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Training camp, Day 4 (A.M. practice)

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, July 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Quick hits from Sunday morning’s Raiders practice:

– Defensive end Derrick Burgess continues to be perhaps the most impressive player in camp, and not just as a pass rusher. He blew up a running play, getting Darren McFadden in the backfield.

– Lap runners for false starts or offsides Sunday morning included tackle/guard Paul McQuistan, tackle Mario Henderson and defensive end Fred Wakefield.

– Running back Michael Bush found himself stacked up on a short-yardage play by linebackers Edgerton Hartwell and Jon Alston, along with defensive end Greyson Gunheim.

Bush has shown promise as a runner and receiver, but it remains to be seen if he will be an effective short-yardage back. Bush has prototype size at 250-pounds, but his pad level is often high, which allows defenders stop him in tight quarters.

Zack Crockett, utilized as the Raiders short-yardage back when they Raiders were three-time winners of the AFC West, looked for a crack and got low to gain the necessary yards.

– JaMarcus Russell and Andrew Walter both had fumbled snaps with John Wade as the center.

– Strong safety Greg Wesley (back spasms) returned to practice and had a nice stop of Adimchinobe Echemandu on a running play.

– Not sure how much it’s going to help against the 49ers Aug. 8, but defensive coordinator Rob Ryan attempted a pass to linebackers coach Don Martindale amidst several defenders before one drill. Amazingly, Ryan’s wobbler found its target. Martindale couldn’t hold it.

– Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly and wide receiver Javon Walker were out of practice as scheduled and were to return for the evening session. Left tackle Kwame Harris missed his second straight practice with a sore lower back and said he hoped to return in the evening. Grant Irons is still out with a hamstring pull.

– Tackles Seth Wand and Mario Henderson continued to get work on both the left and right sides.

– Todd Watkins made a nice snag of a Russell bullet on a slant pattern during a team session.

– During one team session, the Raiders were blitzing the offense on every play, simulating what the team is likely to face as opponents go after Russell.

Russell made some nice hot reads during the session, with one of the best going for naught when tight end Darrell Strong dropped a pass with Tyvon Branch in coverage.

– McFadden had his second consecutive practice where he didn’t look sure of himself as a receiver, seeming surprised as the ball arrived.

“He’s had some inaccurate hand placement on some catches, which is a surprise because we didn’t see much of that in the camp before,” Kiffin said. “He’s got so much going on right now and so much pressure on him and so many different plays so we’re going to keep pushing him and then there will come a time when we pull back. His attitude’s phenomenal.”

“Inaccurate hand placement” is Kiffinese for not being ready to catch the ball.

– Stanford Routt had an interception of a Russell pass intended for Drew Carter in a 7-on-7 drill.

– Defensive tackle Terdell Sands, after some pre-play urging from Kiffin, pushed through the middle of the offensive line and and ruined an offensive play, drawing praise from his defensive teammates when he came off.

– Russell, who was forced to pull down the ball and run several times the previous evening, had fewer instances where in game situations he would be putting himself at risk. Kiffin has made it clear he wants Russell to err on the side of caution in running situations and get down.

If Russell knows how to slide, he hasn’t shown it yet in practice, instead realizing defenders aren’t going to bring him to the ground.

– Another tough day for punter Shane Lechler and place kicker Sebastian Janikowski. They headed back to the field house at 9:16 a.m. and didn’t return until 10:36. Return specialists practicing at the end of the workout were using a machine.

– Return specialists were attempting to field two kicks shot a few seconds apart from an apparatus like a pitching machine at the close of practice. They would catch one ball, toss it aside, then try and catch the second if they could reach it.

Among those fielding kicks were Chris Johnson, Rashad Baker, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Michael Waddell, Drisan James and Branch.

Kiffin placed Higgins in the lead to return punts, Branch for kickoffs.

– The most hotly contested position might be strongside linebacker, where Sam Williams, Robert Thomas and Ricky Brown are getting a look. Irons was also in the mix but a hamstring pull put him behind the field.

Williams has the ideal size at 6-foot-5, 260 pounds, but has been beset by injuries since Al Davis traded up to get him out of Fresno State in 2003.

He started well last year but was sidelined by a stinger, and never reclaimed the job from Thomas. Rather than bemoan his bad luck and get a fresh start somewhere else, Williams re-signed with the Raiders instead of becoming a free agent.

“I know what I can do. They know what I can do, and I’m going to have this be my year where I show the world what I can do, so it wasn’t a mistake getting me,” Williams said.

“We love everything about him, the way that he goes about special teams, the way he prepares,” Kiffin said. “We just need him to stay healthy, and he was playing well at the beginning of the year last year before he got hurt, and we just need to continue to build on that.”

– The Raiders practice again tonight at 7 p.m.
 
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^Whats up with some new music?
Anyways, this is gonna be an interesting season seeing as JaMarcus is pretty much a rookie too.
Atleast you guys have some Vets in the D
 
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Training camp, Day 4 (P.M. practice)

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, July 27th, 2008 at 9:37 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Quick hits from Sunday night’s Raiders practice:

– Tackle Mark Wilson, a practice squad player signed to the active roster following the season, sustained a left leg injury, was taken off the field on a cart, and was sent to the hospital for X-rays.

– Left tackle Kwame Harris (lower back) returned to practice after missing the previous two sessions. He moved well and at one point fared well in a pass blocking opportunity against Kalimba Edwards.

– For the first time, no offensive or defensive lineman had to run laps for committing a false start or jumping offsides.

– Wide receiver Ronald Curry and center Jake Grove took the workout off, as scheduled. John Wade got the majority of the snaps with the first team offense in Grove’s absence. Defensive end Fred Wakefield, battling a stomach ailment, did not practice after practicing in the morning session. Safety Greg Wesley (back spasms), who returned to practice in the morning, missed the evening session. Grant Irons is still out with a hamstring pull.

– Al Davis made his first appearance at practice, watching from a golf cart between the two fields.

– During kickoff drills early in practice, running back Darren McFadden was deep and running kickoffs hard up the middle. Kiffin mentioned McFadden as a possibility for return duty on occasion.

Interesting McFadden would get his most work in that area in a practice Davis attended. Whether or not McFadden returns kickoffs will almost certainly be a decision made at the top. Davis resisted the idea of having Charles Woodson play offense or return punts, although part of that probably had to do with Woodson’s history of nagging injuries.

– Expect McFadden to be utilized only in crucial situations, in games where the Raiders need a strike at the end of a half or game, or when they are struggling on offense and need a momentum switch. To use him at all in that role in the preseason would be a questionable use of a major investment.

– McFadden had a much better practice catching the ball out of backfield than he did in the earlier session, when Kiffin expressed concern over his “hand placement.” Guess he figured out they had to be somewhere near the ball.

– Other players returning kickoffs were cornerback Chris Johnson, wide receiver Jonathan Holland and safety Tyvon Branch, who Kiffin said earlier in the day is the current leader for that role.

– Rookie wide receiver Chaz Schilens was taken to task by receivers coach James Lofton for not coming back hard enough to catch a pass.

– The offense spent one session running plays apart from the defense, meaning the opposing “defense” consisted of second- and third-line offensive players. McFadden, fortunately looked to be a rock when it came to pass blocking against blitzing Ivy League quarterback Jeff Otis.

If the 49ers play their second-line offense as a defense against Oakland, the Raiders look to be in business.

– Johnnie Lee Higgins would seem to have a roster edge since he is the leader to be the punt return specialist, but in terms of catching the ball and making plays as a receiver, Holland appears to be staying right with him or even outplaying him.

– Nnamdi Asomugha perfectly diagnosed a JaMarcus Russell slant pass in a 7-on-7 drill, jumped the route and ran for a would-be touchdown.

– Linebackers Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard are so adept at pass coverage that the defense they refer to as the “dime” _ which in most cases utilizes one linebacker and six defensive backs _ has both men on the field. It is distinguished from the nickel by the positioning of the backs.

– Wide receiver Todd Watkins had one drop of a Russell pass over the middle and later a juggle which he managed to retrieve, but ended practice on a strong note, catching a deep out from Marques Tuiasosopo with an impressive leap and grab as three horns sounded to end the session.

– Following Watkins’ grab, the team met in the center of the field, but Kiffin dispatched Janikowski to attempt a 57-yard field goal. Usually in those instances, something is on the line _ extended curfew, reduced meeting time, etc.

Janikowski, who had nailed a pair of 43-yard kicks in an end-of-game drill earlier in practice, this time missed wide right.

– The Raiders practice once Monday from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m.
 
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^Whats up with some new music?
Anyways, this is gonna be an interesting season seeing as JaMarcus is pretty much a rookie too.
Atleast you guys have some Vets in the D
YEAH I THINK THIS SEASON SILL ACTUALLY BE THE ONE IN WHICH WE TURN THE CORNER.

I WAS IN THE LAB TODAY. THE ALBUM IS ABOUT HALFWAY DONE. IT'LL BE OUT 4TH QUARTER, THIS YEAR.

STAY TUNED!!
 

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J russell got drafted because he made a big throw on his knee.....he was never a elite qb in college...hes probally not even the best qb drafted that year...
MooreBlock... here we go again. Russell got drafted because he made a big throw on his knee? WTF? Let's address the Vince Young vs JaMarcus Russell issue. Vince Young was probably a better qb in college because of the way college defenses are. They're undiscipline (don't keep containment). So they used to let him run, run, run.... That's why Vince Young looked so good while playing at Texas. Taking nothing away from him because he was deep. But he will not be a better qb than Russell will be in the NFL because he simply doesn't have the arm.... and defenses in the NFL won't let him out of the pocket. Defenses are forcing Young to beat them with this arm and so far he's been unsuccessful. Russell can make any throw in the football field so he'll be a better qb in the NFL.

And while you're talking about Russell not being the best qb drafted that year (who was?)... was Vince Young the best qb drafted the year he was drafted? Or was it Jay Cutler? So far Jay Cutler has been the best qb drafted that year. I'd take Jay Cutler over Vince in the NFL anyday because he can make "NFL" throws... can you say the same for Vince? Nope! That's why they rely on their defense and pounding fatboy up the middle all day.
 
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MooreBlock... here we go again. Russell got drafted because he made a big throw on his knee? WTF? Let's address the Vince Young vs JaMarcus Russell issue. Vince Young was probably a better qb in college because of the way college defenses are. They're undiscipline (don't keep containment). So they used to let him run, run, run.... That's why Vince Young looked so good while playing at Texas. Taking nothing away from him because he was deep. But he will not be a better qb than Russell will be in the NFL because he simply doesn't have the arm.... and defenses in the NFL won't let him out of the pocket. Defenses are forcing Young to beat them with this arm and so far he's been unsuccessful. Russell can make any throw in the football field so he'll be a better qb in the NFL.

And while you're talking about Russell not being the best qb drafted that year (who was?)... was Vince Young the best qb drafted the year he was drafted? Or was it Jay Cutler? So far Jay Cutler has been the best qb drafted that year. I'd take Jay Cutler over Vince in the NFL anyday because he can make "NFL" throws... can you say the same for Vince? Nope! That's why they rely on their defense and pounding fatboy up the middle all day.

I'm not really interested in your guys' little arguement, but I'd like to say that, IMO, Matt Lienert is the best overall QB (so far) in that draft.
 

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Matt Lienart? LOL... he can't even beat out Kurt Warner at this point in Kurt's career. Plus Matt has a "weak" arm. I would have taken Jay Cutler over Vince and Matt. Cutler has that "NFL" arm! In my opinion I would have taken them in this order:

Jay Cutler
Vince Young
Matt Lienart (sp)
 

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LOL... Redrum you gotta watch more football dog especially if you think Lienart has been a better qb than Culter (so far). Cutler kills both Vince and Matt...

back to Raider football....
 
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j russel hasnt played more then a couple series in an acutal nfl game.....vy is/was the rookie of the year for his year...russel wasnt even starting his rookie year??!

cutler has the better stats but he hasnt done shit with a overall better team then what VY has/had......

brandon marshall and rod smith and there good running game has helped cutler......yet he hasnt done shit and cant get it done in the clutch.....

other then there running d every aspect of the broncos was better then the titans....yet big bad ass cutler couldnt manage a playoff berth
 

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j russel hasnt played more then a couple series in an acutal nfl game.....vy is/was the rookie of the year for his year...russel wasnt even starting his rookie year??!

cutler has the better stats but he hasnt done shit with a overall better team then what VY has/had......

brandon marshall and rod smith and there good running game has helped cutler......yet he hasnt done shit and cant get it done in the clutch.....

other then there running d every aspect of the broncos was better then the titans....yet big bad ass cutler couldnt manage a playoff berth
We all know why Russell wasn't starting. You act like he wasn't starting due to poor performance.

While you're questioning Cutler getting it done in the clutch... can Vince Young get it done in the clutch (without running)? If so, how many points did Vince lead the Titans to score in that playoff game against SD? Did he even manage 1TD pass? Russell did start (his first NFL game with no pre-season experience) and played the whole game against SD and the Raiders scored more than (cough, cough) 6 points!
 
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the guy that threw from his knees was Kylie Boller never heard of Russell doing that and Matt Lienart is too busy partying thats why he aint the quarter in Arizona
just because you never heard of it doesnt mean it didnt happen.....people that follow the combine WILL know what im talking about......


@tony

VY played allrite in that game up untill chris brown fumbled in our redzone.....

plus our WEAK WR corp was WEAKER after losing roydell williams (our 2nd leading WR last year) halfway threw wildcard week

our number 2 starting WR in that game was biren ealy who had NO i repeat NO playing time in the regular season...

VY only fucked up when the game was allready lost and he was forcing his throws to WRs he shouldnt be forcing throws to


as i was willing to bet that lendale will be better then fargas im also willing to bet that VY will be better then russel.....because its not a "might" its fact for me....

VY allready got a head start.......PROBOWL/ROY.....russel can never get roy of the year so thats out of the window.....
 
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j russel hasnt played more then a couple series in an acutal nfl game.....vy is/was the rookie of the year for his year...russel wasnt even starting his rookie year??!

cutler has the better stats but he hasnt done shit with a overall better team then what VY has/had......

brandon marshall and rod smith and there good running game has helped cutler......yet he hasnt done shit and cant get it done in the clutch.....

other then there running d every aspect of the broncos was better then the titans....yet big bad ass cutler couldnt manage a playoff berth

???????

rod smith hasn't been healthy since cutler has been playing.

Our running game was not anything special last year.

overall our d was shit, and our oline was shit..so to say Denver was better in eveything other than run d is 100% completely FALSE!

Javon was hurt so basically all we had was marshall as the rest of our wr's were unproven or underachivers.

Our te's were unhealthy most of the season

our o-line was nowhere near 50% much less 100%

d-line had to be on of the worst in all of nfl last year



so umm yeah big bad cutler had much much much more to put up with than VY did overall full team around.
 

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Russell might get invited to the pro-bowl as an "alternate" too....

As for the rookie of the year we all know that Maurice Jones-Drew got robbed.

But for a pro-bowl/roy qb to throw 9 TD's and 17 Int's in his second season is pretty bad then right? He couldn't even throw a TD pass against SD... so much for coming through in the clutch huh... If Lendale and Vince Young are so deep then please explain why your squad only put up 6 points? Injuries are a part of football so miss me with BS excuses. Your offensive players are overrated.

I am done with talking about your Titans... you think they're too good. Defensively yes... but their offense is hoot!

Back to Raider football!
 

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???????

rod smith hasn't been healthy since cutler has been playing.

Our running game was not anything special last year.

overall our d was shit, and our oline was shit..so to say Denver was better in eveything other than run d is 100% completely FALSE!

Javon was hurt so basically all we had was marshall as the rest of our wr's were unproven or underachivers.

Our te's were unhealthy most of the season

our o-line was nowhere near 50% much less 100%

d-line had to be on of the worst in all of nfl last year



so umm yeah big bad cutler had much much much more to put up with than VY did overall full team around.
Jay Cutler is and will be the better NFL quarterback because he has an NFL arm and can make NFL throws. As is the same with Russell. Can't say the same for Vince... defenses are beginning to play against him like he's Mike Vick. Keep him bottled up in the pocket because he can't beat you with his arm.