Official GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS 2008-09 Season Thread
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so you are tired of warrior fans wanting to improve? if that makes yout he best warrior fan then so be it. i like to evolve with the times. and improving is doing just that. business is business. wins are wins. ellis is dope and i dont want him to go. but you give me a top 5 big man for him, and i have zero complaints. we are talking about Olympic gold medalist possibly. talking career double double guys. talking about guys who have scored 50 in a game and also multiple games with 20+ rebounds. shot blocks, and pick and roll specialists....... are you that caught up on ellis? who signed a 66 million contract an went out and broke his ankle, and still walks with a slight limp? i love the guy (no homo) but ellis is not going to do for the warriors what lebron does for cleveland, or kobe does for the lakers. we gave superstar money to a tweener. he aint a super star and he aint an average player. if we can come out the other end smelling like a rose, with a big man and a pg out the draft ah lah d. rose oj mayo this year...... man.......
What does reshaping the team for 1 cat do for you though?
Does that automatically make you a playoff team? I don't think so. Phoenix has a lot of talented players on paper including Amare Stoudemire and are barely an 8th seed.
If you noticed, GS doesn't run without Ellis. If you get rid of him then they're a half court team (not their strength) that STILL doesn't play any defense. Stoudemire or Bosh aint gon make that big of a difference. At least with Monta, once (if) he gets back, they can run some teams out of the building because when he runs, he makes other people want to run.
Does that automatically make you a playoff team? I don't think so. Phoenix has a lot of talented players on paper including Amare Stoudemire and are barely an 8th seed.
If you noticed, GS doesn't run without Ellis. If you get rid of him then they're a half court team (not their strength) that STILL doesn't play any defense. Stoudemire or Bosh aint gon make that big of a difference. At least with Monta, once (if) he gets back, they can run some teams out of the building because when he runs, he makes other people want to run.
sometimes peete, i think you take the opposing side of a conversation just for argument sake. i dont fully believe you mean what you just typed. 
How does your defense improve with Bosh or Stoudemire? It doesn't. And tell me the Ws DON'T struggle in the half court.
You don't need their scoring. The W's have 10 solid scorers already.
Boooooooooooooooooo
Just like Utah decided to run in the playoffs right? That was the Mavericks mistake to try and run, and they made the mistake cause they had a relatively new coach who was taught by who, oh yeah, Don Nelson. Utah knew that the Warriors couldn't grind it out then, and they DEFINATELY can't now. Running teams don't win, PERIOD. Having a big body down low is what the Warriors need, and I don't mean a 7 foot stripper pole like Beidrins. I'm not taking anything away from him, he can grab boards with the best of them in the league, but he doesn't scare anybody. Getting a big man down low, that can put up 25/30 points and 15 rebounds, scares opponents.
Yeah because Utah hasn't been running the same offense with the same coach for 20 years. That had nothing to do with it ... :eyecross:
Bosh and Stoudemire are what's out there and they're not what you're describing up there.
Boooooooooooooooo
Edit - We're getting a good example (Phoenix Suns) of what happens when you were a running team, decided that running wasn't the thing to do, blow the team up, and become a half court team...
Bosh and Stoudemire are what's out there and they're not what you're describing up there.
Boooooooooooooooo
Edit - We're getting a good example (Phoenix Suns) of what happens when you were a running team, decided that running wasn't the thing to do, blow the team up, and become a half court team...
Exactly, they've been running the same grind it out, pick and roll offense and have been kind of successful at it. The Warriors will never make any noise until they have an inside presence, PERIOD.
You're telling me that Bosh and Stoudemire don't have defensive gameplans adjusted around them and that they won't put up 25 and 15....riiiiiiiiiiight
You're telling me that Bosh and Stoudemire don't have defensive gameplans adjusted around them and that they won't put up 25 and 15....riiiiiiiiiiight
Exactly, they've been running the same grind it out, pick and roll offense and have been kind of successful at it. The Warriors will never make any noise until they have an inside presence, PERIOD.
You're telling me that Bosh and Stoudemire don't have defensive gameplans adjusted around them and that they won't put up 25 and 15....riiiiiiiiiiight
You're telling me that Bosh and Stoudemire don't have defensive gameplans adjusted around them and that they won't put up 25 and 15....riiiiiiiiiiight
Amare isn't a typical back to the basket inside presence. He's trying to be David West and uses the threat of his medium range jumper to initiate his offense.
Bosh is a face up big who doesn't usually initiate his offense on the inside. Sooooooo where is this magical inside presence coming from???
They're both more of a threat from the inside then anything else that's on the team now, out there, or going to be out there anytime soon. Their mid range games force the big men that guard them to come out and that free's up space inside. Saying that they're not an inside presence ain't true cause they both can play back to the basket, and bring physical play down low. The Warriors have NONE of that right now.
some tidbits
Ric Bucher, ESPN The Magazine: Despite their losing record, the Warriors are convinced they are only one piece away from being America's most exciting underdog again, and they're apparently hoping to prove it before the Feb. 19 trade deadline.
League sources say the Warriors offered rookie Anthony Randolph and veteran Andris Biedrins to the Toronto Raptors for Chris Bosh, and while the Raptors were not interested, other sources say the Warriors are also taking a run at the Phoenix Suns' Amare Stoudemire, presumably with a similar offer.
All this was before Biedrins sprained his ankle Friday in Phoenix, so it's not clear what impact that might have on his immediate value. He is expected to be back playing before the trade deadline. If nothing else, the Warriors' willingness to move Randolph and Biedrins is more proof that the Warriors are ready to sacrifice long-term development for a team coach Don Nelson can win with now.
then from chad ford's q&a:
Adam (E Lansing, MI): I heard Warriors and the Bulls are the only two serious teams in the Amare trade. They are offering Biedris but he wont be back until after the All-star break due to injury. Doesn't this make the bulls the favorite now? Paxson must pull the trigger
Chad Ford: I have a hard time seeing how the Warriors are involved. Yes, the Suns like Anthony Randolph and Brandon Wright. But they also want expiring contracts. The Warriors don't have any of note. That means the Suns would have to take back Corey Maggette or another bad contract. They are going in the opposite direction. As for Biedrins and Monta Ellis? They are both base year compensation players which means they are very difficult to trade. So on paper it sounds great for both teams. But if you know anything about the cap, you know this is mostly hot air coming from the Warriors. The only caveat I'll add is if they can find a third team willing to take Maggette who'd offer an expiring contract in return. If that happened, the Warriors could do a three way that would make sense for the Suns.
id move Wright and someone else before i move Randolph.
Ric Bucher, ESPN The Magazine: Despite their losing record, the Warriors are convinced they are only one piece away from being America's most exciting underdog again, and they're apparently hoping to prove it before the Feb. 19 trade deadline.
League sources say the Warriors offered rookie Anthony Randolph and veteran Andris Biedrins to the Toronto Raptors for Chris Bosh, and while the Raptors were not interested, other sources say the Warriors are also taking a run at the Phoenix Suns' Amare Stoudemire, presumably with a similar offer.
All this was before Biedrins sprained his ankle Friday in Phoenix, so it's not clear what impact that might have on his immediate value. He is expected to be back playing before the trade deadline. If nothing else, the Warriors' willingness to move Randolph and Biedrins is more proof that the Warriors are ready to sacrifice long-term development for a team coach Don Nelson can win with now.
then from chad ford's q&a:
Adam (E Lansing, MI): I heard Warriors and the Bulls are the only two serious teams in the Amare trade. They are offering Biedris but he wont be back until after the All-star break due to injury. Doesn't this make the bulls the favorite now? Paxson must pull the trigger
Chad Ford: I have a hard time seeing how the Warriors are involved. Yes, the Suns like Anthony Randolph and Brandon Wright. But they also want expiring contracts. The Warriors don't have any of note. That means the Suns would have to take back Corey Maggette or another bad contract. They are going in the opposite direction. As for Biedrins and Monta Ellis? They are both base year compensation players which means they are very difficult to trade. So on paper it sounds great for both teams. But if you know anything about the cap, you know this is mostly hot air coming from the Warriors. The only caveat I'll add is if they can find a third team willing to take Maggette who'd offer an expiring contract in return. If that happened, the Warriors could do a three way that would make sense for the Suns.
id move Wright and someone else before i move Randolph.
