but if you think c-bo or brotha lynch are even doing 20k nowadays, you have to pass some of that good your smoking this way. thats some good shit! as far as verses, dvd, and all the other shit, man rap music isnt what it once was. we could argue back and forth all day, but i can guarentee that in the bay and sac region, yeah, theres a hand full of artists probably making a little bread no doubt, but overall theres no one pushing even 50k. e-40, yeah. outside this region i dont know what other indie artists are doing. your right about one thing though, it should be a hobby!