Multis - check it
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Twiztid featuring Krizz Kaliko, Prozak and Tech N9ne
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Project Deadman featuring Tech N9ne
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Project Deadman featuring King Gordy and Tech N9ne
All of which could be correct.
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Project Deadman featuring Tech N9ne
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Project Deadman featuring King Gordy and Tech N9ne
All of which could be correct.
OK... I think there's a few people here confused on what constitutues a solid rhyme pattern and use of multis, so I'll throw in my two cents...
I think the main thing with multis that you wanna look for is complexity while maintaining a sense of purpose...
Example #1: This is something Tech and many other rappers fall into every so often with their rhymes. Using simplistic words too often in creating multis is usually the sign of a beginning writer, but is also often a sign of laziness in those who have credible writing talent but fall into that trap.
The example of Tech where he spits the rhyme "lyrical scripts / miracle whipped"... because lyrical / miracle is one of the oldest, most often used rhymes in hip-hop, I wouldn't for one second consider that a quality example to give to somebody who isn't familiar with Tech's work in trying to make a case for his multis being some of the best... however, the example "ghost stories / vote for me," being only 3 syllables compared to 4 for "lyrical scripts / miracle whipped," is actually a better example because Tech switched it up and didn't rely on simplistic rhymes.
Example #2: Relying on a suffix too often in a multisyllablic rhyme pattern detracts from the complexity and creates a monotonous rhyme. This is something Tech doesn't do too often, but alot of rappers do. For example, a rhyme like "blastin technicians / trackin my missions"... stuff like that, shit that relies upon a suffix to hold together the multisyllable scheme, is shit that I toss to the side with a grain of salt because it's way too simplistic...
I also found this interesting:
I have to toss most of this to the side when it comes to multis because it's two-syllable rhyming with simplistic words... however, "chick give me cerebellum / tripped than you better tell him" is solid... careful when pointing out rhymes where alot of the same words are used to complete a multi, that's also a sign of laziness... When I see consistent use of at least three-syllable multis throughout a rhyme that's not too simplistic, I consider it a solid rhyme scheme... but when you can combine 6, 7, even 8 syllables and have it sound legitimate and not nonsensical, you've got something special... anybody can do it, it just takes some practice... example, here's an excerpt from a weed song I did 8 years ago:
Packin-a-bowl-of-that-nuggety-shit while I'm laughin-and-rollin-another-to-hit// in my class-twelve-years-old-I-was-already-ripped// lookin mashed-I-was-totally-under-the-in-fluence...
combining 10-syllable multis in a pattern while not sacrificing content... yeah it's not the deepest rhyme in the world, but it doesn't have to be, it's about weed... the pattern and complexity of the rhyme scheme makes up for the subject matter being one of the most common things in hip-hop...
So yeah, Tech is someone who I consider, on an overall level, to have a better grasp on constructing a dope rhyme scheme than most other rappers... I just think if you're going to point out some of his best, do him justice and don't point out shit that's just average.
I think the main thing with multis that you wanna look for is complexity while maintaining a sense of purpose...
Example #1: This is something Tech and many other rappers fall into every so often with their rhymes. Using simplistic words too often in creating multis is usually the sign of a beginning writer, but is also often a sign of laziness in those who have credible writing talent but fall into that trap.
The example of Tech where he spits the rhyme "lyrical scripts / miracle whipped"... because lyrical / miracle is one of the oldest, most often used rhymes in hip-hop, I wouldn't for one second consider that a quality example to give to somebody who isn't familiar with Tech's work in trying to make a case for his multis being some of the best... however, the example "ghost stories / vote for me," being only 3 syllables compared to 4 for "lyrical scripts / miracle whipped," is actually a better example because Tech switched it up and didn't rely on simplistic rhymes.
Example #2: Relying on a suffix too often in a multisyllablic rhyme pattern detracts from the complexity and creates a monotonous rhyme. This is something Tech doesn't do too often, but alot of rappers do. For example, a rhyme like "blastin technicians / trackin my missions"... stuff like that, shit that relies upon a suffix to hold together the multisyllable scheme, is shit that I toss to the side with a grain of salt because it's way too simplistic...
I also found this interesting:
I have to toss most of this to the side when it comes to multis because it's two-syllable rhyming with simplistic words... however, "chick give me cerebellum / tripped than you better tell him" is solid... careful when pointing out rhymes where alot of the same words are used to complete a multi, that's also a sign of laziness... When I see consistent use of at least three-syllable multis throughout a rhyme that's not too simplistic, I consider it a solid rhyme scheme... but when you can combine 6, 7, even 8 syllables and have it sound legitimate and not nonsensical, you've got something special... anybody can do it, it just takes some practice... example, here's an excerpt from a weed song I did 8 years ago:
Packin-a-bowl-of-that-nuggety-shit while I'm laughin-and-rollin-another-to-hit// in my class-twelve-years-old-I-was-already-ripped// lookin mashed-I-was-totally-under-the-in-fluence...
combining 10-syllable multis in a pattern while not sacrificing content... yeah it's not the deepest rhyme in the world, but it doesn't have to be, it's about weed... the pattern and complexity of the rhyme scheme makes up for the subject matter being one of the most common things in hip-hop...
So yeah, Tech is someone who I consider, on an overall level, to have a better grasp on constructing a dope rhyme scheme than most other rappers... I just think if you're going to point out some of his best, do him justice and don't point out shit that's just average.
OK... I think there's a few people here confused on what constitutues a solid rhyme pattern and use of multis, so I'll throw in my two cents...
I think the main thing with multis that you wanna look for is complexity while maintaining a sense of purpose...
Example #1: This is something Tech and many other rappers fall into every so often with their rhymes. Using simplistic words too often in creating multis is usually the sign of a beginning writer, but is also often a sign of laziness in those who have credible writing talent but fall into that trap.
The example of Tech where he spits the rhyme "lyrical scripts / miracle whipped"... because lyrical / miracle is one of the oldest, most often used rhymes in hip-hop, I wouldn't for one second consider that a quality example to give to somebody who isn't familiar with Tech's work in trying to make a case for his multis being some of the best... however, the example "ghost stories / vote for me," being only 3 syllables compared to 4 for "lyrical scripts / miracle whipped," is actually a better example because Tech switched it up and didn't rely on simplistic rhymes.
Example #2: Relying on a suffix too often in a multisyllablic rhyme pattern detracts from the complexity and creates a monotonous rhyme. This is something Tech doesn't do too often, but alot of rappers do. For example, a rhyme like "blastin technicians / trackin my missions"... stuff like that, shit that relies upon a suffix to hold together the multisyllable scheme, is shit that I toss to the side with a grain of salt because it's way too simplistic...
I also found this interesting:
I have to toss most of this to the side when it comes to multis because it's two-syllable rhyming with simplistic words... however, "chick give me cerebellum / tripped than you better tell him" is solid... careful when pointing out rhymes where alot of the same words are used to complete a multi, that's also a sign of laziness... When I see consistent use of at least three-syllable multis throughout a rhyme that's not too simplistic, I consider it a solid rhyme scheme... but when you can combine 6, 7, even 8 syllables and have it sound legitimate and not nonsensical, you've got something special... anybody can do it, it just takes some practice... example, here's an excerpt from a weed song I did 8 years ago:
Packin-a-bowl-of-that-nuggety-shit while I'm laughin-and-rollin-another-to-hit// in my class-twelve-years-old-I-was-already-ripped// lookin mashed-I-was-totally-under-the-in-fluence...
combining 10-syllable multis in a pattern while not sacrificing content... yeah it's not the deepest rhyme in the world, but it doesn't have to be, it's about weed... the pattern and complexity of the rhyme scheme makes up for the subject matter being one of the most common things in hip-hop...
So yeah, Tech is someone who I consider, on an overall level, to have a better grasp on constructing a dope rhyme scheme than most other rappers... I just think if you're going to point out some of his best, do him justice and don't point out shit that's just average.
I think the main thing with multis that you wanna look for is complexity while maintaining a sense of purpose...
Example #1: This is something Tech and many other rappers fall into every so often with their rhymes. Using simplistic words too often in creating multis is usually the sign of a beginning writer, but is also often a sign of laziness in those who have credible writing talent but fall into that trap.
The example of Tech where he spits the rhyme "lyrical scripts / miracle whipped"... because lyrical / miracle is one of the oldest, most often used rhymes in hip-hop, I wouldn't for one second consider that a quality example to give to somebody who isn't familiar with Tech's work in trying to make a case for his multis being some of the best... however, the example "ghost stories / vote for me," being only 3 syllables compared to 4 for "lyrical scripts / miracle whipped," is actually a better example because Tech switched it up and didn't rely on simplistic rhymes.
Example #2: Relying on a suffix too often in a multisyllablic rhyme pattern detracts from the complexity and creates a monotonous rhyme. This is something Tech doesn't do too often, but alot of rappers do. For example, a rhyme like "blastin technicians / trackin my missions"... stuff like that, shit that relies upon a suffix to hold together the multisyllable scheme, is shit that I toss to the side with a grain of salt because it's way too simplistic...
I also found this interesting:
I have to toss most of this to the side when it comes to multis because it's two-syllable rhyming with simplistic words... however, "chick give me cerebellum / tripped than you better tell him" is solid... careful when pointing out rhymes where alot of the same words are used to complete a multi, that's also a sign of laziness... When I see consistent use of at least three-syllable multis throughout a rhyme that's not too simplistic, I consider it a solid rhyme scheme... but when you can combine 6, 7, even 8 syllables and have it sound legitimate and not nonsensical, you've got something special... anybody can do it, it just takes some practice... example, here's an excerpt from a weed song I did 8 years ago:
Packin-a-bowl-of-that-nuggety-shit while I'm laughin-and-rollin-another-to-hit// in my class-twelve-years-old-I-was-already-ripped// lookin mashed-I-was-totally-under-the-in-fluence...
combining 10-syllable multis in a pattern while not sacrificing content... yeah it's not the deepest rhyme in the world, but it doesn't have to be, it's about weed... the pattern and complexity of the rhyme scheme makes up for the subject matter being one of the most common things in hip-hop...
So yeah, Tech is someone who I consider, on an overall level, to have a better grasp on constructing a dope rhyme scheme than most other rappers... I just think if you're going to point out some of his best, do him justice and don't point out shit that's just average.
question though, for your example number #2 when you say relying upon a suffix..
"blastin technicians / trackin my missions"...
would MY be the suffix, is this what you mean?
What comes to ming right away (probably because I've been listenin to Killer more than any other Tech shit lately) is:
That's good shit right there... 4-6-4-6 pattern, and of course he made it sound dope
the verse Poisoned Yam, I mean Deadly Potato posted from "Breathe" was solid too... consistent 3 syllable pattern and not overly simplistic...
there's others I can't think of right now, but yeah that shit from Crybaby, as of right now, is what stands out to me as the best example of Tech's multi usage (even tho he used "stop" twice, lol)
That's good shit right there... 4-6-4-6 pattern, and of course he made it sound dope
the verse Poisoned Yam, I mean Deadly Potato posted from "Breathe" was solid too... consistent 3 syllable pattern and not overly simplistic...
there's others I can't think of right now, but yeah that shit from Crybaby, as of right now, is what stands out to me as the best example of Tech's multi usage (even tho he used "stop" twice, lol)
To expand on what Nebulizah said, I think part of what usually constitutes a good multi is breaking the rhyming syllable into a different number of words. ie gory sight, story might would be better as gory night/ pour me ice. Those are poor examples, but when the words are phonetically rhyming, but not in a written sense. Anybody can paste similar words together, but to stretch rhyming syllables into a separate verbal structure while maintaining the integrity of the rhyme itself is more impressive.
He cited my example of multies as poor, and I must concede to his point. It was one of those verses where when you go back and look at it, it wasn't quite as dope as you remember it sounding. lol Tech is one of those rappers that often sound better than their verses look. Some are the opposite, like King Gordy imo.
He cited my example of multies as poor, and I must concede to his point. It was one of those verses where when you go back and look at it, it wasn't quite as dope as you remember it sounding. lol Tech is one of those rappers that often sound better than their verses look. Some are the opposite, like King Gordy imo.
I feel ya, I think its the way tech emphasizes his rhymes or the way he spits them that make his multis stand out to me more than others perhaps, It just seems to me he is consistently throwing them in as opposed to other rappers
I really don't know about calling tech lazy with his rhymes though, because the way he actually spits them and the energy behind him usually says more than the words themselves which is something I've always kinda liked, does that make any sense?
However, I completely agree with you that only a handful of people really get lyrics. I've only begun to scratch the surface on understanding rhyme schemes and the works, but I've made an effort. The majority of rap fans are simply listening to words on a beat and don't really analyze the set-up of it all... Sometimes when something is really complex it goes right over their head when I'm like "holy shit, did you hear that??"
I really don't know about calling tech lazy with his rhymes though, because the way he actually spits them and the energy behind him usually says more than the words themselves which is something I've always kinda liked, does that make any sense?
However, I completely agree with you that only a handful of people really get lyrics. I've only begun to scratch the surface on understanding rhyme schemes and the works, but I've made an effort. The majority of rap fans are simply listening to words on a beat and don't really analyze the set-up of it all... Sometimes when something is really complex it goes right over their head when I'm like "holy shit, did you hear that??"