Real Shyt on Bonds

[LA Dodgers]

nice to post "partial" stats. but why dont you post the rest. like,

walks how they went through the roof. K's how they went down? BATTING AVERAGE and ow it went up? batting average going UP, WAY UP, in mid to late 30's when eye sight should be going down???

why not post how his HR per Plate Appearance SKYROCKETED northward? or even how his HR per At Bat went Sky high?

at least people who know baseball can look at the "partial stats" you posted and conclude that he was hitting between 10-30 more homeruns per year and often with around 100 less at bats or 140 less plate appearances!!!!!!!!

 

[LA Dodgers]

And steriods only did this for Barry Bonds right? Steriods only made Barry Bonds a better player.........

nope, it made mcgruire, palmeiro, kaminetti, and canseco a whole lot better than what they could be given their natural abilities.


dont think that the world is oding after bonds only because its a Dodger Conspiracy or because the press doesnt like him.

every1 is going after him becuse he got help (steroids) in breaking baseball most hallowed record.

rest assured if any other player was making the push that bonds did to eventually break it with "aid" from steroids/hgh they would be feeling the same heat.


why yall think so many people are already hoping that Arod breaks it. so that it will be in the hands of another clean player

 

[45park1904]

bonds is a talented player

bonds took steroids

bonds hit more homeruns then he would have without it

bonds was a hall of famer before the steroids

bonds will break the biggest record in sports but will never be embraced for it, he will never have Hank's legacy and rightfully so because of the cloud of steroids...

bonds' dad probably had more to do with barry being as good as he is then the steroids

bonds is one of the best players to ever play the game

^^real shit

this is what giants fans will never get or admit too.pretty much everybody can agree that Barry is talented and is a great baseball player.nobody is taking that away from him.but his steroid use made him a a greater player then he already was.PERIOD.

 

[DukeSkywalker]

Again I'm not going to argur with you guys..EVERYONE has an opinion...but to think he has done it naturally is either idiotic...or too much homerism in your views.....


seriously step back look at #'s and you wll see a difference!

We have gone through this arguement TOOOOO MANY TIME on this site and others........and the 1 constant?????? Only Giants fans don't believe he took anything.

dude said he doesn't care if he took roids or not. i don't give a damn either.

 

[Defy]

first look at him 10 years ago compared to now..and you see something is going on with his body

look at shaq when he first went in the nba, that foo has grown exponentially. I know that doesn't account for the hat & shoe size things since people were saying he went up sizes in those, but its not impossible to get his size naturally.





I'm not saying that he didn't use steriods or other "performance enhancing drugs", but just that its possible he didn't.

 

[Defy]

nice to post "partial" stats. but why dont you post the rest. like,

walks how they went through the roof. K's how they went down? BATTING AVERAGE and ow it went up? batting average going UP, WAY UP, in mid to late 30's when eye sight should be going down???

why not post how his HR per Plate Appearance SKYROCKETED northward? or even how his HR per At Bat went Sky high?

at least people who know baseball can look at the "partial stats" you posted and conclude that he was hitting between 10-30 more homeruns per year and often with around 100 less at bats or 140 less plate appearances!!!!!!!!

even with that list it shows that after his first 4 seasons he never got less than 30 home runs except for 2 times.

 

[grind4mine]

LMAO!!! I know a person who uses steroids and specializes in specifically knowing what each one does. When asked if it can enhance hand and eye cordination he says all steroids can do is give you strength and speed and NOTHING ELSE. The other effects are roid-rage and shrinkage of your balls. You haters are talking out of your asses. You want a good example of Steroids, look at Mcguire his homerun totals and his average LOL that's a good example. Guy who'd have a low average but hit tons of them just like man of the players who were on roids. Bonds was one of a kind, with or without steroids he is without a doubt the best LF in all of baseball. Fielding and hitting wise. LOL @giving you better eye vision LMAO!

Your friend doesn't know shit if he told you that....lmfao! "the other effect".... Mayne is your like 16 or something? There are much more "effects" and concerns associated with AAS. Do us all a favor and don't come on here posting about something you have no real concept of. Read up on this subject and study it a little before talking about it aight mayne...

HGH does improve vision. Look up HGH and again.....do some studying up on this before commenting on something you have no concept of.


Let me break it down to you how Steriod and HGH help a batter in baseball....


Being stronger gave Bonds a quicker swing. Having a quicker swing allowed him to wait longer before committing to a pitch. That extra time was critical, because it allowed him more time to identify pitches before starting his swing. So, when he did swing, he had a beat on it and was more likely to make solid contact. This is also why he has an incredible eye for bad pitches. And then, of course, by the time he actually hits the ball, he has a greater bat speed. This means that balls that aren't hit solidly still have a chance of getting over the fence. Steroids definitely help a player hit for power and average.

Every aspect of his game went up except for base stealing and defense.

We all know he was juicing but the fact is so is everyone else...Ball players been taking amphetamines since the 1930's Majority of ball players were using this shit which gave them an unfair advantage....This shit is banned now and players today are not allowed to use it. Everybody cheats in every era there were many cheaters.



I don't care that he juiced...majority of players did at the time and even more than you think in the past.

 

[grind4mine]

nice to post "partial" stats. but why dont you post the rest. like,

walks how they went through the roof. K's how they went down? BATTING AVERAGE and ow it went up? batting average going UP, WAY UP, in mid to late 30's when eye sight should be going down???

why not post how his HR per Plate Appearance SKYROCKETED northward? or even how his HR per At Bat went Sky high?

at least people who know baseball can look at the "partial stats" you posted and conclude that he was hitting between 10-30 more homeruns per year and often with around 100 less at bats or 140 less plate appearances!!!!!!!!

What does this prove?? It doesn't sound like you put much thought into this argument of yours....this is just the same shit you hear over and over on Sports Center and all these different Sports Networks.


I ask again what does this prove? How about you look up Hank Aaron's numbers and you will see how his numbers went up dramatically in his mid to late 30's. This can be said for many ball players. Are gonna tell me Hank Aaron was juicing? Nobody ever made that claim, and nobody thinks that.


You are exaggerating a little on that 10-30 homers thing homie... It was only that 1 year in 2001 where he hit a grip of homers the rest of the years weren't that far off then shit he did earlier in his career. The reason he hit that many that year in 2001 was because they pitching was really bad. lol Look up Luis Gonzales and Shawn Green.... they hit like 25 homers more than they usually did and Green had 1 more year after that in home runs then he went back to hitting in the 20's same with Gonzo. A lot of players numbers went up that year...


Yall need to get of the brothas back, he never tested positive for any banned substances....They just fucking with him because he is black . lol nah but on the real though.. why they don't be calling Shawn Green and Gonzo a cheater after looking at their statistics?

 

[BROWN GUERRERO]

^^real shit

this is what giants fans will never get or admit too.pretty much everybody can agree that Barry is talented and is a great baseball player.nobody is taking that away from him.but his steroid use made him a a greater player then he already was.PERIOD.

No, I agree. I definitely admit steroids made Barry a better player. But you know what? He did it to level the playing field in an already tainted sport and if YOU can't admit that maybe you're the one in denial?

 

[grind4mine]

Look how Aaron's stats went up toward the end of his career....He hit 44 homers at age 35 and at age 37 he had is highest number of home runs at 47 and at age 39 he hit 40 homeruns. and he did all this in 200 less at bats? Fuck, maybe mayne was juicing also, according to the experts logic that say your numbers aren't suppose to get better as you get older. A-Rod be juicing like a muthafucka too he just aint been caught. lol

 

[P.E.]

read the book game of shadows..it answers everything...pretty much more or less.....bonds is a cheater and always will be and will always be known as the dude who cheated hank aaron out the all time hr record..period!!.....f.t.p!

 

[underground]

nice to post "partial" stats. but why dont you post the rest. like,

walks how they went through the roof. K's how they went down? BATTING AVERAGE and ow it went up? batting average going UP, WAY UP, in mid to late 30's when eye sight should be going down???

why not post how his HR per Plate Appearance SKYROCKETED northward? or even how his HR per At Bat went Sky high?

at least people who know baseball can look at the "partial stats" you posted and conclude that he was hitting between 10-30 more homeruns per year and often with around 100 less at bats or 140 less plate appearances!!!!!!!!

why not ASK for complete stats, you asked about how his homeruns were inconsistent. ill post comlete stats, youre not going to change my opinion.

 

[miggidy]

Don't steroids also help your vision in terms of seeing at higher frames of vision per second?
If you don't understand this, compare your regular films that run at 24 frames per second to high speed camera's used for instant replays in sport telecasts.
Notice everything you can see in motion that you would normally miss?
Another example (for the gamers out there) are video games. Notice the difference in animation when a game runs at 60 framer per second compared to 30 frames per second?

If this is true then this is a HUGE advantage when it comes to hitting.

 

[GTS]

Don't steroids also help your vision in terms of seeing at higher frames of vision per second?
If you don't understand this, compare your regular films that run at 24 frames per second to high speed camera's used for instant replays in sport telecasts.
Notice everything you can see in motion that you would normally miss?
Another example (for the gamers out there) are video games. Notice the difference in animation when a game runs at 60 framer per second compared to 30 frames per second?

If this is true then this is a HUGE advantage when it comes to hitting.

YOU could take all the steroids you want and still wouldn't hit 3 hrs in a 20 yr season.

 

[JLMACN]

I personally hope Bonds hit 40 Hr's this year...

I am getting sick and tired of people undermining his ability, when 90% of the people that talk about about him...

A - never played baseball
B- were never good at baseball
C - just hate that he is a dick head.
D - Fail to realize that even if Bonds took Steriods, a mojority of the pitchers PITCHING TO BONDS were taking it to.

Does Bonds swing, eye hand cordination, and Athleticness have anything to do with him doing well?

Look at Bonds' HR's through his career, he has been smashing balls.
His swing is unmatched....

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[Supa SAV'D OUTT]

It don't matter if he tooks roids or not......he'll brake the record and then some. People seem to have this misconception that taking roids allows him to make better contact with the ball. He stikes the ball well because he's a talented player not becuase the roids give him magical powers to hit every pitch thrown his way. We know it allows him to hit it further, but even without the roids Bonds would still be hitting homers.

He has talent that very few people have, so what If he is "bigger than he should be". Bonds has worked very hard at making solid contact with the ball. He's put everything into making his ability to make better contact take place......Roids has NOTHING to do with that......yea ok...he might not smash the ball out of his home park wihtout the roids.......but the bottom line is he would still be hitting just as many homers...weither he was on roids or not.

People that hate on Bonds are the same people who hate on weightlifters for taking roids.....Like taking roids give you magical ability to sprout new muscle over night.....you have to work even harder on roids to get big.. When Arnold was ruler of the body building circut, he roided up just like everyone else...but he worked harder than anyone else...the roids simply allowed him to reach his bodys real potential.....you can't take anything away from the blood sweat and tears these guys put into there craft.

real shyt

i feel tha same way if i take steriods and try to hit a ball ill still fuck up cuz u gotta have talent and the know how, theres alot of players who take it and still never accomplish anything so wit that bein said let dude live he never popped so so all u can do is blame him for bein suspect which dont mean a damn thing in this world

 

[BROWN GUERRERO]

HAHAHAHA!!! Some of you guys are fucking retarded. Are you listening to yourselves? Steroids helped him be more patient at the plate? Helped him see better? It slowed down his "fps"? HAHAHAHA!! Maybe you should go research before you all sound like retarded high school drop outs. The steroids Barry was accused of using were the cream, the clear, hgh, testosterone and trenbolone. ALL of which focus on the physical state of a human's body(sometimes animal lol). HGH is the only one remotely close to enchancing stuff like hand-eye coordination.

 

[GTS]

I personally hope Bonds hit 40 Hr's this year...

I am getting sick and tired of people undermining his ability, when 90% of the people that talk about about him...

A - never played baseball
B- were never good at baseball
C - just hate that he is a dick head.
D - Fail to realize that even if Bonds took Steriods, a mojority of the pitchers PITCHING TO BONDS were taking it to.

Does Bonds swing, eye hand cordination, and Athleticness have anything to do with him doing well?

Look at Bonds' HR's through his career, he has been smashing balls.
His swing is unmatched....

5000

good point, take into consideration the patience he has with all the walks he gets, and the way he gets pitched too compared to other players. It's a fuckin circus each at bat usually 40,000 fans are flashing thousands of photos each at bat. The media should just not report on it, rather than bash him.

 

[45park1904]

No, I agree. I definitely admit steroids made Barry a better player. But you know what? He did it to level the playing field in an already tainted sport and if YOU can't admit that maybe you're the one in denial?

check this out homie.

never did i once say that the playing field was not tainted.go to all my posts about bonds,i never said that Bonds was the only one taking roids,so miss me with "im in denial" BS.


What i do think is that you,and a lot of other Giants fans,know that he took roids but you continue to support him because simply because of the fact that he is a Giant.Fact is tho he cheated to get where he's at,bottom line,and yeah he was a good player before roids,i dont get why giants fans use that arguement because nobody takes that away from him,from siccness members to espn anaylists.....forget it,it's like talking to a brick wall. ok Barry never took performance enhancing drugs ever in life,he was all natural he's whole entire career,his head size grew because he has a disease and he never admitted to a jury that he "unknowingly" took roids.

 

[JLMACN]

What i do think is that you,and a lot of other Giants fans,know that he took roids but you continue to support him because simply because of the fact that he is a Giant.Fact is tho he cheated to get where he's at,bottom line.

This is a copp out and a vague reason to hate the greatest player of the STEROID ERA!!!!!

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