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Here is somemore fuel to the already hot Fire.

Tony, you are almost alone here.

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Note to the Raiders.....DO NOT DRAFT JAMARCUS RUSSELL!!!
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While most NFL Draft Prognosticators are predicting Oakland will draft JaMarcus Russell, I'm telling you that this would be an absolutely disastrous pick for the franchise and would serve as the final nail (both real and proverbial) in the Raiders coffin. While I'm not ready to say who the Raiders should draft with the first pick (actually I have a pretty good idea who I think they should pick but more on that in the next blog I post), here are the top 5 reasons the Raiders should stay away from JaMarcus Russell:

5) Nobody was talking about Russell before the Sugar Bowl. All season long we heard about Brady Quinn, Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams, or Joe Thomas contending for the top pick in the draft. John Clayton deemed this to be be "Brady Quinn's draft" before the NFL combine. I am always skeptical of players at any position that rise up the draft board based on a single game or what they do at the combine. This is especially true at the Quarterback position where using a top pick on a QB is often a make or break move for a franchise. Look how long the Chargers suffered after taking Ryan Leaf or how the Redskins suffered after taking Heath Shuler. You need to be wary of taking a QB with the top pick in the draft. Speaking of the combine, I know I would be concerned over the fact that Russell came in looking "a little flabby."



4) Not the right piece for a screwed up puzzle. If you want to see a recipe for disaster, this is it. You take a 31 year old first time Head Coach, two malcontent receivers in Moss and Porter, a wretched Offensive line and you throw in an unproven rookie QB who has had his work ethic questioned and his ability to read defenses scrutinized and you have what could turn out to be the greatest football disaster ever witnessed. Now you factor in this sideshow playing in front of 70,000 mad, rabid, crazed and drunken Raiders fans and the picture gets even uglier. Then you factor in the first time the hated Broncos come to town and the Russell has to face a secondary that includes Pro Bowlers Champ Bailey, Dre Bly and John Lynch and it would really be like watching a train wreck. It would be the most gruesome spectacle ever seen on television. If the Raiders had a more seasoned Head Coach (a Belichick, a Shanahan, a Dungy, a Cowher) then this could possibly work. The fact that the Raiders have a 31 year old Head Coach with NO HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE at any level, only one year of NFL coaching experience (Kiffin was the Jaguars "Defensive Quality Control Coach" in 2000...whatever the heck that is) does factor into this situation. Lets face it, nine years ago Kiffin was a Graduate Assistant at Fresno State and you're telling me that in less than ten years he can go from Graduate Assistant at a middling program to NFL Head coach? that's like going from legislative intern to U.S. Senator in three election cycles. It just doesn't happen!



3) He can't run and he's not mobile. Now I'm not saying that to be an NFL Quarterback you have to run. What I am saying is that when you play behind the worst Offensive Line in football, you have to be able to move in and out of the pocket. To be able to use the arm that can chuck a football 50 yards down the field, you need pass protection that will hold up while your receiver gets 50 yards down the filed. The Raiders O-Line is the worst in football. Statistically speaking they were the worst rated offense in the NFL in 2006. They gave up a league leading 72 sacks. The Lions gave up the second most at 63 sacks. That's nine sacks worse over 16 games. They were the only team in the NFL to lose over 400 yards from sacks. Do you really think it matters whether Russell can throw the ball 15 yards or 50 yards? Do you really think a rookie QB with a questionable work ethic and can't read defenses who is slow of foot can win in a situation like this? No way. Just check out the following image. This will happen to Russell about 80 times next year.




2) He will get eaten alive by the better pass defenses in the AFC East. Can you imagine what will be going through Russel's mind the first time he faces the Shawne Merriman and the Chargers pass rush? Can you fathom what Russell will be thinking the first time the Raiders play the Broncos and he is facing a secondary of Bailey, Bly and Lynch, three Pro-Bowlers? Can you contemplate wily old veterans (who stil have gas left in the tank) like Ty Law and Pat Surtain licking their chops at the prospect of facing a rookie QB when the Chiefs invade Oakland? Let's face it, a team can get better faster by building a running game, especially in the AFC West. There is absolutely no way the Raiders could build up their passing offense to be even remotely competitive in the AFC West next year.



1) He is just not an accurate passer. I spent this past weekend at the Nike Coach of the Year Football clinic in Orlando, Florida. One of the featured speakers on Saturday night was Les Miles, Head Coach at LSU. His session was on the LSU Red Zone offense. Now if you've never been to a football coaching clinic let me tell you what goes on in these sessions. Coaches will take a topic and bring in cut ups of game film from the past season and they will go through formations and plays that their teams ran. This is normally for the benefit of the High School coaches (or youth coaches like myself...Go Deland Knights!) who may be able to steal and idea or two from the film. Miles went through an hour of LSU Red Zone offensive plays from the 2006 season. Mind you, coaches usually only show the best plays for that particular scenario/situation so all we saw were the plays that Les Miles thought were the best executed plays in the redzone by the LSU offense. After watching about 30 red zone offensive plays I was in shock, as was much of the audience. How is it possible that a room full of youth and high school coaches can see that Russell is a terrible red zone QB but the Raiders can't see it. I can't tell you how many plays Russell was late getting off his throw, how many times he threw to a double or triple teamed receiver while another receiver was wide open or how many times he threw behind the receiver. Other than the post/corner route where he threw a pretty ball, Russel's passes were ugly. Panther, Mesh, T-Slop, Power Pass (all LSU offensive terminologies), it didn't matter. The passes were ugly. Let's face it folks, if you can't make it n the Red Zone in the NFL, you are done for. I counted at least 8-10 touchdowns that LSU scored that would have been picked off passes in the NFL. Now you might say that Russell only threw eight interceptions last year and that he's a fairly accurate passer. To that I would say, check his stats. Sure he racked up big numbers against inferior teams but let's see how he stacked up against better teams. I will give a team and follow that up with his touchdown and interception numbers for that game:

Louisiana-Lafayette - 3/0
Arizona - 2/1
Tulane - 2/0
Mississippi State - 3/0
Kentucky - 2/0
Fresno State - 2/0
Alabama - 3/0
Ole Miss - 3/0
Arkansas - 2/0
TOTAL - 19 Touchdowns, 1 Interception
Now you look at these numbers and say "Frank, you're crazy! Nineteen touchdowns and only 1 interception! Draft him, sign him, break the bank and hand over the franchise to him!" Of course, as my buddy Lee Corso says "not so fast my friend." let's see how Russell fared against the better defenses he faced, the defenses that are probably a lot closer to what he'll see in the NFL:

Florida - 1/3
Tennessee - 3/3
Notre Dame - 2/1
Auburn - 0/0
TOTAL - 6 Touchdowns, 7 Interceptions
Now I don't even think Notre Dame's defense was that good. Florida and Tennessee were probably the best defenses he faced all year and he threw six picks in those two games. Sure his overall stats for the season were great but there are no Louisiana - Lafayette's in the NFL. No Kentucky's, Tulane's, Fresno's or Arizona's in the NFL. The Florida defense was probably the absolute closest thing to an NFL defense and even they aren't as good defensively as the Chargers, Chiefs or Broncos.

Now you might say that the defenses will be better in the NFL but the offensive support that Russell gets will also be better in the NFL. I would say refer to points three and four above.

So if they don't take Russell, who should they take? I'm not going to get into that now but I will give you a little hint....
 

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This article was before LSU's pro workout mayne...
This guy says he's not an accurate passer? He completed damn near 70% of his passes.
He says he's not mobile? Film doesn't lie. Just check the fim.... good Qb's don't have to be mobile anyway. But that's not to say Russell isn't mobile.
He got on him for being flabby at the combine? He lost 9 pounds wich everyone at the pro day at LSU noticed. This dude is just a critic. Some people don't want to see the Raiders get better period.

Check this out, these quotes are cut and pasted:
""His passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to," McShay said. "His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks and when he's rolling out and throwing on the run. We all knew coming in that his arm strength is extraordinary. The ball just explodes out of his hands. His 73rd, 74th and 75th throws, he was flicking the ball 60 yards with his wrist and putting it right on the numbers."

"Russell's arm didn't disappoint Wednesday. Going through the workout with LSU wide receivers Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis and running back Justin Vincent, Russell showcased power and accuracy throughout most of the session. The script, which was put together by Tom Martinez – Tom Brady's personal quarterbacking guru – included the entire route tree, along with some scrambling and a few difficult roll-outs that saw Russell throw 65-yard passes while going across his body.

Out of 50-plus passes, only five appeared to be bad throws. And every pass he threw was a tight spiral with a high release point, whether Russell was throwing short, intermediate or deep routes. As for criticism, his footwork got sloppy at times – something that's not uncommon for quarterback prospects who are being fine-tuned for the next level.

"Toward the end on my drops I was a little inconsistent," he said. "I could be more precise and more balanced. Sometimes you can get a little anxious."

Still, it was an impressive display of strength, often with almost too much zip on intermediate routes – the Brett Favre-esque finger-breaking passes that are completed with an echoing smack.

"I didn't even need to see them to know he's got the arm – I could hear it," Oakland Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said.

Kiffin was one of nearly 100 NFL representatives, which included several other head coaches in the crowd – the Pittsburgh Steelers' Mike Tomlin, Brad Childress of the Minnesota Vikings and the New Orleans Saints' Sean Payton. Among the general manager's in attendance were Savage, the Green Bay Packers' Ted Thompson, A.J. Smith of the San Diego Chargers and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Bruce Allen.

All seemed impressed, although there were a smattering of scouts who were upset that Russell only threw and ran the 40-yard dash, but didn't go through the agility drills and bench press. Russell notched a 4.83 second 40-yard dash, which is considered a good time for a player who measured in at just over 6-foot-5 and 256 pounds. His weight was down nine pounds from the combine.

"His mobility is good enough," Thompson said. "He's got enough mobility. His size doesn't hinder him athletically at all. You know when he needs to run, he's going to be able to run. The game isn't too fast for him, either. In fact, I think the game actually slows down for him. You look at some of those games when the pressure was on him going into the fourth quarter and he was the guy they needed to perform, he was able to do that. I think the game slowed down for him in those situations."

"And as far as the arm goes, he definitely got a little check mark in that box. It's remarkable."

Smith went a step further, saying Russell's arm was perhaps the best of any prospect he'd ever scouted in person.

"As far as velocity and arm strength, no question," Smith said. "I would have to search to find someone to put into his category. … I just watched him and just thought about how I hope I don't have to face him the next 12 years in our division."
 

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Smith went a step further, saying Russell's arm was perhaps the best of any prospect he'd ever scouted in person.

"As far as velocity and arm strength, no question," Smith said. "I would have to search to find someone to put into his category. … I just watched him and just thought about how I hope I don't have to face him the next 12 years in our division."
Don't worry AJ... thascary 1 is also hoping Raiders pass on him so the Broncos won't have to face him the next 12 years too....
 
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Tony said:
This article was before LSU's pro workout mayne...
This guy says he's not an accurate passer? He completed damn near 70% of his passes. He says he's not mobile? Film doesn't lie. Just check the fim.... good Qb's don't have to be mobile anyway. But that's not to say Russell isn't mobile.
He got on him for being flabby at the combine? He lost 9 pounds wich everyone at the pro day at LSU noticed. This dude is just a critic. Some people don't want to see the Raiders get better period.

Check this out, these quotes are cut and pasted:
""His passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to," McShay said. "His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks and when he's rolling out and throwing on the run. We all knew coming in that his arm strength is extraordinary. The ball just explodes out of his hands. His 73rd, 74th and 75th throws, he was flicking the ball 60 yards with his wrist and putting it right on the numbers."

"Russell's arm didn't disappoint Wednesday. Going through the workout with LSU wide receivers Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis and running back Justin Vincent, Russell showcased power and accuracy throughout most of the session. The script, which was put together by Tom Martinez – Tom Brady's personal quarterbacking guru – included the entire route tree, along with some scrambling and a few difficult roll-outs that saw Russell throw 65-yard passes while going across his body.

Out of 50-plus passes, only five appeared to be bad throws. And every pass he threw was a tight spiral with a high release point, whether Russell was throwing short, intermediate or deep routes. As for criticism, his footwork got sloppy at times – something that's not uncommon for quarterback prospects who are being fine-tuned for the next level.

"Toward the end on my drops I was a little inconsistent," he said. "I could be more precise and more balanced. Sometimes you can get a little anxious."

Still, it was an impressive display of strength, often with almost too much zip on intermediate routes – the Brett Favre-esque finger-breaking passes that are completed with an echoing smack.

"I didn't even need to see them to know he's got the arm – I could hear it," Oakland Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said.

Kiffin was one of nearly 100 NFL representatives, which included several other head coaches in the crowd – the Pittsburgh Steelers' Mike Tomlin, Brad Childress of the Minnesota Vikings and the New Orleans Saints' Sean Payton. Among the general manager's in attendance were Savage, the Green Bay Packers' Ted Thompson, A.J. Smith of the San Diego Chargers and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Bruce Allen.

All seemed impressed, although there were a smattering of scouts who were upset that Russell only threw and ran the 40-yard dash, but didn't go through the agility drills and bench press. Russell notched a 4.83 second 40-yard dash, which is considered a good time for a player who measured in at just over 6-foot-5 and 256 pounds. His weight was down nine pounds from the combine.

"His mobility is good enough," Thompson said. "He's got enough mobility. His size doesn't hinder him athletically at all. You know when he needs to run, he's going to be able to run. The game isn't too fast for him, either. In fact, I think the game actually slows down for him. You look at some of those games when the pressure was on him going into the fourth quarter and he was the guy they needed to perform, he was able to do that. I think the game slowed down for him in those situations."

"And as far as the arm goes, he definitely got a little check mark in that box. It's remarkable."

Smith went a step further, saying Russell's arm was perhaps the best of any prospect he'd ever scouted in person.

"As far as velocity and arm strength, no question," Smith said. "I would have to search to find someone to put into his category. … I just watched him and just thought about how I hope I don't have to face him the next 12 years in our division."

1) He is just not an accurate passer. I spent this past weekend at the Nike Coach of the Year Football clinic in Orlando, Florida. One of the featured speakers on Saturday night was Les Miles, Head Coach at LSU. His session was on the LSU Red Zone offense. Now if you've never been to a football coaching clinic let me tell you what goes on in these sessions. Coaches will take a topic and bring in cut ups of game film from the past season and they will go through formations and plays that their teams ran. This is normally for the benefit of the High School coaches (or youth coaches like myself...Go Deland Knights!) who may be able to steal and idea or two from the film. Miles went through an hour of LSU Red Zone offensive plays from the 2006 season. Mind you, coaches usually only show the best plays for that particular scenario/situation so all we saw were the plays that Les Miles thought were the best executed plays in the redzone by the LSU offense. After watching about 30 red zone offensive plays I was in shock, as was much of the audience. How is it possible that a room full of youth and high school coaches can see that Russell is a terrible red zone QB but the Raiders can't see it. I can't tell you how many plays Russell was late getting off his throw, how many times he threw to a double or triple teamed receiver while another receiver was wide open or how many times he threw behind the receiver
 

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thascary 1.... come on dog this is coming from a youth football coach man. Pay more attention to what the folks from the professional level have to say... not some youth football coach.
 

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Cut and Pasted: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...ve/2007/04/01/SPGS3OUR0H11.DTL&type=printable

"Tom Martinez knows better. He knows that an arm does not make a quarterback. He knows that Tom Brady, his most famous protégé, won three Super Bowls because he respects the finer points of the job. And he knows that a quarterback should never, ever be asked to roll to one side of the field and then throw to the other. It's inefficient, mechanically unsound, such a scandalous misuse of momentum that a 10th-grade physics student would flag the play.

But Martinez couldn't help himself. JaMarcus Russell's arm is that seductive.

When it came time to create a list of plays for Russell to run in front of dozens of NFL scouts and executives last month, Martinez went with the taboo as their grand finale. Russell rolled right, and his receiver broke that way, too, before switching direction.

"JaMarcus threw it 70 yards and completed it," Martinez said. "It was unbelievable, unbelievable. You could hear this "Ahhhh" coming from all the NFL people."

On their first day together, Martinez measured the distance Russell covered in a three-step drop. "The first time he did it, it was 41/3 yards," Martinez said, "and in 45 minutes, we had him dropping back 7 yards in the same amount of time."

Martinez has seen all of Russell's flaws up close, and he still finds himself amazed. He says that Russell, fulfilling a typical scout's request, can stand flat-footed at the goal line and, without moving his body for the necessary torque, throw a ball 77 yards downfield.
 

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^ For real.... I'd do the same except I'd have Russell in front of Peterson. If the Raiders had a qb then I'd go for Peterson.
 

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I've seen highlights of Brady Quinn and he's good too. I think both would be good qb's in the NFL. The Raiders need a qb so they should draft at least one of them.
 
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Dude is somewhat right though. No one was talking about Russell during the College football season and all of a sudden everyone is talking about how he will be the #1 overall pick. Raiders need to address their Oline! Thomas should be #1.
 
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Wasn't these so-called experts shittin on Vince Young around this time last year? Shows how much they know.

some experts were 50-50 on VY.....most said he wouldnt be able to run like he did in college (which he proved wrong) and some said his passin motion would be a problem (which it some cases you could see it as a major problem but other games he looked good)



vy is one and a million athelte.....hes a WINNER.....he showed that throughout college and even in his rookie campagin....i dont care what kind of numbers he puts up as long as hes hosting that lambordi trophey one of these days.....his stride and will to win is unlike any other player ive ever seen on my team......and ive seen some greats like steve mcnair and eddie george.....kevin mawae (vetran center) said hes the "greatest" qb hes ever played with....and hes QUICK to critic him and others on the team so its not just like hes boosting him just because hes a teamate......hes publicly talked shit about fat albert (the head stomper) and pac....



so please dont compare VY to JRUSSEL



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All 4 the Bay said:
Dude is somewhat right though. No one was talking about Russell during the College football season and all of a sudden everyone is talking about how he will be the #1 overall pick. Raiders need to address their Oline! Thomas should be #1.

thomas is not number 1 overall talent.....if raiders get him they should trade up and get an extra second rounder















the way i see it is........its ethier hit or miss with JRUSSEL.....if they fuck up and it turns out russel is a bust.......then the raiders will be the laughing stock just like the houstan texans were for so long.....
 

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the way i see it is........its ethier hit or miss with JRUSSEL.....if they fuck up and it turns out russel is a bust.......then the raiders will be the laughing stock just like the houstan texans were for so long.....
Vince Young is the best college qb that ever played. That shit he did in that game against USC was some superman type shit so coming out of college Vince is better than Russell. Russell will be a better qb at the professional level once they both develop. What if Russell turns out to be a bust? What if he doesn't? We won't know until a few years from now anyway right?

The Raiders need to take their shot! Draft the qb and then address other needs. We'll see what happens soon because the draft is a few weeks away...
 
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RAIDERS COULD TAKE THE FIRST 5 PICKS IN THE DRAFT AND THEY WOULD STILL SUCK...

KNOW WHY?


CAUSE ITS THE FUCKING RAIDERS...THEY HAVE NO COACHING, OLD PLAYERS, AND NO FUCKING QUARTER BACK...

LAST PLACE IS CALLING THE RAIDERS...

THEY WILL ANSWER..

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