Official GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS 2008-09 Season Thread
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MONTA ELLIS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE (((EXPECTED TO RETURN MID DECEMBER)))
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3667938
hopefully he returns to AT LEAST 85% of what he was last season. anything above that would be great. cant wait.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3667938
hopefully he returns to AT LEAST 85% of what he was last season. anything above that would be great. cant wait.
AL HARRINGTON TRADE RUMOR = FALSE
http://48minutes.net/2008/10/28/harrington-nelson-deny-trade-story/
http://48minutes.net/2008/10/28/harrington-nelson-deny-trade-story/
damn, the Warriors are really falling appart. i like Harrington but if we can get a good trade...im sure alot of fans wont mind him leaving. who's available out there for a trade?
shit, im having doubts now. seems like the Warriors front office is destroying this team. if the Al Harrington trade happens (which im sure we will be losing 2-3 players all together) then i dont think we will have a good enough team to compete out here in the west. that all really depends on who the Warriors get in return for the trade.
shit, im having doubts now. seems like the Warriors front office is destroying this team. if the Al Harrington trade happens (which im sure we will be losing 2-3 players all together) then i dont think we will have a good enough team to compete out here in the west. that all really depends on who the Warriors get in return for the trade.
i don't understand AL. now that Monta's out, he has the perfect opportunity to step his game up. if you don't just wanna be known for just jackin 3's up, then go in and bang and rebound. it's not nellie who's messing Al's game up, it's AL !!! your a captain, so step up and be ready to play !!! see you tonite boys......{no romo}
Looks Like Al Does Want Out
GOT THIS FROM SFGATE
The Warriors forward confirmed late Tuesday that he and his agent, Dan Fegan, met earlier with vice president Chris Mullin to reiterate Harrington's unhappiness playing for coach Don Nelson and his desire to be moved.
"If you ask me if I want to be traded, I've been wanting to be traded since the end of last season," Harrington said. "With everything that happened in the summer and coming into training camp, I was hoping things were going to work out between me and Nellie, but I don't think that's going to happen.
"It is what it is. That's being all the way honest. That's putting it out there. Do I think that Al might have to be traded? Do I think it's going to work with me and Nellie? I don't think so. That's how I feel."
Harrington has never made it a secret that he felt underutilized and often out of position in Nelson's system, but the forward/center always did what was asked, and, until now, kept his major grievances in-house.
An emotional Harrington explained Tuesday that he didn't want to be a distraction to the team and had hoped his rocky relationship with Nelson would be different this year. But preseason maneuvering by Nelson - who is about to re-sign for another two seasons - has Harrington doubting the outcome.
He played just 17 minutes in the Warriors' exhibition finale, a game Nelson said he'd coach as if it were the regular season. Just prior to that, Nelson announced that he'd made Harrington a team captain, a title he gave to Stephen Jackson and Andris Biedrins at the start of training camp.
It's a move Harrington questions the sincerity and timing off, given its ability to reflect poorly on him if a trade request became public.
Now that it is, resolving Harrington's future is the latest challenge facing the Warriors' fractured front office. Suspended guard Monta Ellis, who was essentially fined $3 million for his moped accident, is expected to file a grievance over Golden State's handling of his punishment within the week.
GOT THIS FROM SFGATE
The Warriors forward confirmed late Tuesday that he and his agent, Dan Fegan, met earlier with vice president Chris Mullin to reiterate Harrington's unhappiness playing for coach Don Nelson and his desire to be moved.
"If you ask me if I want to be traded, I've been wanting to be traded since the end of last season," Harrington said. "With everything that happened in the summer and coming into training camp, I was hoping things were going to work out between me and Nellie, but I don't think that's going to happen.
"It is what it is. That's being all the way honest. That's putting it out there. Do I think that Al might have to be traded? Do I think it's going to work with me and Nellie? I don't think so. That's how I feel."
Harrington has never made it a secret that he felt underutilized and often out of position in Nelson's system, but the forward/center always did what was asked, and, until now, kept his major grievances in-house.
An emotional Harrington explained Tuesday that he didn't want to be a distraction to the team and had hoped his rocky relationship with Nelson would be different this year. But preseason maneuvering by Nelson - who is about to re-sign for another two seasons - has Harrington doubting the outcome.
He played just 17 minutes in the Warriors' exhibition finale, a game Nelson said he'd coach as if it were the regular season. Just prior to that, Nelson announced that he'd made Harrington a team captain, a title he gave to Stephen Jackson and Andris Biedrins at the start of training camp.
It's a move Harrington questions the sincerity and timing off, given its ability to reflect poorly on him if a trade request became public.
Now that it is, resolving Harrington's future is the latest challenge facing the Warriors' fractured front office. Suspended guard Monta Ellis, who was essentially fined $3 million for his moped accident, is expected to file a grievance over Golden State's handling of his punishment within the week.
Warriors arent gonna be that bad...but then again they arent gonna be that good. with Monta still out and the possible Al trade...this team is not even ready to start the season correctly. but when Monta comes back and when the players start to gel as a team later in the year then ill be happy to make that bet against you.
Rowell’s dealings with Stephen Jackson negated Warriors’ chances at Tayshaun Prince
Posted by Tim Kawakami on October 29th, 2008 at 10:41 am | Categorized as NBA, Warriors
* I guess I have to do this now, since there will probably be at least one website trying to debunk this report. 1) Certainly there is no expectation on my part that any Piston or Warriors officials will publicly confirm SJax-for-Prince discussions. THEY NEVER DO THAT ON CLOSE-BUT-NO-CIGAR DEALS. It’s bad for business. 2) So there will be debunkings attempted as soon as those denials happen. I’m OK with that. I was OK with it yesterday. When you’re 100% on your reporting, it’s all good.
It’s coming fast and furious now, from all over the league, as executives and other sources check in with me, asking one question: What are the Warriors doing?
By the way, the Al Harrington trade request isn’t a major headline for them–people around the NBA have known about Al’s problems with Don Nelson for years and once Nelson was re-upped expected a trade-demand and a trade fairly quickly, unless somebody with the Warriors gets stubborn.
For league people, the true big continuing and confounding Warriors issues:
1) The Monta Ellis Situation, which, as I noted on KNBR this morning, looks like it’s heading towards a very ugly place, which might have been inevitable. The problem: Why is it going on and on?
Other-team execs note that the Warriors are in a tough spot on this one–several are OK with Robert Rowell’s hardline stance for fiscal protection but some believe that the Warriors’ decision to maintain the option to void the deal AFTER suspending Ellis is setting up a frigid atmosphere for future player relations.
More importantly, It’s the prolonged nature off the stand-off–and where it could be headed (grievance, hearings, possible voiding or trade demand) that has most in the NBA shaking their heads.
2) Rowell’s personal intervention to make sure Stephen Jackson gets his maximum contract extension, even though SJax still had two years left on his deal and is 30 now.
The Jackson thing gets weirder and weirder: I’ve heard from three NBA sources that Chris Mullin and Pistons boss Joe Dumars had continuing, open-ended discussions about a possible deal that would’ve focused on SJax moving to Detroit and Tayshaun Prince coming to the Warriors.
(Side editorial note: TAYSHAUN PRINCE? One of the 25 best, most versatile players in the league? Who is two years younger than SJax? Nothing against SJax and what he means to this team… but… Tayshaun?)
To be clear: There was no agreement. No papers being drawn up. Just talks. Interested, directed talks. That doesn’t seem like a fair deal (for Detroit), so there would’ve had to be other players or picks involved.
But Dumars is still looking to change up the Pistons’ chemistry and Prince has three years and $30M left on his deal, so moving him for SJax’s two years and $15M would free up some future cash. (Bringing SJax back to the Palace at Auburn Hills would be… interesting.)
The two sides started talking last summer and agreed to keep talking up to February 2009 trade deadline, if nothing else occurred.
Guess what happened: Rowell had dinner with SJax and told him that they’d do a deal, somewhere around SJax’s max allowable–three years and $27M, stretching through 2012-’13. That deal is expected to be announced at any time now and SJax has made sure of it by talking about it publicly. (VERY smart, Stephen.)
Dumars, of course, wants no part of SJax for that kind of contract. Nobody in the league, other than the Warriors, wants him signed at that kind of money into his mid-30s. He’s a very good–but not a great–player. He had two years left on his deal. There was time.
But Rowell wanted him for the long-term. Rowell’s call. He’s the man. There are repercussions, however.
The relatively short-term length of SJax’s deal, plus his obvious strengths as a defender and clutch shooter, made him an asset on the trade market.
He had great value to the Warriors and also good value to other teams, looking for a missing piece.
Not any more.
The new deal means the only team desperate enough to pay him now is the Warriors, who get to keep him for more money than anybody else would’ve paid him, precisely when the Warriors were the only team who could negotiate with him.
Wow. That gets people around the league buzzing and wondering and asking: WHAT ARE THE WARRIORS THINKING?
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawaka...-botched-warriors-chances-at-tayshaun-prince/
Posted by Tim Kawakami on October 29th, 2008 at 10:41 am | Categorized as NBA, Warriors
* I guess I have to do this now, since there will probably be at least one website trying to debunk this report. 1) Certainly there is no expectation on my part that any Piston or Warriors officials will publicly confirm SJax-for-Prince discussions. THEY NEVER DO THAT ON CLOSE-BUT-NO-CIGAR DEALS. It’s bad for business. 2) So there will be debunkings attempted as soon as those denials happen. I’m OK with that. I was OK with it yesterday. When you’re 100% on your reporting, it’s all good.
It’s coming fast and furious now, from all over the league, as executives and other sources check in with me, asking one question: What are the Warriors doing?
By the way, the Al Harrington trade request isn’t a major headline for them–people around the NBA have known about Al’s problems with Don Nelson for years and once Nelson was re-upped expected a trade-demand and a trade fairly quickly, unless somebody with the Warriors gets stubborn.
For league people, the true big continuing and confounding Warriors issues:
1) The Monta Ellis Situation, which, as I noted on KNBR this morning, looks like it’s heading towards a very ugly place, which might have been inevitable. The problem: Why is it going on and on?
Other-team execs note that the Warriors are in a tough spot on this one–several are OK with Robert Rowell’s hardline stance for fiscal protection but some believe that the Warriors’ decision to maintain the option to void the deal AFTER suspending Ellis is setting up a frigid atmosphere for future player relations.
More importantly, It’s the prolonged nature off the stand-off–and where it could be headed (grievance, hearings, possible voiding or trade demand) that has most in the NBA shaking their heads.
2) Rowell’s personal intervention to make sure Stephen Jackson gets his maximum contract extension, even though SJax still had two years left on his deal and is 30 now.
The Jackson thing gets weirder and weirder: I’ve heard from three NBA sources that Chris Mullin and Pistons boss Joe Dumars had continuing, open-ended discussions about a possible deal that would’ve focused on SJax moving to Detroit and Tayshaun Prince coming to the Warriors.
(Side editorial note: TAYSHAUN PRINCE? One of the 25 best, most versatile players in the league? Who is two years younger than SJax? Nothing against SJax and what he means to this team… but… Tayshaun?)
To be clear: There was no agreement. No papers being drawn up. Just talks. Interested, directed talks. That doesn’t seem like a fair deal (for Detroit), so there would’ve had to be other players or picks involved.
But Dumars is still looking to change up the Pistons’ chemistry and Prince has three years and $30M left on his deal, so moving him for SJax’s two years and $15M would free up some future cash. (Bringing SJax back to the Palace at Auburn Hills would be… interesting.)
The two sides started talking last summer and agreed to keep talking up to February 2009 trade deadline, if nothing else occurred.
Guess what happened: Rowell had dinner with SJax and told him that they’d do a deal, somewhere around SJax’s max allowable–three years and $27M, stretching through 2012-’13. That deal is expected to be announced at any time now and SJax has made sure of it by talking about it publicly. (VERY smart, Stephen.)
Dumars, of course, wants no part of SJax for that kind of contract. Nobody in the league, other than the Warriors, wants him signed at that kind of money into his mid-30s. He’s a very good–but not a great–player. He had two years left on his deal. There was time.
But Rowell wanted him for the long-term. Rowell’s call. He’s the man. There are repercussions, however.
The relatively short-term length of SJax’s deal, plus his obvious strengths as a defender and clutch shooter, made him an asset on the trade market.
He had great value to the Warriors and also good value to other teams, looking for a missing piece.
Not any more.
The new deal means the only team desperate enough to pay him now is the Warriors, who get to keep him for more money than anybody else would’ve paid him, precisely when the Warriors were the only team who could negotiate with him.
Wow. That gets people around the league buzzing and wondering and asking: WHAT ARE THE WARRIORS THINKING?
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawaka...-botched-warriors-chances-at-tayshaun-prince/