So...who's next for Floyd Mayweather?
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Floyd's next fight should either be against Sugar Shane (Who shoulda got the decision over Cotto) or Miguel Cotto. Hands down Sugar Shane would be the bigger pay day out of all of his options. Outside of Sugar Shane, none of these dudes have fought any fighters worth mentioning, but you guys seem to believe they've done enough to earn a shot against the top fighter in this sport. Sounds more like you really just want to see some one dethrone the champ due to your dislike for him, but they need to move up the ladder the same way Floyd and other fighters did. Hatton didn't deserve that shot either, but I'm glad he got it and got knocked out so anyone out there really thinkin he had a shot to beat Mayweather now knows better...
Enserio... You right. Not Margarito, Williams, Cintron, Pacquiao (who is way too small), Cotto. If anything, give the son of another boxing family Corey Spinks a shot. Now that would be a great fight to watch. People are tired of Floyd, but that shouldn't be enough to put one of these journey men in the ring with the champ. If anything, let em do a box off, and whoever is standing gets a shot at Floyd becasue nothin on any of there resumes says they deserve a shot. All Floyd has done was beat every one put in front of him... Paul Williams in my humble opinion is the honest heir to the throne and he's a lil too tall for Mayweather.
Prove himself?? 2007 Cotto is probably the fighter of the year (if not him, Pavlik forsure). He beat Shane Mosley (yes, it was very close but he did show us versatility by switching to a boxer in the later rounds when he was fatigued/hurt), KO'd Zab Judah and Oktay Urkal. He's 31-0, 25 KO's and beat 6 undefeated fighters. Other than Shane Mosley, he has the best resume out of any welterweight by far.
Compare his resume to the other top Welters:
Paul Williams biggest victory was against Margarito, that's pretty much it for known names on his resume.
Kermit Cintrons biggest win was Matthysse but he lost to Margarito.
Margarito's biggest win was Cintron but lost to Paul Williams.
Then there is Shane Mosley that just lost to Cotto. He looked good, but a loss is a loss and we all know Mosley isn't the same fighter he used to be.
The only logical choice here is Cotto.
I dunno man. I thought that for a minute but after Cintrons last performance I don't think he has much of a chance at all. He looked like shit. Maybe it was a fluke but I just don't think he's mentally tough enough to take on Floyd.
Cotto has a pretty big following, especially within the Puerto rican community. He has become a big PPV attraction.
I definitely don't want to see Floyd fight Corey Spinks. That might turn out to be one hell of a boring fight.
Compare his resume to the other top Welters:
Paul Williams biggest victory was against Margarito, that's pretty much it for known names on his resume.
Kermit Cintrons biggest win was Matthysse but he lost to Margarito.
Margarito's biggest win was Cintron but lost to Paul Williams.
Then there is Shane Mosley that just lost to Cotto. He looked good, but a loss is a loss and we all know Mosley isn't the same fighter he used to be.
The only logical choice here is Cotto.
I dunno man. I thought that for a minute but after Cintrons last performance I don't think he has much of a chance at all. He looked like shit. Maybe it was a fluke but I just don't think he's mentally tough enough to take on Floyd.
Cotto has a pretty big following, especially within the Puerto rican community. He has become a big PPV attraction.
I definitely don't want to see Floyd fight Corey Spinks. That might turn out to be one hell of a boring fight.
Zab Judah is still at welter weight. He him self has a better resume than Cotto as well, and Urkal and Judah (who was coming off two losses and a lay-off) aren't that good of wins imo. I don't see why he OR Pavlik would deserve fighter of the year over Floyd (Who beat DLH and KOed an undefeated Hatton). Cotto didn't KO a top ten p4p ranked and undefeated fighter and Pavlik KOed one, while Floyd KOed one, and beat a legend/top 15 p4p ranked fighter in the highest grossing fight in the history of boxing.
I do agree however, that Cotto has a good resume, it just isn't a demanding one, nor is his drawing power big enough I'd assume to sway Floyd from a planned vacation or retirement.
Edit: 2-0-Sixx. It's obvious that you're a member of boxingscene.com.
I do agree however, that Cotto has a good resume, it just isn't a demanding one, nor is his drawing power big enough I'd assume to sway Floyd from a planned vacation or retirement.
Edit: 2-0-Sixx. It's obvious that you're a member of boxingscene.com.
And Ricky Hatton is a Jr. Welter!
Personally I think Pavlik should win fighter of the year. He exploded on the scene, KO'd everyone. Plus, he fought 3 times to Mayweathers 2.
Honestly, I think if Cotto would have dominated Mosley, or KO'd him, then Cotto by far, but since it was close I got to give it to Pavlik.
My argument is simple:
Pavlik KO'd three opponents, two ranked at the very top of HIS division. Floyd on the other hand beat two guys that are not in his division (granted ODH was bigger, but let's face it - he's not the same ODH 5 years ago).
Well to be fair there were no top P4P fighters in Pavliks division but what he did do was climb to the very top in less than one year by fighting Zertuche (who had never been KO'd before), which was an elimination fight which set up the fight with the #1 ranked contender, Miranda, who Pavlik annihilated and then took out the Champion, Taylor. All by KO. Very impressive! Again, he did this all within a year and did exactly what he needed to do.
Mayweathers fights were more about big paydays while Pavlik was trying to become the best fighter in his weight class (which he accomplished) by beating the best.
I think a Cotto/Mayweather would draw a million PPV buys (which is more than anyone else out there right now). Mayweather would get a nice payday, especially if it's a 60/40 split (or even 70/30!).
Regardless, all three fighters had GREAT years. It's not like I would be pissed off it Floyd wins it because I can see the logic behind it. I just personally think Pavlik deserves it a lil more.
Yep, Bruce Leroy. I spend most of my time there defending Hopkins/Mayweather against crazy Brits. I swear those Europeans are delusional!! Calzaghe is the fighter of the year, Calzaghe can beat Hopkins, Calzaghe is the #1 P4P king, Hatton is going to beat the shit out of Mayweather, Mayweather is a bum, etc. etc. etc.
Personally I think Pavlik should win fighter of the year. He exploded on the scene, KO'd everyone. Plus, he fought 3 times to Mayweathers 2.
Honestly, I think if Cotto would have dominated Mosley, or KO'd him, then Cotto by far, but since it was close I got to give it to Pavlik.
My argument is simple:
Pavlik KO'd three opponents, two ranked at the very top of HIS division. Floyd on the other hand beat two guys that are not in his division (granted ODH was bigger, but let's face it - he's not the same ODH 5 years ago).
Well to be fair there were no top P4P fighters in Pavliks division but what he did do was climb to the very top in less than one year by fighting Zertuche (who had never been KO'd before), which was an elimination fight which set up the fight with the #1 ranked contender, Miranda, who Pavlik annihilated and then took out the Champion, Taylor. All by KO. Very impressive! Again, he did this all within a year and did exactly what he needed to do.
Mayweathers fights were more about big paydays while Pavlik was trying to become the best fighter in his weight class (which he accomplished) by beating the best.
I think a Cotto/Mayweather would draw a million PPV buys (which is more than anyone else out there right now). Mayweather would get a nice payday, especially if it's a 60/40 split (or even 70/30!).
Regardless, all three fighters had GREAT years. It's not like I would be pissed off it Floyd wins it because I can see the logic behind it. I just personally think Pavlik deserves it a lil more.
Edit: 2-0-Sixx. It's obvious that you're a member of boxingscene.com.
He comes in at fight time weighing more than Floyd and only hit the scales two pounds lighter due to "wanting to keep his speed", according to him and Billy Gram. Check this. When Hatton faced Castillo at jr. Welter Weight he entered the ring at 151. When Mayweather fought DLH at jr. middle weight, he stepped in at 148! These are both of their last fights and Mayweather came in smaller because he's naturally small. Mayweather started his career at 130 and had most of his fights at 130/135. Prior he'd only fought 3 times at Welter weight out of 37 fights. Hatton fought 42 fights at 140. Judah is also, along with Floyd, the smallest "Welter Weight" in the division. They are both the same size, if not naturally smaller than Cotto AND Hatton. Pigeon holding Mayweather as truly belonging to a particular weight class is a ruse.
Quality over quantity. Mayweather beat two fighters ranked in Ring Magazine's top pound for pound list, both were champs, one was a legend (in a higher weight class), one was undefeated, and he KOed him. Miranda is a club fighter, Zertuche is a nobody, but Taylor was a good win. He was a ranked, undisputed champ. With that said, Floyd obviously has the edge both on paper and performance/adversity.
If Cotto would have KOed Mosley that would be his only real good win. Zab wasn't that good imo, and I reiterate (coming off 2 losses/year lay-off). Besides, Mosley hasn't been a champ since he lost to Winky and hasn't been a champ at Welter Weight since he lost to Forrest. Not to mention he's even older than Oscar at 36.
Fighter of the year has never been based on who you beat in your division and Mayweather we all know to be a p4p fighter. This is apples and oranges. He compares more to Sugar Ray Leonard than Marvin Hagler in that Hagler dominated his division while people moved up or down to fight him, Leonard did the opposite and moved up and down beating Champions on his own initiative. Floyd walks around at the weight he fights at.
Miranda is again, just an exciting club fighter who had just lost to Arthur Abraham and Zertuche is a bum, definitely not a top middle weight. Jermain Taylor is fighter of the year worthy in its self, but mentioning those two guys is disingenuous. A win over Miranda isn't anything to work with on its own (unlike over Taylor), so why should he be added for filler?
Zertuche not being KOed says little on its on right, like saying Jermain never got KOed in the absence of who he is. A quality win is based on the opposition, not the excitement factor. Hopkins won it in 2001 with a UD over Keith Holmes and a KO over Trinidad (who was moving up in weight but was 40-0). It is the names that you beat and under what circumstances.
Pavlik cannot be compared to Mayweather if you're questioning motives. The dedication isn't comparable. Every hungry fighter fights for lineal titles when they are hungry. Mayweather did this for years at 130 and 135. Of course he wants the pay day, but is still fighting for titles in the process. Going against the 154 and then the 140 champs (who he was supposed to fight in 2005). He beat them both. Hatton was ranked #8 by Ring Magazine at the time and DLH was ranked 14 or 15 I believe. What did Floyd accomplish in one year?
He owned 3 weight classes, one of which he should have properly owned in 2005. He owned the recognized champ at 140 and WBC belt holder at 154. Spinks was the other major title holder there but got ran out of WW, which is owned by Mayweather, so Spinks is automatically owned along with him and Oscar's division. As noted, Mayweather already owned Welter Weight by beating the lineal champs in Judah and his destroyer. He already owned 130 and 135 so in 2007 he literally solidified his legacy and virtual ownage of every weight class from super feather weight to jr. Middle weight. Pavlik beat the lineal champ in his weight class, something that Mayweather has already done 3 times directly.
I feel you though. Nothing wrong with varied opinions, even though I disagree. But yea, they shit on both Hopkins and Mayweather a lot on there but there are just as many fans. I knew because you post a lot of the material that comes from that site.
IMO, he beat Taylor, now that's just my opinion. I know it won't happen, but neither Williams or Margarito or Cintron should be mentioned in the same sentence with Mayweather. Paul Williams is the heir based on his skill set, Height, reach, speed alone. he still needs to learn how to use height and stop walkin in to punches when he hunches over. Margarito was able to go to his body late in the fight becasue he wasn't thrwin a stiff jab. Fuck it, put Cotto in there, and I guarantee he gets taken apart like a set of legos.
it would be great for a fight to happen between Mayweather and Cotto but yall got to be realistic, cotto is not with golden boy so i don't see his promoter(Arum) putting up big bucks to make this fight happen in mayweathers eyes. a Shane Mosley fight would bring the best offer to him at the moment, but for some reason im getting a feeling mayweathers gona take a year break and fight manny Pacquiao, since pacman said hes going to move up to 140 and maybe 147 after his fight with marquez, and that fight would be huge, mayweather would probably go back down to 140 to make that happen. and pacman already said recently that he would move up to 147 to fight de la hoya for a big payday.
