RACE AND RAP: DOES DIVERSITY IN THE BAY HOLD US BACK?
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I'm sick of this race bullshit.
Fuck a motherfucker who won't work with me cuase of my color.
This is America! Born in blood, baptized in hate. That makes it all the more difficult to find good people with integrity and character. And when you find a person like that to work with on a project, what fucking difference does it make what color they are?!
Fuck this post!
Fuck a motherfucker who won't work with me cuase of my color.
This is America! Born in blood, baptized in hate. That makes it all the more difficult to find good people with integrity and character. And when you find a person like that to work with on a project, what fucking difference does it make what color they are?!
Fuck this post!
Well let's look at it like this:
KMEL- our main radio outlet- the Music Director and APD (Big Von) is Black. The Program Director (Stacy) is Black
Thizz Ent- Black
Sick Wid It- Black
Moe Doe & Hyphy Juice- All Black
Scalen LLC (Messy's Shit)- Black
Frisco Street Show- Black
Done Deal- Black, except for donedealkenny
The person buying Rap music for Rasputins- Black
City Hall Distribution- White
SMC- White
Now in just doing that quick lil' exercise of the top of my head, I'm just trying to figure out how your orignal statement still holds up. Because theoritically Distribution doesn't make records or tell them how to make records. Unless you're talking about DJ's, who still don't make records nor dictate our music
KMEL- our main radio outlet- the Music Director and APD (Big Von) is Black. The Program Director (Stacy) is Black
Thizz Ent- Black
Sick Wid It- Black
Moe Doe & Hyphy Juice- All Black
Scalen LLC (Messy's Shit)- Black
Frisco Street Show- Black
Done Deal- Black, except for donedealkenny
The person buying Rap music for Rasputins- Black
City Hall Distribution- White
SMC- White
Now in just doing that quick lil' exercise of the top of my head, I'm just trying to figure out how your orignal statement still holds up. Because theoritically Distribution doesn't make records or tell them how to make records. Unless you're talking about DJ's, who still don't make records nor dictate our music
Do you find it funny how people get upset when a white man mentions race? Every time a white dude says something, he's racist. Every time a white man gets called a cracker, he deserves it.
LMMFAO! Tell me, are you serious? How do you explain people wearing suits in the 1800's then? How do you explain the Mafia wearing suits prior to the 1920's? You're out of touch with reality on that one. Wearing a suit TODAY is associated with being SUCCESSFUL, not white. When you see Suge Knight in a suit, do you stop and say, "Damn, that's so white of Suge". Are NBA players squares for wearing suits? Because they do.
So, because somebody is white, asian, or mexican, you know their story? Does Jeffrey Dahmer's story speak for me as well? Because we're both white, so we must have the same story, right? Now, tell me, if you don't care about anybody else's story, why should they give a fuck about yours? Because honestly, in rap music, all you hear is how hard it is in the hood, crack dealing, being black, drivin' expensive cars and fuckin bitches. Yea, that makes for an interesting story on 12 out of 13 songs. The rap game isn't filled with Common's, or Talib's, or Mos Def's....it's full of 50 Cents and Snoop Dogg's. There are no more 2Pacs, only Ja Rule's....
So tell me, if your response to "I'm white and I grew up in rough streets" is "SO?"...give me one good reason why anybody on earth SHOULD care when you say, "I'm black and I'm from the hood!". You know what's more interesting? People who say, "I'm black and I grew up in The Democratic Republic of Congo, formerly known as Zaire". Now that's a fuckin' survival story grabbing my attention.
LMMFAO! Tell me, are you serious? How do you explain people wearing suits in the 1800's then? How do you explain the Mafia wearing suits prior to the 1920's? You're out of touch with reality on that one. Wearing a suit TODAY is associated with being SUCCESSFUL, not white. When you see Suge Knight in a suit, do you stop and say, "Damn, that's so white of Suge". Are NBA players squares for wearing suits? Because they do.
So, because somebody is white, asian, or mexican, you know their story? Does Jeffrey Dahmer's story speak for me as well? Because we're both white, so we must have the same story, right? Now, tell me, if you don't care about anybody else's story, why should they give a fuck about yours? Because honestly, in rap music, all you hear is how hard it is in the hood, crack dealing, being black, drivin' expensive cars and fuckin bitches. Yea, that makes for an interesting story on 12 out of 13 songs. The rap game isn't filled with Common's, or Talib's, or Mos Def's....it's full of 50 Cents and Snoop Dogg's. There are no more 2Pacs, only Ja Rule's....
So tell me, if your response to "I'm white and I grew up in rough streets" is "SO?"...give me one good reason why anybody on earth SHOULD care when you say, "I'm black and I'm from the hood!". You know what's more interesting? People who say, "I'm black and I grew up in The Democratic Republic of Congo, formerly known as Zaire". Now that's a fuckin' survival story grabbing my attention.
1) I'm 100% white and I AM part of the culture... so I don't know what the f**k your boy is talking about as far as that is concerned. Getting approval from someone who isn't part of the culture is more of an issue when you get to the major labels (none of which have headquarters in the bay), which are mostly run by older jewish men who don't listen to rap. I would venture to say that most of the white boys who are factors in the bay scene DID grow up on hip hop and ARE part of the culture.
2) When were latino's ever really "in control of the culture"? They have always been a minority in hip hop along with whites and asians. Name one really huge latino artist from the bay area in the mid-90's... that's right, you can't.
3) White's, Latino's, Asians, Middle Eastern people are NOT the outside face of bay area rap music. The bay is very diverse, and we all contribute to the culture, but all the HIGHEST SELLING ARTISTS are still black. You look at the "Tell Me When To Go" video... mostly black, "Blow The Whistle", mostly black, "Vans", mostly black.
Doodiejones, I think I addressed your original question, which is about external perception.
The real reasons the bay is having a hard time are numerous, but range from lack of major labels in the area, small population compared to other metropolitan areas, geographic isolation from other metropolitan areas, baycentric lyrics that other regions can't relate to, market oversaturation, and too many more to go into on this post...
2) When were latino's ever really "in control of the culture"? They have always been a minority in hip hop along with whites and asians. Name one really huge latino artist from the bay area in the mid-90's... that's right, you can't.
3) White's, Latino's, Asians, Middle Eastern people are NOT the outside face of bay area rap music. The bay is very diverse, and we all contribute to the culture, but all the HIGHEST SELLING ARTISTS are still black. You look at the "Tell Me When To Go" video... mostly black, "Blow The Whistle", mostly black, "Vans", mostly black.
Doodiejones, I think I addressed your original question, which is about external perception.
The real reasons the bay is having a hard time are numerous, but range from lack of major labels in the area, small population compared to other metropolitan areas, geographic isolation from other metropolitan areas, baycentric lyrics that other regions can't relate to, market oversaturation, and too many more to go into on this post...
Diversity is a good thing,it's what makes the bay area hip hop scene a hell of alot better than most other regions in hip hop...there's not one city in this country that has a better independent rap scene than the bay, most hip hop scenes in other cities are like 10 years behind the bay business wise...
the only problem is that most of the consumers usually onlly buy into one sound that's coming out the bay...which is why you have dudes stuck complaining about cheap sounding nintendo beats, theirs a shitload of quality music coming from outside the "hyphy" movment, from the more gangsta type of sound like The Mob Figaz, and turf talk all the way down to the traditional hip hop type of sound from dudes like Heiro and mistah kane...
well, grahfing and b-boying were around before MCing and DJing...latinos were heavily invovled in both (grahfitti and breaking), and since both are a form of hip hop this is why you have latinos being credited in the beginnings of the culture
the only problem is that most of the consumers usually onlly buy into one sound that's coming out the bay...which is why you have dudes stuck complaining about cheap sounding nintendo beats, theirs a shitload of quality music coming from outside the "hyphy" movment, from the more gangsta type of sound like The Mob Figaz, and turf talk all the way down to the traditional hip hop type of sound from dudes like Heiro and mistah kane...
well, grahfing and b-boying were around before MCing and DJing...latinos were heavily invovled in both (grahfitti and breaking), and since both are a form of hip hop this is why you have latinos being credited in the beginnings of the culture
I think racism holds us back. You can be as diverse a region as possible , but if racial groups dont have any respect for one another , it's irrelevent whether or not the region is diverse. For exapmle , if ten people all hated T-kash , (and I think that's way under the real #) but they were all of different backgrounds , that does not change anything but the spectrum of the error , not the actual problem.
I think selective diversity holds the bay back. For example , we're all part of the "human race" when we want to go to a huge hip hop concert that promotes the racist based stereotypes of our induvidual cultures, but we cant go to a Brown Berrets conference in San jo or Watsonville , because that's that "brown pride stuff" or we dodge the Pathers reunion because it's "on some other ish". We are only "diverse" when it's "safe" , which is not diversity. That's called, selective sectularism.
And for the record , a white kid learns how to cook mexican food. It does not make him mexican , and does not make the mexican cuisine "white" cuisine or , "universal". The same will always apply to hip hop.
If you mastered the elements of the culture through how and where you grew up , much love and respect. But hip hop will always be a BLACK SUB-CULTURE of Black existance in America.
If you are so confident that hip hop needs no racial build then please do your part to see thatpolice brutality , gentrification , public school crises , prison reform and environmental racism are no longer a Black thing along with hip hop anymore either. Failure to do so makes someone look like they are practicing selective outrage , which is Racism in it's purest form.
I think selective diversity holds the bay back. For example , we're all part of the "human race" when we want to go to a huge hip hop concert that promotes the racist based stereotypes of our induvidual cultures, but we cant go to a Brown Berrets conference in San jo or Watsonville , because that's that "brown pride stuff" or we dodge the Pathers reunion because it's "on some other ish". We are only "diverse" when it's "safe" , which is not diversity. That's called, selective sectularism.
And for the record , a white kid learns how to cook mexican food. It does not make him mexican , and does not make the mexican cuisine "white" cuisine or , "universal". The same will always apply to hip hop.
If you mastered the elements of the culture through how and where you grew up , much love and respect. But hip hop will always be a BLACK SUB-CULTURE of Black existance in America.
If you are so confident that hip hop needs no racial build then please do your part to see thatpolice brutality , gentrification , public school crises , prison reform and environmental racism are no longer a Black thing along with hip hop anymore either. Failure to do so makes someone look like they are practicing selective outrage , which is Racism in it's purest form.
and i will make sure to tell sugarhill records who were at least 5years before def jam that they don't count anymore as the first rap label. and rick rubin bailed out on def jam in 1988 and did only rock and roll until 99 problems. rick rubin did punk rock, came over leeched off hip hop and then went back to punk music and said that rap was dead in '88. rick rubin was one of the first to really exploit and try and suck the blood out of hip-hop so he can get props for that
You obviously took that the wrong way Dutch.. You what I mean by that. Rick Rubin started a hip hop label , not hip hop. He had alot to do with it of course , and as I said above I love and respect that. You and I both know of kids who will rally against race in hip hop but can't tell me or you who Rick and the Beasties are , they watch john brown and bypass you , and Nate Mezmer and Wisdom and Fanatic. Rick and the Beasties aren't rallying to "change" hip hop. The fact is , they did it the right way , with respect to the origin , like how you get down.You don't rock the n-word , You don't shy away from politics , etc. If I offended you , my bad , call me up, let's not give the cops a chance to post replys and spin this outta control-lol...
For real man....
Oh yeah , I'll be back at the time out in two weeks , come through man , it's all good.
For real man....
Oh yeah , I'll be back at the time out in two weeks , come through man , it's all good.
go check out vh1's 30 years of hip hop bro. tells the whole story. dont let your friends gas you. rick rubin is way og and sugar hill gang made the what first rap song? cool. congrats. major for hip hop. but def jam was the first all hip hop label with touring and acting as a fully functional label, ran by a white man and the big sellers were, yep you guessed it run dmc and the beastie boys.
IT SHOULDN'T BE RACE THAT MATTERS, IT SHOULD BE THE MUSIC BOTTOM LINE. LET THE MUSIC SPEAK FOR IT SELFF..IAM FIJIAN/INDIAN I DO THIS CAUSE IT RUNS TO MY BLOOD AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH THIS HIP HOP SHYT, ITS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO EXPRESS WAT I FEEL YA MEAN.... CHECK ME FAMILY 1
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i don't need vh1 to school me on the history of hip-hop. rick rubin was a producer. russell was the businessman or because vh1 who 5 years ago did not acknowledge hip-hop don't say it,it's not true?. vh1 gave us flavor of love and the white rapper show. vh1 first ignored it and now make a mockery out of it. i hope you don't take everything they say as gospel. def jam is still here and rick rubin left in 87. twenty years later. that ain't because of rick rubin, who if you know your history had a funeral for the word def. put it in a casket and everything. this was before nas. what he was realy saying was i can't pimp this culture anymore so it isdead to me
