Superbowl XLII....I mean XLVI: Giants vs Patriots

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JLMACN

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IronLungs420 said:
so Kobe making it to 7 finals, and Brady making it to 5 super bowls means nothing?? Also both are still in position to make another run. Also do yourself a favor and don't talk basketball if you're going to say Shaq had more to do with the title runs then kobe did. Kobe was a kid doing shit no one else his age has ever done. The same kid who was rocking 3 rings before he hit 27 years old which was when jordan got his first. If shaq was so good then how come he got swept with penny by his side when they faced the rockets??? it wasnt until shaq left orlando and teamed up with Kobe that he won a ring. Shaq leaves LA and Kobe in the process rebuilds and takes the Lakers back to 3 straight finals winning two of them with no shaq to be heard of. So stop making up invalid arguments, all im saying is kobe and brady even being mentioned in the same sentence as montana and jordan tells you a lot about how good they're. Are they better?? NO!! but there is definitely a discussion to be had. That is more then you can say for anybody in today's game. Compare any QB in the game today to Montana and i along with everyone who is not a prisoner of the moment will laugh at you. Now compare any guard or any player for that matter in the NBA today to Jordan who's name isn't Kobe and once again I will laugh at you.
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What I am saying that is obviously going over your head is that is DOESN"T MATTER HOW MANY CHAMPIONSHIPS THEY"VE BEEN TOO......it matters how many they've won.

Jim Kelly went to 4 FUCKING STRAIGHT SUPERBOWLS!!!!!!!

He must be on Montana's level too!!! BWWAHAHAHAaaa....

And bro....keep laughing because as time goes on and Eli ends up with the same amount or more rings than Brady your ass is going to still be on that hatred shit. You don't like Eli and that is cool, but pull your head out of your ass. He beat Brady 2 times in the SUPERBOWL. Brady is a really good QB, I am not taking that away from him but he is apart of a system...............do you not get it?

And miss me with that ...."Kobe is the only reason the Lakers won the first 3 rings".......I said it CAN BE ARGUED that Shaq had as much to do with it as Kobe. Ima say this .....is Shaq wasn't on that Team Lakers would NOT have won those titles.

Enough said.

We agree to disagreee.....


My sole point was too these Charger fans talkin all that shit cause they are still fucking bitter about Eli not going to there team. They gave me big shit when I said he was better than Rivers......

Now where they at?

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JLMACN said:
What I am saying that is obviously going over your head is that is DOESN"T MATTER HOW MANY CHAMPIONSHIPS THEY"VE BEEN TOO......it matters how many they've won.

Jim Kelly went to 4 FUCKING STRAIGHT SUPERBOWLS!!!!!!!

He must be on Montana's level too!!! BWWAHAHAHAaaa....
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once again if you're going to troll at least do it right.

Kelly 0-4 in super bowls
Brady 3 wins in 5 apperances
kobe 5 wins in 7 appearances

You see the difference?? if you don't then I don't know what to tell you anymore.
 
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T-Rip said:
^^^ Ill bring up the same argument i have in the past. Imagine if the Colts had the Steelers defense, think many Superbowl rings Peyton would have. And better backup plan my ass. The Patriots always had an all around better team. You do realize winning Superbowls is a team thing right???? They had no clue what Matt Cassell could do, but he managed to get 10 wins never having started in the NFL, i dont think even in college
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lol @ had no clue what Matt cassel could do, The patriots have proven this last decade they draft well, are they psychics and know exactly what they're getting in terms of production when they draft a player?? no, but they definitely see the potential and therefore gave cassel the back up role. Cassel a qb who had never started a game in college or the NFL but they must of seen something in him. Also why would the chiefs take a chance on him if they didn't think he wasn't good enough to be a starter. I don't see anyone offering Collins or Painter a starting role for any team. Shit i don't see anyone offering them a contract to be a back up QB. Also why do you keep bringing up the steelers defense?? No one in the league for the exception of the ravens have had a steelers type Defense this past decade. Don't act like those patriots defenses were loaded and Manning had to deal with a shitty defense. Last i checked Dwight Freeny at the time was considered the best pass rusher in the league along with bob sanders who was a legitimate threat. Mathis was not a slouch either. Also imo manning always had better Wr's and Rb's compared to Brady. Only year Brady had a truly elite WR was when he had moss and we all witnessed the destruction the two caused.
 
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your one of them weirdos that will never admit being wrong about anything. The Patriots had one of the best defenses when they won there Superbowls. I dont feel like looking up the stats but the Colts have always had an average defense at best. So what they have a good pass rusher, there secondary has always been weak imo even with Bob Sanders healthy which was hardly ever
 
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JLMACN said:
My sole point was too these Charger fans talkin all that shit cause they are still fucking bitter about Eli not going to there team. They gave me big shit when I said he was better than Rivers......

Now where they at?
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Who is talking shit??? And I think almost every fan around the league thought it was diva-ish of Eli's daddy to try to dictate what team he would play on. I'm sure as hell over it though. Rivers is a great QB and Eli being on the Chargers all these years wouldn't have made the difference in winning a Super Bowl.

Your sole point was to troll. That's it.
 
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Jordan played with another mvp caliber player in pippen. didn't win a single ring without him. that bulls team damn near went to the finals without jordan too. given another 2-3 years and they probably would have.
 
KrazeeRDM

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T-Rip said:
Patriots always had a way better defense then the Colts especially the years they actually won in the Super Bowls. Yes Peyton is better then Brady, Peyton is the offensive coordinator while Brady is Belicheks bitch. Winning Superbowls is a team thing. Exactly what JL said Colts are playoff team with Peyton and 2-14 without him. Patriots go 10-6 i think it was without Brady. Yall do the math. PEYTON MANNING IS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER TO A TEAM, DO YALL UNDERSTAND THAT??????
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ok well peyton didnt lead his team to the playoffs the last year he played. and i believe his record is 8-9 in the playoffs and he's played longer than brady who has a 16-7 (same as Montana) which is tied for best all time. you see who we faced when we didnt have brady in that one year? well we didnt beat 1 good team and only won against the bottom feeders of the NFL. brady just brought the worst defense in the history of the NFL to the superbowl with a short little white guy named wes welker as our best receiver who remember wasnt shit until he played with brady. our major weapon with talent was injured and Brady still woulda won it if it wasnt for 2 dropped balls in a row that were both amazing passes from Brady. so how about doing that math and tell me who the better QB.

Peyton Mannings total record 141-67 (.678), he has started every game since 1998 and mind you has been playing either indoors or in good weather for atleast half the year ATLEAST. when you play indoors you're stats increase since you never have to worry about inclement weather or none of that.

Tom Bradys total record is 124-35 (.780), he's been starting QB since 2001 and he didnt play an entire season a couple years back because of his injury. Most of games played is outdoors in bad weather teams, usually you dont get good stats when playing in the cold, snow (anyone remember what peyton looks like in this weather?). i honestly cant even think of a time we lost a game in a bad weather game with brady at QB which IMO is extremely impressive.

Brady has every right to be compared to Montana and only haters think other wise. the stats dont lie and he has either equal or better stats in almost every aspect of it. now Montana had the best receiver alltime to throw to who was clutch in every situation, call me crazy but that's pretty good advantage, also got to consider the 9ers defense on those bowl wins were amazing defenses aswell. i can guarantee if we had great defense equal to the 9ers defenses in our last 2 bowl games we would have easily won 1 and shit we probably would've even went there more than just 2 times in 4 years. Peyton manning also had Marvin Harrison who is a halloffamer for most of his career aswell. Brady had a hall of fame caliber reciever once and he broke every noticeable QB record couple of which was this so called better QB peyton.

I get it most the people on here are raider/9er fans so either A: you hate the tuck rule game or B: joe montana was your guy growing up. but if you clearly look at the stats and think of the era brady did all this makes it pretty fucking impressive and easily puts him ahead of peyton and either 1st or 2nd greatest QB of all time (my personal opinion Montana #1)

Some Tom Brady Career Stats (remember Peyton has 4-5 years more years than him)
TDs - 300
Ints - 115
TD Long - 99yds
Yards - 39,979
Rating Avg - 96.4

Peyton Manning
TDs - 399
Ints - 198
TD Long - 86
Yards - 54,828
Rating Avg - 94.9

Joe Montana
Tds - 273
Ints - 139
TD Long - 96
Yards - 40,551
Rating Avg - 92.3


when it comes to stats Tom Brady is better the the G.O.A.T. and Peyton so maybe you should do the math next time.
 
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Your a Patriot fan of course your gonna say Brady is better. Brady hasnt won a Superbowl without that great defense period. Manning changed the game. Brady hasn't, hes a system qb. Did you also forget Peyton is the offensive coordinator? I guess you didnt take that into account. Eli has 1 more ring then Peyton, by most of yall dumbass logic Eli is better now. Btw Marino, Elway > Brady
 
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^^^i'm not saying brady is the best moron, i know it may be hard but maybe you should read what i'm saying before you comment. you're the one that told me to do the math and i did and guess what? brady came out on top, it was you're logic to have me look into this and proved me right dummy. our better defense? did you even watch when the colts won the SB? yeah it was there defense that won it so i guess that's a wash right? i'm bringing facts to the table and you aint bringing shit so please dont even bother replying and leave the football talk to the people who actually know what it is.
 
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KrazeeRDM said:
ok well peyton didnt lead his team to the playoffs the last year he played. and i believe his record is 8-9 in the playoffs and he's played longer than brady who has a 16-7 (same as Montana) which is tied for best all time. you see who we faced when we didnt have brady in that one year? well we didnt beat 1 good team and only won against the bottom feeders of the NFL. brady just brought the worst defense in the history of the NFL to the superbowl with a short little white guy named wes welker as our best receiver who remember wasnt shit until he played with brady. our major weapon with talent was injured and Brady still woulda won it if it wasnt for 2 dropped balls in a row that were both amazing passes from Brady. so how about doing that math and tell me who the better QB.

Peyton Mannings total record 141-67 (.678), he has started every game since 1998 and mind you has been playing either indoors or in good weather for atleast half the year ATLEAST. when you play indoors you're stats increase since you never have to worry about inclement weather or none of that.

Tom Bradys total record is 124-35 (.780), he's been starting QB since 2001 and he didnt play an entire season a couple years back because of his injury. Most of games played is outdoors in bad weather teams, usually you dont get good stats when playing in the cold, snow (anyone remember what peyton looks like in this weather?). i honestly cant even think of a time we lost a game in a bad weather game with brady at QB which IMO is extremely impressive.

Brady has every right to be compared to Montana and only haters think other wise. the stats dont lie and he has either equal or better stats in almost every aspect of it. now Montana had the best receiver alltime to throw to who was clutch in every situation, call me crazy but that's pretty good advantage, also got to consider the 9ers defense on those bowl wins were amazing defenses aswell. i can guarantee if we had great defense equal to the 9ers defenses in our last 2 bowl games we would have easily won 1 and shit we probably would've even went there more than just 2 times in 4 years. Peyton manning also had Marvin Harrison who is a halloffamer for most of his career aswell. Brady had a hall of fame caliber reciever once and he broke every noticeable QB record couple of which was this so called better QB peyton.

I get it most the people on here are raider/9er fans so either A: you hate the tuck rule game or B: joe montana was your guy growing up. but if you clearly look at the stats and think of the era brady did all this makes it pretty fucking impressive and easily puts him ahead of peyton and either 1st or 2nd greatest QB of all time (my personal opinion Montana #1)

Some Tom Brady Career Stats (remember Peyton has 4-5 years more years than him)
TDs - 300
Ints - 115
TD Long - 99yds
Yards - 39,979
Rating Avg - 96.4

Peyton Manning
TDs - 399
Ints - 198
TD Long - 86
Yards - 54,828
Rating Avg - 94.9

Joe Montana
Tds - 273
Ints - 139
TD Long - 96
Yards - 40,551
Rating Avg - 92.3


when it comes to stats Tom Brady is better the the G.O.A.T. and Peyton so maybe you should do the math next time.
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Brady has also played in an era where you can't touch the qb or wr.... Montana = MJ... Brady = Kobe...
 
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KrazeeRDM said:
^^^i'm not saying brady is the best moron, i know it may be hard but maybe you should read what i'm saying before you comment. you're the one that told me to do the math and i did and guess what? brady came out on top, it was you're logic to have me look into this and proved me right dummy. our better defense? did you even watch when the colts won the SB? yeah it was there defense that won it so i guess that's a wash right? i'm bringing facts to the table and you aint bringing shit so please dont even bother replying and leave the football talk to the people who actually know what it is.
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lol, yeah the defense won the SB for the Colts ok buddy quit snorting that Whitney. Colts defense happened to be decent in the playoffs that year cuz they were actually able to stop the run which was really the only period of time there defense was good. Stats dont exactly tell why Peyton much more valuable to the Colts then Brady is to the Patriots but i will let you tell it. Peyton is still gonna have more total yards regardless of who played more seasons and therefore hes better if you really want to go by stats. You aint noone special i could careless what you say. If you want to go by facts, the Patriots had more opportunities on offense since they had one of the best defenses for a bunch of years. Also you do realize Peyton has only been in the league 2 years more, its not Peytons fault Brady wasnt starting his first season. You sure forgot an important stat but of course you would since Manning is better. He has almost 1300 more completions and obviously better percentage meaning he completes passes more often then Brady for your slow ass
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at the end of the day fuck all other QB's! no one performs like a 49ers QB in the big game.

1. Joe Montana, 49ers, Super Bowl XXIV (1990)

Stats: 22-29, 297 yards, 5 TD, 0 interceptions in a 55-10 win over Broncos.
Montana was spectacular in winning his third Super Bowl MVP, throwing for a then-record five TDs and completing 76 percent of his passes against a Broncos team that boasted the top scoring defense in the NFL that season.



2. Steve Young, 49ers, Super Bowl XXIX (1995)

Stats: 24-36, 325 yards, 6 TD, 0 interceptions in 49-26 win over Chargers.
Young set a Super Bowl record with six TD passes against a helpless Chargers defense. Young also led the 49ers with 49 yards rushing.


5. Joe Montana, 49ers, Super Bowl XIX (1985)

Stats: 24-35, 331 yards, 4 TD (1 rush), 0 interceptions in 38-16 win over Dolphins.
Montana beat Dan Marino and the Dolphins through the air with three touchdowns and another score on the ground. His 59 yards rushing were more than San Francisco star running back Roger Craig had.


9. Joe Montana, 49ers, Super Bowl XXIII (1989)

Stats: 23-36, 357 yards, 2 TD, 0 interceptions in 20-16 win over Bengals.
Montana's second TD pass was the game winner, a 10-yard strike to John Taylor with 34 seconds left. San Francisco dominated offensively, outgaining the Bengals 453 yards to 229.



24. Joe Montana, 49ers, Super Bowl XVI (1982)

Stats: 14-22, 157 yards, 2 TD (1 rush), 0 interceptions in 26-21 win over Bengals.

Yes, this is the fourth time that Montana has appeared on this list -- it certainly says a lot that he has one-sixth of the best 24 performances by a Super Bowl quarterback. Montana's steady hand in this game -- his first Super Bowl appearance -- earned him MVP.
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JLMACN

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once again if you're going to troll at least do it right.

Kelly 0-4 in super bowls
Brady 3 wins in 5 apperances
kobe 5 wins in 7 appearances

You see the difference?? if you don't then I don't know what to tell you anymore.
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I brought up Kelly to argue your point that Kobe and Brady are potentially better than Jordan/Montana because they have been to more Championships. I was saying Kelly went to 4 Superbowls, so is he better than Peyton Manning? Drew Brees? Aaron Rodgers? Brett Farve?..........your point about how many championships they've been has no bearing, is my point.

Jordan played with another mvp caliber player in pippen. didn't win a single ring without him. that bulls team damn near went to the finals without jordan too. given another 2-3 years and they probably would have.
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LOL........really?

Who is talking shit??? And I think almost every fan around the league thought it was diva-ish of Eli's daddy to try to dictate what team he would play on. I'm sure as hell over it though. Rivers is a great QB and Eli being on the Chargers all these years wouldn't have made the difference in winning a Super Bowl.

Your sole point was to troll. That's it.
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Rivers is a great QB? So what is Eli?

Cause you were the biggest shit talker when I said he was Elite earlier this year.........what is Eli?


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Jaysav

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JLMACN said:
Rivers is a great QB? So what is Eli?

Cause you were the biggest shit talker when I said he was Elite earlier this year.........what is Eli?


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Really? I was? Can you post a link? I'm not saying I never disagreed with you, but certainly don't remember being the "biggest shit talker".

Before this season, if someone asked me, I would have told them Rivers was a better QB than Eli....plenty of other people, including NFL experts would have told you the same thing. But after the year Eli had, and Rivers had, I wouldn't tell you that anymore. ANd hey, that's nothing to be ahsmamed of. Eli had one HELL of a year.

They're both great QB's. I think you put WAY too much stock into a QB's label, personally. Like, who gives a shit? Would me calling Rivers a "really good" QB make you feel better? Fact is, he's a damn good QB, and better than most around the league. I'll take that any day of the week. I mean, things could be worse, like having Matt Cassell as my team's QB.
 
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