Stanley "Tookie" Williams
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I agree with ESRMUSIC. Not with just the GRK but with ANY serial killer. Robert Pickton for instance. They should all be executed no questions asked, it's fucking bullshit man. But Stanley "Tookie" Williams? Come on now that's just not right IMO. There's something seriously wrong there. What a fucking world, OIA though. Only In America. It's sad.
R.I.P.
R.I.P.
That is NOT what he was charged with, that is NOT what he went to trial for. That IS what he was executed for.
If it wasn't the crips, it'd be more Bloods, or the VL's or GD's woulda made it down to cali, or some other gang. Is killing him fin to stop another crip from doin' what he's gonna do regardless?
It was a snitch testimony trial with no physical evidence, only circumstantial, with a racist prosecutor, and a calculated biased jury.
What about the 150,000 plus children WORLD WIDE whom he touched, who contacted him through phone calls and letters to let him know that his work (yes his childrens books targeted towards 'at-risk-youth') helped influence their lives, and detered their direction toward a life of violence & crime.
anyway, I can go on and on, and their will be time, that is all for now...
Just one thing....
I believe the GRK not only could confirm killing missing people, but also led police to remains of several victims and had promised not to reveal the locations unless the death penalty was taken off the table. So had he simply been sentenced to death, we'd have a LOT of unhappy families out there with no clue at all where their family member's remains were.
(only adding this because nobody else is. I don't want to be in this convo.)
I believe the GRK not only could confirm killing missing people, but also led police to remains of several victims and had promised not to reveal the locations unless the death penalty was taken off the table. So had he simply been sentenced to death, we'd have a LOT of unhappy families out there with no clue at all where their family member's remains were.
(only adding this because nobody else is. I don't want to be in this convo.)
It's all about ideological differences here that nobody's gonna agree on. In my view, if you kill 4 people and are nice to 150,000 then you still killed 4 people, your ass still belongs in jail, or if it's a death penalty case and they think you deserve it, dead. I don't care if he's nice to 1 million people.
Who are we to say who lives or dies? Killing someone is KILLING SOMEONE no matter what your choice of words is. What is a state sponsored execution for justice if it is a not killing? Is there no death involved in a state sponsored execution? How does changing the words change the essence of the act that is occurring?
No matter what anyone says to the contrary, it is hypocrisy to its fullest definition to subject someone to the very thing they are being punished for committing. The act of killing should be reserved as a last resort to spare the life of others. Should you kill someone to prevent them from killing someone else, yes. Should you kill someone after they are no longer any threat to commit a murder, no. What are you accomplishing by killing someone who no longer poses a threat? Anyone who believes in capital punishment should be willing to "pull the trigger" themselves, and if you are willing to kill someone who is strapped down in a chair, what does that make you?
No matter what anyone says to the contrary, it is hypocrisy to its fullest definition to subject someone to the very thing they are being punished for committing. The act of killing should be reserved as a last resort to spare the life of others. Should you kill someone to prevent them from killing someone else, yes. Should you kill someone after they are no longer any threat to commit a murder, no. What are you accomplishing by killing someone who no longer poses a threat? Anyone who believes in capital punishment should be willing to "pull the trigger" themselves, and if you are willing to kill someone who is strapped down in a chair, what does that make you?
So that is justification for execution? Let me get this straight, you own almost 700 some odd rap CDs from the NW alone. I assume you have a pretty extensive CD collection. Wouldn't you agree that AT LEAST a handul of those CDs were put out by artists who are in gangs? Therefore are you not personally financing gangsters? You look down upon Tookie enough to justify his execution by saying "he co-founded the crips" while you see no problem giving your money to a crip rapper??? How does that make any sort of sense?
yall misunderstood xpanthers statement.......
he was conveying that as an orginator of the crips gang, that indirectly makes him partially responsible for every crime committed by the crips.....including 1000's of murders....
implementing this logic, if it wasn't for tookie and the crips, I would have never got jumped at 92nd and rosevelt......
he was conveying that as an orginator of the crips gang, that indirectly makes him partially responsible for every crime committed by the crips.....including 1000's of murders....
implementing this logic, if it wasn't for tookie and the crips, I would have never got jumped at 92nd and rosevelt......
so do you think that when him and his other 12,13, and 14 year old homies started the Baby Avenues (they werent called crips for a few more years) that he knew what the crips would turn out to be?? they called themselves, "Baby Avenues", they were emulating the "Avenue Boys" who were connected with the Black Panthers. they later called them selves "Avenue Cribs", which thru mispronounciation, became "Crips"
the baby avenues started out with the intent to continue where the black panthers left off, and since they were all young, and had no political front men, they eventualy just banded together to protect them selves, and there turf, from other hoods (there was gang activity waaaaaay before bloods and crips).
it evolved into what it is today by the DRUG TRADE, and taking control of MONEY ZONES (ie turfs, drug houses, ect ect), but it DEFINATELY didnt start that way. it started as a misguided youth group trying to be the black panthers, shit they even dressed like the panthers at first.
how many mob bosses have been put to death?? or what about the 30,000 iraqis that have died at the hands of our troops/government/president... if he's able to be put to death for NOT confessing to a crime he didnt do, then why dont we start executing these returning troops, that know and admit to killing innocent people in iraq??
oh yeah... there white, and there killing "sand niggers"
but tookie was a "nigger", that SUPPOSEDLY killed a white man, and a couple asians.
its all fucked up and backwards, and the arguement has been "well hed didnt admit to it, and show PROPER atonement for these crimes, so it was right to kill him"
BUT IF HE DIDNT DO IT THEN WHY WOULD YOU ADMIT TO IT???
and why do we believe EVERYTHING that the D.A. said?? they have been known to pay/reward people to alter detals to make it look as if someones guilty...
i really feel they killed an innocent man, but theres nothing that this post, or any millions of other posts can do about it...
just pray for all the families that were involved in this case, 5 INNOCENT LIVES WERE TOOK
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I repsect your words.....however, the troops over in Iraq who are fighting for us and the rest of the world are risking their lives and even killing for us. They are not all white and there is no draft, everyone there sighned up on their own will. The soldiers are in the arm pit of the world risking their life for ours...thats real fuckin nuts and bravery....if your aginst the war or for it...you have to respect that...this is not a white mans war....it is a war against terrorism and killing innocent peoples lives.....a comparsion between what tookie did and what the soldiers are doing is utterly inconceivable.....
I repsect your words.....however, the troops over in Iraq who are fighting for us and the rest of the world are risking their lives and even killing for us. They are not all white and there is no draft, everyone there sighned up on their own will. The soldiers are in the arm pit of the world risking their life for ours...thats real fuckin nuts and bravery....if your aginst the war or for it...you have to respect that...this is not a white mans war....it is a war against terrorism and killing innocent peoples lives.....a comparsion between what tookie did and what the soldiers are doing is utterly inconceivable.....
not really, because THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11... its not over terrorism...
and it IS a white mas war... unless the Bush's are in fact NOT WHITE....
why was iraq bombed in the first place??? was it cause he had wmd's? well that theory was debunked real quick when they went over they and found NOTHING...
and i know comparing what tookie was put to death for, to killing 30,000 people is utterly inconceivable, because TOOKIE WAS INNOCENT, and acused of the crimes... but we KNOW FOR A FACT that Bush, and the US Army is killing innocent people over there...
and it IS a white mas war... unless the Bush's are in fact NOT WHITE....
why was iraq bombed in the first place??? was it cause he had wmd's? well that theory was debunked real quick when they went over they and found NOTHING...
and i know comparing what tookie was put to death for, to killing 30,000 people is utterly inconceivable, because TOOKIE WAS INNOCENT, and acused of the crimes... but we KNOW FOR A FACT that Bush, and the US Army is killing innocent people over there...