Should the Bay Immitate the East Coast Mixtape Scene?

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NOSTRIL KING

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A lot of times people on here ask "What is a mixtape exactly" and different people have different answers. To me, the definition of a mixtape should be:

"A bunch of free songs an artist puts out to keep his name fresh in the streets in between official releases."

I think mixtapes have mutated into:

"A bunch of free [low quality] songs [much of the time over commercial instrumentals] an [asshole no talent] artist puts out [floods the market] to keep his name fresh [overexposure] in the streets in between official releases [which sound just as low quality and shitty]."


I think it's a very poor situation to get into - although mixtapes can be used as a useful tool sometimes.

a) Most mixtapes suffer from a HORRIBLE ass mix job and aren't mastered at all. Even if the quality of the tracks are slammin, they don't play so well in the car.
b) A shit ton of songs on mixtapes are fuckin over commercial instrumentals. I've heard "In Da Club" over and over and over until I'm sick of it - I don't want to hear someone rap over it again. In the rare cases where I've asked myself "how would my fav artists sound over so and so's beat" - I listen one time and then I don't ever play that track again.
c) Mixtapes are fucking up the market because now people are expecting you to give them 8 full length albums on the street before they ever consider buying your album. You try to slang an album out of the back of your trunk and they'll look at you funny if you try to charge them anything. Whatever happened to taking your time with each track until you have perfection? You now have to have a perfect double album of material and give at least one of the discs away free.
d) Unless you're 50 Cent and people will cop whatever mixtape you put out no matter how shitty it is, most mixtapes are B-side material that's not good enough to make the album. You're trying to expose yourself to the public with less than your best effort? Your B-grade material? That's what you're expected to do.
e) It over exposes you. The reason DMX has played himself out is because you never could go 5 minutes without looking at his fucking Grace Jones lookin ass from 1998-2001. An album every 8 months, a single every 2 months, and a guest appearance to fill up whatever time in between. People need a break from you, to have them beggin for more. Now look - in addition to normal promotion, you're expected to put out mixtapes every so often to further over expose yourself. The mixtapes don't keep you fresh in the streets, they buzz the streets until they're sick of you. Watch how quickly Shady/Aftermath gets played out if they keep churnin out shit at this rate.
f) It's another form of industry exploitation. The record companies love you comin up in the studio and recordin shit that will never get put out - because it saves them promotional money and they still chargin you the studio time.

I think the mixtape scene is seriously burning out artists on the east coast scene...kids no longer having dreams of recording an album, investing they money and flipping it into albums and selling the albums flipping it into their own businesses. Now their dream is to have the streets buzzin with a mixtape which they ain't make one goddamn cent off of.

Bottom line, I think it's bad news.
 
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I don't know man. A lot of Mixtapes from good DJ's out east are quality shit. Mostly exclusive songs and some remixes, maybe a live performance or two. By no means are they junk. I mean, I'm sure you have your bullshit DJ's slangin bull but that will be everywhere.

The west coast has the wrong idea. The artists themselves are putting out weak mixtapes with bad mastering and stolen beats. Thats just not how is should be. Sounds to me like they just wanna make a little extra money off a cheap, non offical cd. (The ones who are selling their mixtapes anyway)

I sell Mixtapes on ebay. I was or still am trying to get my site done but its gettin fuckin ridiculous right now (whole nother story) Anyway, the mixtapes I'm currently selling are from DJ Mick Boogie, who was just on that MTV show Direct Effect. His Mixtapes are clean, great quality, nice artwork, I mean I can actually sit and listen to them which is usually unheard of. If the west had DJ's that actually did this type of thing then the west coast mixtape scene could get goin in the right direction. Someone posted a mix that DJ Mark 7 did, thats basically an east coast type thing there. Why don't more people do that?
 

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a) what kind of mixtapes are you getting? The ones I get are perfect quality and who really cares about the quality, they are mixtapes and are only $5 or less. All you can get for free online which dj's dont give a fuck about.

b) I agree, with the over use of beats. But sometime people just come so raw on the beat that its worth it. SO its a personal prefecence.

c) Mixtapes are far from fucking the market up. They are bringing attention to the noname artsits that deserve it. It brings you a buzz before your album realease. eg- 50 cent, Joe Budden, lox, red cafe, vaslim and ac3.

d) They are there just to show you are versatile. Even if it sucks, its not an offical track, just to show you can fuck around also. Most of the mixtapes I cop have all slumpin tracks. Especially the Best Of Mixtapes.

e) The streets will never stop the buzzing if you are still bringing heat. No matter what you do. Example- Look at Red Cafe. He has been bringing heat for a long time now and the streets are still buzzing waiting for his solo. DMX- do i really need to talk about? Look at the number of sales and then talk.

f) So what if they are saving money, you are also making money off the buzz, you are getting more fans.

Yes I think there are a lot of mixtapes flodding the market. But most from the westcoast are wack and are far away from a real mixtape. A mixtape is suppoesed to be MIXED together. Most of these westcoast mixtapes are not. A true wc mixtape woul dbe the done deal mixtape that was mixed by mind motion. For less mainstreams beats you can do waht equipto did with his.

Bottom line- mixtapes help the artists create a buzz for there album. And its good news to a music fan.
 
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DMX went platinum and so did "The Last Temptation." - Does that mean "The Last Temptation" was a quality effort and Ja Rule is not overexposed?
 

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I don't know man. A lot of Mixtapes from good DJ's out east are quality shit. Mostly exclusive songs and some remixes, maybe a live performance or two. By no means are they junk. I mean, I'm sure you have your bullshit DJ's slangin bull but that will be everywhere.

The west coast has the wrong idea. The artists themselves are putting out weak mixtapes with bad mastering and stolen beats. Thats just not how is should be. Sounds to me like they just wanna make a little extra money off a cheap, non offical cd. (The ones who are selling their mixtapes anyway)

I sell Mixtapes on ebay. I was or still am trying to get my site done but its gettin fuckin ridiculous right now (whole nother story) Anyway, the mixtapes I'm currently selling are from DJ Mick Boogie, who was just on that MTV show Direct Effect. His Mixtapes are clean, great quality, nice artwork, I mean I can actually sit and listen to them which is usually unheard of. If the west had DJ's that actually did this type of thing then the west coast mixtape scene could get goin in the right direction. Someone posted a mix that DJ Mark 7 did, thats basically an east coast type thing there. Why don't more people do that?
Ya I posted about that dj mark 7. Thats why I posted it to see, how he mixes and see his skills. But ya there are a lot of good dj's. Check out Dj Green Lantern or Dj Vlad or Dj Rectangle. Vlads from oakland but lives in NY now. He is the one that put out those rap pheomenom 1 and 2 mixtapes. Everything was perfect on those mixtapes. If you are going to sell mixtapes make sure you have a fat collection. I mean I get 8-10 mixtapes daily! So I know the quality of the dj's. And whats djs have what exculsives or blends.
 

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NOSTRIL KING said:
DMX went platinum and so did "The Last Temptation." - Does that mean "The Last Temptation" was a quality effort and Ja Rule is not overexposed?
Ja rule didnt get overexposed from from mixtapes.
Ja rule got overexposed from diss's. When 50 rose with all them diss's and riped all of Ja's credibility.
 
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i bought 1 mix tape (cellski 1st one), listen to about 6 and im sick of them, cant stand em and feel theyre played out...
fuck mixtapes, i hate the songs on the radio and hearin my favorite rapper on the beat dont make it any better.....Mixtapes is like opinions and assholes...everyone got one and they usually full of shit.
 
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In my opinion, a mixtape should AT LEAST involve a DJ with some skill. My favorite (and the only one I regularly listen to) is DJ Rectangle. His blends are incredible. But I think his tapes aren't entirely appropriate for promoting new artists as he blends so many songs. But at least it's different from some dick shouting "NEW SHIT! CLUE!" over tracks with no blending.


-=bumpus=-
 

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bumpus said:
In my opinion, a mixtape should AT LEAST involve a DJ with some skill
Real chat man...My mixtapes are tight...Been doin em for years...Oh and here's an idea...They're actually MIXED lol...Go check out the Frost mix I did or the Killa Valley mix and you'll see the difference...The songs blend together and TIME is actually put into them...The other mixtapes I do are just of exclusive shit and yeah, I yell over em every now an then, but that's just so other punk ass DJs cant steal it off my tpe an use it on theirs...That's why all DJs do it
 
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hmmm....well, there are 2 kind of mixtape these dayz....ones that DJs put out & ones that individual artists or labels do....

They are all good....I think all U lil critics here should stop hatin on da hustle....When yur out in da streets and see a big demand for your mixtape, then why not keep em comin and keep yur name fresh out there? who said it's not "real" just cuzz majority of West Coast mixtapes don't have DJs yellin over them....eff da bullshit....we comin up wit our own shit....it's called being creative & it SURE AS HELL is working....majority rules....if a percentage of tha fans are sick of tha mixtapes, then that percentage needs 2 ignore em when they come out....no reason 2 bitch if U aint puttin in work & doin it....but ofcourse everyone is entitled 2 their opinion....so keep it comin....
 
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Its a promotional tool. West Coast artist shouldn't immitate East Coast style Mixtapes. If we are going to do them, We should find new and innovative ways of going about it. Northern Cali has always done shit differently then the rest of the Industry. I say Improve the traditional way and present something fresh for the listeners.
 

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bumpus said:
In my opinion, a mixtape should AT LEAST involve a DJ with some skill. My favorite (and the only one I regularly listen to) is DJ Rectangle. His blends are incredible. But I think his tapes aren't entirely appropriate for promoting new artists as he blends so many songs. But at least it's different from some dick shouting "NEW SHIT! CLUE!" over tracks with no blending.


-=bumpus=-
You see there are different types of dj's. There are them blend dj's like vlad and rectangle and a lot more. And there are exclusives dj's like clue, whoo kidd, funkmaster flex..

RODZILLA said:
hmmm....well, there are 2 kind of mixtape these dayz....ones that DJs put out & ones that individual artists or labels do....
according to who? A mixtape is a tape thats MIXED. What the artists put out are more of a compilation with jacked beats.
 

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I THINK MIXTAPES ARE GOOD FOR THE WEST COAST BECAUSE IN MY OPINION THEY ARE A GREAT PROMOTIONAL TOOL . I JUST COMPLETED A MIXTAPE WIT DOBAD CALLED "PICK YOUR POISON" ALL ORIGINAL TRACKS , HEATED LYRICS , TRACKS MIXED AND ALL THAT , ANYWAY I FEEL LIKE AS LONG AS THE SHIT IS GOOD QUALITY THEN PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO FUCK WIT EM
 
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heres an idea. Remember when the bay used to slap together these really tight mixtapes, with all sorts of artists, old and new, and ORIGINAL beats. I was lucky enough to copp them all:

17 Reasons
18 Wit A Bullet
The Rompilation
Isolated in the Game
Noturious Pimps, Playaz, Hustlaz
Fillmoe 2 Hunters Point
UGA
50/50 Chances
West Coast Mafia
 
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BOTTOMLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!! MIXTAPES ARE A WAY TO GET A RECORD DEAL THERES NO FUTURE SELLING MIX TAPES THE FUTURE IS IN YOUR ORIGINAL MUSIC THE MIX TAPE JUST GIVES A SAMPLE SOUND OF YOURSELF CHEAP DEMO
 
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RODZILLA said:
hmmm....well, there are 2 kind of mixtape these dayz....ones that DJs put out & ones that individual artists or labels do....

They are all good....I think all U lil critics here should stop hatin on da hustle....When yur out in da streets and see a big demand for your mixtape, then why not keep em comin and keep yur name fresh out there?..........


Good shit, the west needs to shine on some new type shit, the mixtape hype worked well for the east, doing it there way, we gotta have our own type of format to stand out...I like some of the east coast mixtapes, but I aint been feeling any mixtapes from out here....it aint all about rapping over instrumentals already done, gotta come wit everythang to make it tight... anyways, good shit,
 

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Checkmate Muzik said:
MIXTAPES IS WIN WIN SITUATION FOR INDIE ARTISTS. IT PROMOTES ARTISTS AND YOU DONT HAVE TO SPEND MUCH MONEY ON THE PRODUCTIONS SIDE. I THINK ITS A GOOD THING WESTCOAST IS FINALLY COMING UP ON THE IDEA.
I agree. Dunno about the West Coast, but mixtapes (actually CDs) sell like hotcakes on the East Coast and South. A lot of them just have mixes of mainstream radio songs, but a lot have independent material.