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Mr. Nice Guy

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I find this hard to believe. But sorry, i have a serious moral stance against DV. It may happen more than we know in the NFL, but that doesn't make it right on any account. I am glad they are coming down harder on these issues int he NFL, becuase it not only illegal, its fuckin dangerous. The psychological affect on people who get beat up by men 3X there size can be long lasting. I mean, basically what youre saying is "everyone does it, so its OK". You are better than that.

The idea behind football, IMHO, is that the man on the field, is just that...on the field. Its no different than boxing. You job is to beat the shit out of people...in the RING. Thats it. Many of these guys are friends or at least respect one another and can separate the ring from real life, Tyson is obviously the exception. Thats how i view football: its your job to go out and hit people on the field, but its BUSINESS, not personal. When you go put on your suit and tie after the game, you are now just like any other citizen in the world and you need to abide by the same laws.
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So why are you advocating that they get treated differently than "any other citizen" who most likely would not be fired from his/her job for DV?
 
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Mr. Nice Guy said:
So why are you advocating that they get treated differently than "any other citizen" who most likely would not be fired from his/her job for DV?
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You would be fired from my job if you had a DV case, mainly because you wouldn't be at work, you would be in fuckin jail. The idea of a job is that you show up. You aint here, you get replaced.

Are we getting into the "sports stars and non-equal treatment in society" debate? There are lots of sides to that argument, mainly being that Joe the Plummer isnt a "role model", but Rus the QB is, whether its fair or not.
 
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Fucky McFuckerson said:
You would be fired from my job if you had a DV case, mainly because you wouldn't be at work, you would be in fuckin jail. The idea of a job is that you show up. You aint here, you get replaced.

Are we getting into the "sports stars and non-equal treatment in society" debate? There are lots of sides to that argument, mainly being that Joe the Plummer isnt a "role model", but Rus the QB is, whether its fair or not.
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Jail time, back and forth to court, anger management classes. yeah yo ass getting fired in these streets lol
 
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Fucky McFuckerson said:
You would be fired from my job if you had a DV case, mainly because you wouldn't be at work, you would be in fuckin jail. The idea of a job is that you show up. You aint here, you get replaced.
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So what you are saying is; if you were arrested for DV, but never convicted, never went to jail, and never missed any significant time at work your job would be OK?

Lets be serious, most people who are currently employed would never even need to tell their employer about a situation like that. You would take 1-2 sick days if you missed any time when waiting for bail and no one would ever even know what the sick days were for.

Are we getting into the "sports stars and non-equal treatment in society" debate? There are lots of sides to that argument, mainly being that Joe the Plummer isnt a "role model", but Rus the QB is, whether its fair or not.
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I didn't know there was a rule that sports role models were treated differently in the legal system.
 
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Jail time, back and forth to court, anger management classes. yeah yo ass getting fired in these streets lol
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Dude never went to jail other than right after his arrest while waiting for bail and did not do anger management classes.

Apples and oranges.

Also not to mention if you were an all-star at work that crushed and was one of the best at what you do in the world, you would not be fired for DV let alone "disorderly conduct" :cheeky:

You think top hedge fund guys get fired for something like this?
 
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Mr. Nice Guy said:
So what you are saying is; if you were arrested for DV, but never convicted, never went to jail, and never missed any significant time at work your job would be OK?
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You cant be arrested for something and not at least get booked and held in a cell. Being arrested for something and being convicted, though, are two very different things. Clark got his charge reduced down to a misdemeanor, which means he must have had a heckuva lawyer. The testimony by the witness said that she appeared unconscious with marks all over her face...

Lets be serious, most people who are currently employed would never even need to tell their employer about a situation like that. You would take 1-2 sick days if you missed any time when waiting for bail and no one would ever even know what the sick days were for.
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It all depends on the circumstance. 1-2 sick days? Really? So we are going to ignore the entire process? We are assuming you make bail. which can be quite pricey. Then there is trial time off, and so and so fourth.


I didn't know there was a rule that sports role models were treated differently in the legal system.
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A rule? More like a measuring stick. Dont act like you dont know that in the eyes of the public, a celebrity has a higher standard to live up to. Thats what i was referring to. Thats the society we live in. So someone like Russell Wilson is going to be under a microscope at all times. No one gives a shit if your neighbor beat up his wife.
 
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Mr. Nice Guy said:
Dude never went to jail other than right after his arrest while waiting for bail and did not do anger management classes.

Apples and oranges.

Also not to mention if you were an all-star at work that crushed and was one of the best at what you do in the world, you would not be fired for DV let alone "disorderly conduct" :cheeky:

You think top hedge fund guys get fired for something like this?
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Thats becuase most CEo's are slime balls, especially for financial institutions...where money is more important than life itself.
 
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Fucky McFuckerson said:


I find this hard to believe. But sorry, i have a serious moral stance against DV. It may happen more than we know in the NFL, but that doesn't make it right on any account. I am glad they are coming down harder on these issues int he NFL, becuase it not only illegal, its fuckin dangerous. The psychological affect on people who get beat up by men 3X there size can be long lasting. I mean, basically what youre saying is "everyone does it, so its OK". You are better than that.

The idea behind football, IMHO, is that the man on the field, is just that...on the field. Its no different than boxing. You job is to beat the shit out of people...in the RING. Thats it. Many of these guys are friends or at least respect one another and can separate the ring from real life, Tyson is obviously the exception. Thats how i view football: its your job to go out and hit people on the field, but its BUSINESS, not personal. When you go put on your suit and tie after the game, you are now just like any other citizen in the world and you need to abide by the same laws.
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See I don't really care. These guys play football. They are warriors on the field who get paid to hit people. I don't care if they are all Tim Tebow super nice guys, in fact, I want them to be sav's. Some player smacks around someone here and there, big deal, it happens in all sports. As long as they are about winning and are a team player, I'm happy, that's all I ask for. Also it goes without saying now that they are in the pro's, I hope they don't do some stupid shit and get arrested which hurts the team. But questioning someones past because they had a DV case? I honestly don't care and the only reason it's even being talked about now is because of Ray Rice and the shitstorm that created, since the NFL and media are so reactionary.

And yeah, believe it man, some of the greatest ever smacked people around. Im not saying it's right, Im just saying it tends to happen in violent sports somewhat often. It's tough for guys why are rewarded for being physical and violent their entire lives to be able to turn off the switch in heated situations. We see this in all contact sports especially in football, boxing/mma.
 
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Mr. Nice Guy said:
Dude never went to jail other than right after his arrest while waiting for bail and did not do anger management classes.

Apples and oranges.

Also not to mention if you were an all-star at work that crushed and was one of the best at what you do in the world, you would not be fired for DV let alone "disorderly conduct" :cheeky:

You think top hedge fund guys get fired for something like this?
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I was making a general statement and yes you would be fired, but for job abandonment. Depending on your state and any such Conduct Clauses at your job, yes you would be fired for DV. California for example is an At-Will state.

Hedge fund/trust fund babies run a company for the most part. if anything were to happen the board would vote them out. but that is highly unlikely so i will give you that one.

When it comes to this particular scenario as these men represent the NFL. Any athlete will face public scrutiny when it comes to DV, and rightfully so. Should they get kicked out of the league for repeat offenses? Yes. Not for personal reasons, but for political ones. Ray Rice turned the heat up on DV and now the court of public opinion wants Goddell to do something about it. The price you pay for making millions is to do right and dont commit any crimes or fail victim to public scrutiny, fines and suspensions.
 
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Rasan said:
When it comes to this particular scenario as these men represent the NFL. Any athlete will face public scrutiny when it comes to DV, and rightfully so. Should they get kicked out of the league for repeat offenses? Yes. Not for personal reasons, but for political ones. Ray Rice turned the heat up on DV and now the court of public opinion wants Goddell to do something about it. The price you pay for making millions is to do right and dont commit any crimes or fail victim to public scrutiny, fines and suspensions.
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Im sorry, but there is no place in the league for violent offenders. If you cant separate the field from your personal life, go get help...period. These arent faceless Joe's working at Burger King...these are public figures that kids look up to. Im not saying thats the way it SHOULD be, but thats the way it IS. Thats how our society works.
 
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Im sorry, but there is no place in the league for violent offenders. If you cant separate the field from you personal life, go get help...period. These arent faceless Joe's working at Burger King...these are public figures that kids look up to. Im not saying thats the way it SHOULD be, but thats the way it IS. Thats how our society works.
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Well, yes there are places for violent offenders in the NFL, clearly. This is the way society works. How many violent offenders are currently in the NFL? Quite a few. And quite a few teams pay a pretty penny to get them on their teams. At the end of the day, talent >>>> criminal record. That's the way the NFL has been bro. There's more politics involved these days, heavier suspensions and fines, but it's all reactionary. Media picks up story, it spreads, fans talk shit, NFL fines/suspend player. But they usually keep playing in the NFL.
 
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Well, yes there are places for violent offenders in the NFL, clearly. This is the way society works. How many violent offenders are currently in the NFL? Quite a few. And quite a few teams pay a pretty penny to get them on their teams. At the end of the day, talent >>>> criminal record. That's the way the NFL has been bro. There's more politics involved these days, heavier suspensions and fines, but it's all reactionary. Media picks up story, it spreads, fans talk shit, NFL fines/suspend player. But they usually keep playing in the NFL.
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until they murder someone
 
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Well, yes there are places for violent offenders in the NFL, clearly. This is the way society works. How many violent offenders are currently in the NFL? Quite a few. And quite a few teams pay a pretty penny to get them on their teams. At the end of the day, talent >>>> criminal record. That's the way the NFL has been bro. There's more politics involved these days, heavier suspensions and fines, but it's all reactionary. Media picks up story, it spreads, fans talk shit, NFL fines/suspend player. But they usually keep playing in the NFL.
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Do you have a list? Im not saying your lying, but sounds like you are fabricating your numbers. "Quite a few" can mean 100's, as there are 53+17 on a team.

Look, im not mad at them taking Clark, im disappointed that they lied about their due diligence. Thats the issue here. Dont come out and say you did all you could...and then have the Seattle Times bust out with shit you can get online for free. Just sayin tho.
 
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