Mixtape Question...DJs or Anyone

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Dana Dane

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When I first noticed people in the Bay puttin out mixtapes, it would be the rapper and people affiliated with their Camp rappin over industry beats, maybe with a few drops in there. Some were sold, some givin away as promo. Now, I am seeing a lot of Bay Area DJs putting out mixtapes that are basically taking all of the hot songs right now, mixin em a little bit, throwin a few drops and their tags over em, and sellin them. Even if the mixtape is only sellin for between 5-10 dollars, and after pressin them and shit, the DJ is only makin 2 or 3 dollars per unit, how is this right?? There are artists I fuck with who's songs are poppin up on mixtapes without their consent, and another artists I know who specifically asked a DJ not to put a song on a mixtape, and it was put on there anyways. Can someone please explain to me the purpose of these mixtapes without gettin hella hyphy on me, cuz I am really confused right now.

There will be one specific DJ I know who might think this is directed at him, and we also have touched on this topic a few times, but this thread is not meant to be a personal attack on anyone. I am just tryin to see what everyone else thinks and hopefully get a better understanding.
 
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Great thread Dana. I’d like to see what people have to say on this topic as well. I know people have strong feelings about this topic and I’ve had a few of the same questions that Dana posted above. The mixtape scene in the Bay is a completely different dynamic than it is in New York so I just think it would be interesting to see what people have to say on the subject. Be easy folks…lol
 
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I agree with you. There has to be some limits.

I have access to pretty much every Bay song that comes out, but I'm not going to make mixtapes and profit off their work. I will help promote the artist on air or in the clubs as best I can, if I like the songs, but I will not attempt to profit off of their labor. If I were to work WITH an artist to craft a mixtape, solely for the purpose of promotion, then that mixtape would be given away, as promotion, and not sold.
 
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well

the whole mixtape thing is supposta be stuff that a artist gives to the dj they self hand to hand....that way people can only get that song on that mixtape it aint on like 5 diffrent mixtapes..ive done ny mixtapes and shit is diffrent from alot of stuff going on out here in the bay..but there are also dj that are doing it right and are doing it the way it is supposta be....the only time you should have old stuff or stuff thats been out is if your doing a best of mixtape or a r.i.p mixtape for and artist..........only mixtape dj that ive delt with in the bay area is djrah2k and i always give him my shit in person..

it can also be cats from the artist camp that think there doing something good and they just shooting songs to djz or studio cats slanging song for a quick buck...themixtape is a great promo tool if it is used right......

my 2 cents
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DJ Mark 7

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ScottFoxKMEL said:
I agree with you. There has to be some limits.

I have access to pretty much every Bay song that comes out, but I'm not going to make mixtapes and profit off their work. I will help promote the artist on air or in the clubs as best I can, if I like the songs, but I will not attempt to profit off of their labor. If I were to work WITH an artist to craft a mixtape, solely for the purpose of promotion, then that mixtape would be given away, as promotion, and not sold.
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PERFECTLY said....I got a mixtape at an event a few weeks ago that had 4 Team songs and 4 Mac Dre songs on it...LOL now I DARE anyone to say I haven't paid my dues in the DJ/Music game and I would never even THINK of doin that shit! The mixtapes I have sold in the past contained music from all coasts and the Bay songs that may have been on there I asked PERMISSION from the artist...If they weren't cool with it, it didn't go on the tape PERIOD. Hell it was only like a year ago that DJs in the Bay were getting threatened by certain artists if their song showed up on a mixtape....

Any PURE BAY mix that you've ever seen me do, it was available for FREE on the net...I wasn't tryin to profit off it. Our scene is still strugglin and I see this as settin us WAY back.

That being said, lemme point out a certain DJ on this site....Rah 2K is doin things DIFFERENT....His tapes have exclusive freestyles/diss tracks and other shit...So this ain't aimed at homeboy...Me an him have talked about this same topic so don't get it twisted...

Matter of fact it ain't aimed at anyone in particular....Just speakin my mind on a subject I think I'm MORE than qualified to speak on.

pe@ce,
Mark
 
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Off topic but i just wanted to say scottyfox u did ur thang last night at the concert with all them old school jams. Back on topic yea i really like how Rah2k doin his thang i feel thats what the mixtape game is about keep it up pimpin.
 
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see..to me..what rah2k is doin is GREAT.. through the freestyles and building a mixtape WITH that artist..that is great promotion.That is what mixtapes are for.
Taking an artist's already-established "hot song" and just selling it before it comes out on their album or even after its out is the kinda of practice that is hurting the artist. That is not promotion.
 
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Its called promotion...If local artists don't like it they should find a different way of gettin new fans....


ain't no underground artist losing money by me hearing one of their cuts for the first time. it dont matter if your joe blow or 50 Cent, if your songs are out there let them be heard. unless cats are bootleggin your ENTIRE ALBUM, i don't see how it will hurt you
 
Boogie The Mann

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My idea of a mixtape is gettin Industry beats and lacin them with my own flows.Mixed in with some original beats.The mixtape could be an introduction to the artist before an album is dropped so the people can get an idea of who the artist is and what the artist sounds like.Maybe a remix of a song for the album can be found on a mixtape and only on the mixtape making the mixtape "Special".....Thats what I feel a mixtape should be.....Oh yah..plus some freestyles.Mr. Kee has full songs over industry beats as well as those 2 PSD mix tapes.....PSD was free online and I think Mr.Kee you have to buy.But regardless the music was great...My question is how do people feel bout an underground artist taking industry beats,puttin vocals on them and sellin the mixtape?
 
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i agree there has to be limits at least try and contact the artists like mark said and if they say no then dont put it on i dont really call them mixtapes anymore they are albums or compilations in my eyes but its good to have guys like scotty and mark who luv the music and uderstand the promotion bizz and that type of attitude prolly makes more artists willing to work with them and thats just good bizzness pz
 
Dana Dane

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cHeWdOGG said:
Its called promotion...If local artists don't like it they should find a different way of gettin new fans....


ain't no underground artist losing money by me hearing one of their cuts for the first time. it dont matter if your joe blow or 50 Cent, if your songs are out there let them be heard. unless cats are bootleggin your ENTIRE ALBUM, i don't see how it will hurt you
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OK. I have seen "Money Is Motive' by the Cutthoat Committee on at leaset 3 different mixtape tracklistings in the last few weeks. To my knowledge, the only version of that song floating around is the radio edit. We are being REALLY stingy with the unedited version, and if someone did get it, it was ripped (WITHOUT PERMISSION) from PSD's myspace page. No one has contacted us to ask if this song could be used, because they would be turned down. The Committee is not tryin to hand out songs like that, and if a song WAS requested, most likely, they would supply the DJ with an exclusive. How can these artists "find a different way to gain new fans" if they are not even given a choice as to whether or not the song appears on the mixtape in the first place.

Say DJ So and So puts out a mixtape with 2 songs off Da US Open. The response to "Why do you feel justified in puttin that song on there?" is gonna be 'Its Promotion". Who made it a DJs job to promote for an artist that hasn't asked for the help? Its kinda like a forced promotions agreement. I am gonna promote this album for you, and instead of you paying me, I will just get paid by selling the mixtape. Artists have no choice. In New York, (Since a lot of mixtape DJs compare themselves to NY DJs) you know which artists fuck with which DJs and you know that the majority of the DJs who put out mixtapes have relationships with the artists. Here, any random DJ can make a mixtape, and (if people are lookin at mixtapes in the bay the same as NY mixtapes) the average listener is going to assume that the DJ has a relationship with the DJ, which will garner the DJ a certain amount of respect, falsely.
 
dj pimp

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as someone who's deep in the new york mix tape scene, i'll let you know how shit works out here. most these cats out here, kay slay, clue, big mike, and so on, make their cd's up of freestyles, hot songs and or exclusives, thats why they shout out all over their trax so other dj's cant snatch their shit. as far as sellin em, i have never seen or heard of a well known dj out here sellin mix tapes. they throw that shit to the bootleggers in chinatown and in harlem for free, and them shits are in every corner of nyc within a day. kay slay and clue are the 2 biggest mixtape kings out here and you will never hear them say that they have ever sold one. (that would be foolish) so you may ask, what do they get out of it, they get to be household names and as ya rep grows, you start getting all them hot exclusives and jobs at radio stations... kay slay, clue and funk flex have also released real mix tape releases in stores on the strength of their fan base. mix tapes in nyc can be bought at most spots for a dollar (thats right, 1 dollar) tourist still get got for 5 bucks though. now with the internet and cd burners everyone with morpheus can make mix tapes. is it fair to the artist, sometimes and sometimes not. just ask 50 cent who was a nobody even in his own hood just a few years ago, untill he started hittin the mix tape scene, then his shit blew up just like cassidy, lloyd banks, papoose, juelz santana and anyone else whos come up in the last year or so in nyc. aint nobody burst on the scene out here without mixtapes... now the bay is startin to buzz with some of the mixtape cats like balance and others. some are pretty good and some are wack, you have to decide if you're gonna support it or not. if someone puts out a mixtape with san quinn on it and it also has frontline or psd, then someone might buy that cd for the quinn track and end up lovin psd and goes to buy psd shit. thats how its supposed to work. i've put out over 50 mix cd's in nyc, many times artists hit me with trax, many times i throw their shit on without their knowlege. i aint never had anyone say shit to me, and they all know me out here. i dont talk on my trax ever. no shout outs, nothin...
the bottom line is the song belongs to the artist and or the record company. but in the bay most of the people who put out mixtapes sell them themselves. ya'll have bootleggers too, but nothin like nyc. there is just no way to make money out here in the mixtape game. believe me i wish there was. i can tell you this much, the mix tape scene is gonna get 100 times bigger in the bay in the next year or so...
 
dj pimp

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when assassin came out here to nyc a few weeks ago, the first thing he did was hit chinatown with me and my homie kyle riffkin. assassin gave his fillmore to san jo cd to the biggest bootleggers in nyc. within 3 days, i saw his shit for sale in the bronx, queens and harlem. i'm sure its all over brooklyn as well. assassin told me he's been gettin hits on his website like crazy from peeps who picked up his shit out here in nyc. he opened up a whole new market for himself in the ny mixtape scene and he lost no money in the process, so there's one example of how the mixtapes can work for an artist..
 
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dj pimp give me yor address, cause i love new york bootleggers,ill send you the mixtapes i need sum new bootleg buzz in new york...........
 
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DJRAH2K

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Drizzle said:
Back on topic yea i really like how Rah2k doin his thang i feel thats what the mixtape game is about keep it up pimpin.
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^^^no dout" good lookin..
 
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ScottFoxKMEL said:
see..to me..what rah2k is doin is GREAT.. through the freestyles and building a mixtape WITH that artist..that is great promotion.That is what mixtapes are for.
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^^^good looking scotty!
and i have seen sum of your mixtapes for sale
and i supported it......(bought it)
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Da6Footah said:
There will be one specific DJ I know who might think this is directed at him, and we also have touched on this topic a few times, but this thread is not meant to be a personal attack on anyone. I am just tryin to see what everyone else thinks and hopefully get a better understanding.
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^^^lol im not mad......its nuthin,i hope u dont take what i say the wrong way,but whether or not anyone like what i do on my mixtapes,im keep doing it,ima b in (vallejo)im getting sum exclusives from you know who ...................and i want the unedited version (money is motive)......am im not stealing it for any1s website or mixtape.....i want to og version......



and i gotta go to class b back later







this is a good thread good job """pinky"""
 
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