but this cause imo, is one that needs to be directed to areas crime is rampant. focus on grants for after school programs, more funding to poorer communities for schools. get at the youth.

going to the state capitol isnt gonna accomplish much other than a little publicity.
we are pimping ourselves.
 
Mar 3, 2003
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focus on grants for after school programs, more funding to poorer communities for schools. get at the youth.
^ Our points exactly!

Also, we want to be clear here. Marching will do NOTHING

Which is why this isn't a march. LOL..we're not talking about holding hands and singing "Com by ya". This is an organized block of persons comprised of, community activist, community organizers, Bay Area artist, professionals, religious leaders, environmentalist and common folk. Nonetheless, ORGANIZED. Not a group of people tryin' get together and make noise.

See you all there!
 
Nov 11, 2007
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408Factor, You most obviously haven't came to one of the weekly townhall meetings which address ALL those things you mentioned. Those questions you've posed are OLD NEWS and have BEEN answered. Those canned questions are so two years ago!
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IM NOT GOING TO DEBATE WITH YOU. MY RESPONSE WAS NOT TARGETED AT YOU IT WAS TARGETED AT "US." BUT MY QUESTIONS ARENT "OLD NEWS," MAYBE AT THE TOWNHALL MEETING BUT NOT ON THE STREET, AT LEAST NOT ON MY BLOCK. IM JUST SAYING WE ALL KNEW THE LAWS AND THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS BEFORE WE DECIDED TO BREAK THE LAWS. THE ONLY ONE WE ALL HAVE TO BLAME IS OURSELVES.

GRUFF

PS. ID ALSO LIKE TO GIVE CONGRATS TO YOU FOR POSTING THIS. GOOD TOPIC!

PSS. IS THAT A "NATION OF ISLAM" VIDEO?
 
Mar 3, 2003
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That's fine...I understand you say your comments aren't directed at me, however when you say,
"THIS IS MY FAVORITE...LOL get this...
"STOP CRIMINALIZING URBAN YOUTH?": WHAT ABOUT "URBAN YOUTH IF YOU KNOW YOU CAN GOTO JAIL FOR THIS OR THAT DONT BREAK THE LAW..."
you're making mockery of something REAL.

To be criminalized doesn't mean you've actually committed a crime. Although, if you've committed a crime you've opened yourself up to be criminalized. But our case and point is toward issues like Operation Nutcracker, which aims to label young persons guilty or suspected as URBAN TERRORIST or GANG ASSOCIATES. These are subtleties that are positioned to justify dealing with persons before the facts are even presented. No sir!! This is not going to happen!!




Here's a clip of two sneaky OPD spokesman trying to rationalize to a segment of our coalition it's legitimate use via an extreme case:
 
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That's fine...I understand you say your comments aren't directed at me, however when you say, you're making mockery of something REAL.
YOU NEED A FLYER THAT PROJECTS "more," I"M ONLY RESPONDING TO THE MESSAGE THAT'S BEING PROJECTED FROM THE FLYER. ALL "I'M" SEEING IS A TOWN HALL MEETING PUTTING THE BLAME ON THE SYSTEM, NOT OURSELVES. THE SYSTEM WAS HERE BEFORE ME, YOU, AND THE SICCNESS.NET. OUR "CHOICE," IS OUR POWER AS BLACKS, WHITES, ASIANS, ETC. WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS WITHIN THE POWERS THAT BE.

GRUFF
 
Mar 3, 2003
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408Factor huh?.....Why would you single out a flyer and yet I've provided resources such as Video, hotline, and Website? In fact the site has several videos. Dude, all your questions are answered if you spent time reading or listening to the material provided. What's the problem? Either you support a cause or you don't. It's simple. However, it most certainly is not a debate or discussion. Just read or listen to the videos...if you really care about what's happening...or maybe you're too busy for a cause such as this and have better things to do....that's fine too. Help yourself!

For everyone else, I'll see you there!
 
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408Factor huh?.....Why would you single out a flyer and yet I've provided resources such as Video, hotline, and Website? In fact the site has several videos. Dude, all your questions are answered if you spent time reading or listening to the material provided. What's the problem? Either you support a cause or you don't. It's simple. However, it most certainly is not a debate or discussion. Just read or listen to the videos...if you really care about what's happening...or maybe you're too busy for a cause such as this and have better things to do....that's fine too. Help yourself!

For everyone else, I'll see you there!
WELL...AND AFTER THIS I'M TOO BUSY yet the only of the 2 people who took time to respond and gives congrats YOU.

BUT...

YOUR FIRST LINE WAS...
This Wednesday @ 11am | Sac Capitol Building


For all those who know the system is fucked up and want to change it


.....WOW.... "WE," ARE FUCKED UP AND NEED TO CHANGE OURSELVES. I'M JUST GOING OFF WHAT THE AVERAGE SIMPLETON SEES....WHEN HE COMES ON TO A POST. lol

GRUFF

GOOD LUCK AND THANKS FOR INVITING ME.​
 
Mar 3, 2003
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^ oookkk.....Yeeah

Please send me the site to the organization that you're apart of that's doing just that, helping us to "change ourselves." Someone as adamant as you must certainly be apart of something advocating on behalf of self development. Website...please. Oh...and when's you're next meeting? (I'm so glad you're not like the small group of talkers out there that make claims and can't back it with proof we can see)

Right on.....just post the resources under my post v
 
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^ oookkk.....Yeeah

Please send me the site to the organization that you're apart of that's doing just that, helping us to "change ourselves." Someone as adamant as you must certainly be apart of something advocating on behalf of self development. Website...please. Oh...and when's you're next meeting? (I'm so glad you're not like the small group of talkers out there that make claims and can't back it with proof we can see)

Right on.....just post the resources under my post v
I WASNT GONNA RESPOND NO MORE BUT HEY, EXAMPLES ARE EXAMPLES...AND AGAIN I NEVER ATTACkED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. HAH HAHA HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA... ME AND AP9....I DO THIS EVERYDAY!!! PEEP!

....come with me, you name the date. Ill be in Los Angeles this week. But, name the date in the PM message. If your "truly ready," strap up! (meaning im around the cutt throats) OH ACTION SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORDS...LOL.... WWW.MAGRUFFMUTTLEY.COM LOOK AT MY PICS.... lol.. on my myspace..MORE WILL COME ON MY SITE. I BEEN LOCKED UP WITH THE MAN FROM THE MOVIE "BLOW" FEDERAL PRISON AND ALL THAT....lol lol...hhahhhahhhaaaaa...yeah and i work with "MAYOR CHUCK REED" AND THE GANG TASK FORCE OF SAN JOSE........IM IN THE STREETS. ITS FUNNY HOW THOSE WHO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE GET VIOLENT WHEN OTHERS WHO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW POINT...LOL...OH AND I WASNT CALLIN YOU A SIMPLETON, I WAS SPEAKING ON THE FLYER ADVERTISEMENT THAT I SAW IN THE FIRST PLACE.



GRUFF















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