Oscar De La Hoya VS. FLoyd Mayweather Jr..

[Tony]

Oscar don't want none... I think he'll get knocked out. Floyd has already stated that if the fans wanted to see a rematch he would come out of retirement to do it.

Since Floyd is the best pound for pound and the champion... Oscar would have to agree on Floyd's terms now. I don't think Oscar would agree to fight on Floyd's terms.

 

[miggidy]

It goes to show that just because the boxing scene in America is quiet, it doesn't mean the sport is dead.
Those are huge numbers!

The rematch is definately going down.
Money buys over fear any day.

I'm afraid of Mike Tyson,
but I'd fight the son of a bitch any damn day for that kind of money!

 

[MOREBASS]

@Tony...

Even though Floyd won the fight, Oscar is still hands down the bigger draw, and is going to get his way once again.


You see, people don't pay to watch Floyd Mayweather Jr. People pay to see Oscar De La Hoya. And with this last fight, Oscar just eclipsed Mike Tyson as boxing's all time greatest draw...ever.


No other fighter in the history of the sport has brought more revenue into the sport than Oscar.

 

[Anaheim*Rob]

Whoever fights Oscar will always fight on Oscar's terms.

 

[Tony]

I agree about Oscar being the biggest draw...

But if a rematch did go down Oscar won't be able to set the fight up in his favor like he did this last time.

Floyd should get the bigger purse since he's champ, Floyd should choose where and when they're going to fight, Floyd should choose the ring size and gloves.

Yeah Oscar may have eclipsed Mike Tyson as the greatest draw ever but who's going to pay to see him now after he just got spanked like he did? Stick a fork in Oscar because he's done as a top fighter.

I'd rather pay to see Mayweather.

 

[Tony]

Whoever fights Oscar will always fight on Oscar's terms.

Well I guess Oscar can forget about a rematch. It's not like he wants one anyway. If Oscar wants to fight Floyd, it should be on Floyd's terms because he's the undefeated champion and the best pound for pound boxer in the world.

I wonder would Oscar fight Mayweather in Madison Square Garden, on a black holiday, with Floyd getting the bigger purse, and Floyd choosing the ring size and gloves. I don't think he would because Oscar ain't hard like Floyd. Floyd fought on Oscar's terms and still whooped him.

 

[Anaheim*Rob]

Since when did the champ get the bigger purse and get to set the terms?(Edit: they probably did back in the days) Do you think Carlos Baldomir made more than Floyd when they fought? (Baldomir was champ) How about when Oscar fought Mayorga for his belt? The person putting asses in seats and the person selling the PPV gets the bigger cut whether they're champ or not. Another thing is a rematch would be promoted by Golden Boy so therefore he's(Oscar) picking up alot of the expenses from the promotional side so he'd naturally get the bigger cut. A rematch would be cut somewhere along the lines as the first bout at 70/30 in favor of Oscar. Check Floyd's PPV numbers without Oscar, he couldn't even sell half a million PPV buys in any of his fights(I don't even think he hit 400,000). Oscar consistently sells over a million. Oscar generates the majority of the money and he takes whats his, that's just how it is.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Hey anyone know what the PPV numbers were for this fight, and also how much money floyd/oscar got? Thanks

 

[Tony]

Anahiem Rob, I see your point about Oscar bringing in the crowd and the pay per view numbers thing... But he's been losing lately. Sugar Shane beat him, Bernard knocked him out, and Maweather just spanked him. So his value as a per per view draw is going down. I am not paying to see him fight anymore. I paid to see Mayweather spank Oscar......not Oscar spank Mayweather... Oscar is done as a boxer. He knows it... if he would have won this fight he'd still be the man.

But with all due respect if Oscar wants a rematch it should be on Pretty Boy's terms. If not, then Oscar needs to find someone else he could pimp because Floyd ain't going out this time. If Oscar was hard and wants that rematch bad enough he'd agree to accept less money than Floyd, wear any gloves, fight anywhere, ect...

A rematch at 70/30 in favor of Oscar? Naaaaa. I would laugh if Oscar said something like that. Come on now a 70/30 purse is for someone like Mayorga. Floyd's the man now and if Oscar wants to fight he's gotta accept less money.

It should be more like 65/35 in favor of Flody as far as purses go. And Mayweather has or is putting together his own promotional company too. So if Oscar was/is hard enough he'd do the same thing that Floyd did to get into the ring. And that would be agreeing to Floyd's terms to get him in the ring. If not, Oscar needs to keep it moving.

 

[Tony]

Hey anyone know what the PPV numbers were for this fight, and also how much money floyd/oscar got? Thanks

2.15 million. It could go up to 2.2 million. As as for the money, I cut and pasted this: "De La Hoya could take home upwards of $50 million with Mayweather earning around $20 million."


On the real I think too much credit has been given to Oscar. I think a lot of people tuned it or bought this fight to see an "undefeated" Floyd Mayweather move up in weight and challenge for the title as well. I mean give Mayweather credit too. He had more on the line than De La Hoya did.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

2.15 million. It could go up to 2.2 million. As as for the money, I cut and pasted this: "De La Hoya could take home upwards of $50 million with Mayweather earning around $20 million."

so did that beat the record then?

 

[Anaheim*Rob]

I see what you're saying there Tony, in a perfect world the undefeated champ should be setting the terms and getting the lions share of the purse, but it's not. It's a business, Oscar's generating 70-80% of the money whether it be through PPV's, ticket sales, etc. so he's getting the majority of the money win or lose. On top of the that, the fight was a split decision, in Oscar's mind he won the fight and while he might concede a little for a rematch I doubt it would be a significant change in comparison to the first match. Now if everybody does what you're talking about and stops buying Oscar's fights and his fights start bringing in less, I can see him conceding more, but until then, he's the draw and will take the most money home. Anyone that fights Oscar knows this and I can guarentee that 99% of the fighters out there would be content with accepting a fight with Oscar at 70/30 split, because it would still be the biggest payday of their career.

 

[Anaheim*Rob]

so did that beat the record then?

Sure did.

CBC Sports

The superfight between Floyd Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya broke pay-per-view records for the sport, according to figures its broadcaster released Wednesday.

The fight, won by Mayweather, became the first to be purchased by more than two million U.S. households, HBO Pay-Per-View said. The 2.15 million buys beat the previous record of 1.99 million set with the rematch of Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield in 1997.

At a $55 US price point, the fight generated revenue of $120 million in the U.S. alone. The fight was also broadcast on pay-per-view around the world, including in Canada.

The fight attracted considerable media attention for a sport that has suffered a decline in audience in recent years. Disappointing bouts, a lack of leadership and regulation in the sport, and the emergence of mixed martial arts events have all contributed.

"This puts to bed this theory of boxing being in trouble, or being dead or dying," said Ross Greenburg, head of HBO Sports. "This fight would have never materialized if boxing was dying."

The pay-per-view totals smashed the previous mark for a bout not involving heavyweights, 1.4 million buys set when De La Hoya fought Felix Trinidad in 1999.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2007/05/09/boxing-record.html

 

[Tony]

I hear you dog... I don't think everbody will stop buying Oscar's fights though because he has a huge fan base. But with these last few loses Oscar is not at the top of his game anymore so I won't be dishing out that 50 bucks to see him fight. Some others might feel like that as well... Tyson was a huge draw because he had a huge fan base. Holyfield was a huge draw like Oscar because both Holyfield and Oscar fought the best fighters out there.

 

[MOREBASS]

Yeah Oscar may have eclipsed Mike Tyson as the greatest draw ever but who's going to pay to see him now after he just got spanked like he did? Stick a fork in Oscar because he's done as a top fighter.

I'd rather pay to see Mayweather.

See the thing is. You are one of the very few, who feel like Oscar got spanked. Go back and watch the Mayweather-Baldomir fight, and you'll see a spanking. A 12 round route. The equivalent of a no hitter for a pitcher.

Oscar lost a close fight. Close because he was the aggressor in the fight, and points are or should be rewarded on effective aggression.

As far as you preffering to pay to see Floyd, well, you are one of the few.

Just like Rob said, Floyd just does not fill seats, not even in his hometown. Not even in his new hometown.

IMO the reason being that 'the average boxing fan' makes up the bulk of the sports' fanbase. And 'the average boxing fan' does not want to pay to see a boxing masterpiece, 'the average boxing fan' wants to see somebody get his fucking teeth knocked out, and he wants to see a fighter leave his blood, sweat, and tears in the ring.( ie Diego Corrales )

 

[Tony]

Just because you're the agressor doesn't mean you're winning or won the fight. Ali was the greatest of all time (according to a lot of boxing experts )and how many fights of his was he the aggressor? The only time the aggressor factor comes in is when two fighters are in the ring and one fighter is always going backwards "without" punching. And if the round is that hard to score then you factor in the aggressor. This wasn't the case here. Mayweather was landing "flush" power shots to De La Hoya's dome. And while De La Hoya was swinging he missed damn near 80% of his punches. So aggression come in at a certain point... but not in this fight. Yeah, he was the aggressor in this fight but you can't win a fight after you get pounded with power shots the whole fight.

I am average boxing fan and I wouldn't mind seeing a boxing masterpiece. If I want to see teeth kocked out and all of that I'd watch MMA or that UFC stuff. I am a boxing fan period. I enjoyed watching (Diego Corrales, RIP) but that was one hellava boxing materpiece that Floyd put on when he whooped Corrales. Both were undefeated at the time.

 

[Anaheim*Rob]

I hear you dog... I don't think everbody will stop buying Oscar's fights though because he has a huge fan base. But with these last few loses Oscar is not at the top of his game anymore so I won't be dishing out that 50 bucks to see him fight. Some others might feel like that as well... Tyson was a huge draw because he had a huge fan base. Holyfield was a huge draw like Oscar because both Holyfield and Oscar fought the best fighters out there.

I see what you're saying, but slightly disagree. I can admit that Oscar is not at the top of game in comparison to when he was younger, but he can still beat alot of people out there. Like you said, the man consistantly fights top level opposition and with that, you're going to get losses, but look at everyone he's lost too, all top level elite fighters. If you think about it, Oscar had 1 fight within two years going into the Mayweather fight and he pulled out a SD with the p4p number 1 guy, that's pretty good if you ask me.

 

[Tony]

Don't get me wrong... I am not taking nothing away from Oscar. I just think he's done as far as fighting. I mean who is out there for him to fight on Pay Per View now? He's lost to Sugar Shane twice, knocked out by Bernard, and Floyd just landed over 50% of his power punches to De La Hoya's dome. I wouldn't mind seeing him fight again because he's a good fighter. I am done with paying to see him fight though....

That one judge who scored it for Oscar must have been on some kind of drugs. The only round I seen Oscar decisevly win was round 2 when he started turning up the heat... I dont understand how someone could score the fight in Oscar's favor. He missed more punches and got hit with more. Floyd landed more punches at a higher connect rate. And these weren't cheap punches like when Oscar was holding and hitting. These were punches in the middle of the ring after De La Hoya would miss or simply walk in to.

 

[Tony]

See the thing is. You are one of the very few, who feel like Oscar got spanked. Go back and watch the Mayweather-Baldomir fight, and you'll see a spanking. A 12 round route. The equivalent of a no hitter for a pitcher.

Oscar lost a close fight. Close because he was the aggressor in the fight, and points are or should be rewarded on effective aggression.

As far as you preffering to pay to see Floyd, well, you are one of the few.

Just like Rob said, Floyd just does not fill seats, not even in his hometown. Not even in his new hometown.

IMO the reason being that 'the average boxing fan' makes up the bulk of the sports' fanbase. And 'the average boxing fan' does not want to pay to see a boxing masterpiece, 'the average boxing fan' wants to see somebody get his fucking teeth knocked out, and he wants to see a fighter leave his blood, sweat, and tears in the ring.( ie Diego Corrales )

So you had Oscar winning the fight?

 

[miggidy]

Tony, there were a few close rounds in that fight that could've gone either way depending whether you appreciate defense or offense.
I pretty much saw an even fight, even after watching it a second time.
(main reason why De La Hoya got the nod in my card is because he actually tried winning the final round of a close fight)
There were a couple of rounds where I can imagine that a defense appreciating judge could give to Mayweather.
These same rounds, an offense appreciating judge can give to De La Hoya.

115-113 in De La Hoya's favor is no stretch at all if you believe the fight was close. But if you believe that Floyd put on a whoopin then any scoring in De La Hoya's favor seems far fetched to you.