No Country for Old Men (movie)

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“There Will Be Blood” should have been Best Picture easily. I found it superior to No Country For Old Men in EVERY aspect. Acting, Cinematography, Score, Plot, Pace, etc, etc, etc.
 
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what movie deserved best picture, iyo?
Not No Country....thats for sure!

2007 was pretty weak for films:
There will be blood
No country for old men
Assassination of Jesse James
I disagree...there were some great movies that didnt even GET nominations, but that is neither here nor there...

But all three were very dark and almost nihilistic - they lacked any real substance or point to the films. Definitely a theme of this years films.
There Will be Blood and Assassination of Jesse James (and i havent even SEEN these yet) BOTH have a plot and substance...No Country does NOT.

Only other films worth mentioning were Michael Clayton and 3:10 to Yuma, neither I think were better than the three I listed.
3:10 was an awful movie and I still have yet and want to see Michael Clayton.

So, I guess I don't understand why the movie had "no business" winning the award with such a sub-par year in movies. Only a personal opinion on which top movie should have won (swap There will be blood with No Country, for instance).
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I thought the story was extremely hollow and thin...but maybe that is what they wanted. There was no back story and we all just get thrown into this week (time frame?) long excursion of someone chasing someone else for some unkown reason.

Also, Woody Harelson's character was extremely unecassary (what a waste of a cameo), Tommy Lee Jones' involvment seemed so far removed from the actual plot that he pretty much became irrelevent, even though they attempted to make him a centerpeice of the story, and the main antagonist was too emotionless, almost to the point that I thought he was autistic the first 10 minutes he was on screen.

There was no/little score or soundtrack that i can recall...which isnt necassairly a bad thing, but it made the movie seem very light....no weight to it.

The direction was very atypical of the Coen's...it was drier than anything I have seen them do. It was almost Cronenberg-esque. Again, not necassarily bad, but this is the Coen's, NOT Cronenberg.

However, the assassin WAS awesome, even though we had no idea what his tie was to ANY of the story. They should have made a movie about him instead.

Youre right, it IS all opinion and award shows are usually gay anyways...i could care less who won what, really...as long as I enjoyed the flick. I did NOT enjoy No Country, point blank.
 
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#84
I disagree...there were some great movies that didnt even GET nominations, but that is neither here nor there...
Like what??

There Will be Blood and Assassination of Jesse James (and i havent even SEEN these yet) BOTH have a plot and substance...No Country does NOT.
You should probably see them before making comments on their plots. There Will be blood is very similar to No Country, in the sense that it's almost nihilistic and at the end of the film, you'll ask yourself, "what was the point of the movie?"

Assassination of Jesse James is about the story of his life, and his assassin, so in that sense it does have a plot, but the director didn't really try to make much of a point or leave you really thinking about anything. Not nearly as much as No Country/There will be blood, though (I also think Assassination of Jesse James was the best movie of the year).

3:10 was an awful movie and I still have yet and want to see Michael Clayton.
Michael Clayton wasn't all that great so you're not missing much.


Youre right, it IS all opinion and award shows are usually gay anyways...i could care less who won what, really...as long as I enjoyed the flick. I did NOT enjoy No Country, point blank.
It's just something to talk about comrade, I'm just curious as to what you though deserved the award, that's all.
 
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I liked Juno more than No Country, and I still wasnt even really into that one. I thought it deserved more than what it got, however.

You should probably see them before making comments on their plots. There Will be blood is very similar to No Country, in the sense that it's almost nihilistic and at the end of the film, you'll ask yourself, "what was the point of the movie?"
Agreed.

Assassination of Jesse James is about the story of his life, and his assassin, so in that sense it does have a plot, but the director didn't really try to make much of a point or leave you really thinking about anything. Not nearly as much as No Country/There will be blood, though (I also think Assassination of Jesse James was the best movie of the year).
I mean, the title pretty much gives the movie away plot wise...

Michael Clayton wasn't all that great so you're not missing much.
I am partial to Clooney as an actor, so hopefully it is better than you say...

It's just something to talk about comrade, I'm just curious as to what you though deserved the award, that's all.
Of course...I am not saying that youre less than a human being for liking No Country, it just wasnt my cup of tea. It was espacially disappointing that it was a Coen brothers movie, of which I own many of...this one I will not be buying.
 
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Oh, and an interesting note about There Will Be Blood, is the movie is based loosely on the 1927 novel, Oil!, by Upton Sinclair. Sinclair was a socialist and there is a socialist theme throughout the book (for instance one of the young boys that discovers oil on his fathers land, later goes on to become a militant labor activist and a member of the early Communist Party and a political martyr, killed by a right-wing mob), whereas the movie only stays somewhat true to the novel for the first couple hundred pages or so, then everything takes a turn for the worst and the director completely changes the story to fit his own world view, which again is very nihilistic and there is no socialist message whatsoever in the film.

Another example of Hollywood fucking up a good story. However I did really like the film, it's unique in its own way, but I wonder how much better it could have been if it remained true to the novel.

It just seems that there are so many "pointless movies" these days, even for the big time Oscar winners.
 
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There a very few book-to-movies's that actually stay even 85% true to the orginally source. They have to sell tickets to everyone, and that is the problem. Look at 300...there was no side story in the graphical novel, yet they need the women to go to the movie WITH the men....

Sin City did a fantastic job of sticking to the script, however. Pun intended.
 

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saw No Country for Old Men a while back.....dope movie along with

-Micheal Clayton
-Assassination of Jesse James
-Gone Baby Gone
-3:10 To Yuma
-Bourne Ultimatum
-The Kingdom
-Charlie Wilson's War
-Juno
-The Hunting Party
-Super Bad
-Sunshine(thriller)
-The Aura(foreign drama)
-Nine Queens(foreign thriller)
-District B13(action)
-Fraticide(foreign drama)
-This Is England(drama)
-Rise of the Footsoldier(drama)
-Dead Man's Shoes(drama/thriller)
-Perfume: Story of a Murder(thriller)
-Fracture(drama)
-Trade(drama)
-Ghosts de Soleil(doc.)
-Mr. Brooks(thriller)
-Pride(drama)
-The Prestige(thriller)
-Wonderland(drama)
-The Usual Suspects(finally saw it).


since i've had plenty of time to spare and the weather has been shitty i've been catching up on older titles and new releases the last couple of months. Been getting into foreign films a lot lately....most of 'em are hit or miss though.

can't wait to watch There Will Be Blood & Rambo in the next couple of days.
 

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i liked no country, but MR. BROOKS was hands down better than any movie even nominated for the award. i thought that was costners best movie to date.
 
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i liked no country, but MR. BROOKS was hands down better than any movie even nominated for the award. i thought that was costners best movie to date.
Any movies with Dane Cook and/or a "wake up and whew it was all a dream" scene a la "Dallas" are automatically disqualified.
 
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Oh, and an interesting note about There Will Be Blood, is the movie is based loosely on the 1927 novel, Oil!, by Upton Sinclair.
Though the movie drew more from the life of Edward L. Doheny than the book Oil. From mention of Dohney's home town up to the use of his actual home in the film.
 

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it was better than no country for old men, by far. but thats my opinion. youre entitled to yours. and if you think robin hood or the bodyguard were better movies then thats your opinion and youre welcome to it.
 

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i didnt say it was the best movie of the year. i said BETTER THAN THOSE NOMINATED. sorry for your lack of reading comprehension.