Im from Pueblo Colorado no were near northern cali. Pueblo is over run by surs. But i gotta say i think norte music is better. I dont got any problems with any surs. Some of my family bangs sur. Ive never been punked by a sureno and to tell you the truth i never even heard of a norteno till about 4 years ago and even then i thought they were bloods. I am tottaly impartial here. I dont know if they are sur's or not but them cats that rap with Doomsday productions are tight. I like Woodie and them cats that are with Killa Vally and i bought Big Oso's mixtape.