I'm tired comrade, so please excuse any typos...
I think you left out a part, and to be honest it was the most important part of what you are responding to. I said, "The u.s. has tried to kill many presidents/leaders (Castro), but do you see really strong support? If so are they actually doing something to support? Meaning are they FIGHTING BACK? Nope." I am not talking about protests. When I say fighting back I literally mean FIGHTING BACK. How many countries do you see doing this?
No, I didn’t leave that part out. “Fighting back” can mean many different things comrade. Mass movements are a form of fighting back and have overthrown governments, without the use of physically fighting your enemy (such as the overthrowing governments of Bolivia, and Colonel Lucio Gutiérrez in Ecuador, who was overthrown by a mass movement of workers, peasants and indigenous peoples in 2005 – the third president to be overthrown by a mass uprising in Ecuador since 1996). When a movement gets so big, the ruling class has little they can do, since the police/military often times get involved in the movement themselves, and/or will refuse to fire and kill on innocent unarmed men and women (after all, their brothers and sisters may be in the crowd). There have been countless examples of this all over the world. This IS a form of fighting the oppressors/imperialism/etc.
Easy, supply and demand. America has a supply and demand for the goods and oil. The countries you named have an increase of demand, but their current or even long term demands are nowhere near the demands of america. Yes, mexico could supply oil to latin american countries but at what price? Also, how would they trade with these other countries if their currency is not worth as much as the dollar?
Sure, why not? If a new form of government does seize power, why assume they will only be concerned with maximizing profit? Venezuela and Bolivia are two examples I can think of off the top of my head that are more concerned with the welfare of their people then with the almighty dollar.
With that being said, how can one logically assume that knowledge of a american foreign policy would give insight to alleged terrorists attacks, but deny knowledge of basic CFR policy, and make the claim that a unified state won't happen?
By simply analyzing and understanding the political consciousness of Latin Amerika and what recent events signify and what the future likely has to store, which is what I’m doing. I’m saying that yes, the CFR does want to implement this but it either A). will be stopped by massive movements in L. Amerika, or B). It will be implemented for a short time before eventually being sacked do to massive uprisings in L. Amerika. I have came to these conclusions by my understanding of the political consousness in Latin Amerika and their desire to rid themselves of US and other foreign oppression.
Ok, so we have established that most of these countries owe money
Yep, and I’ve established that there is a new resistance to these policies.
Now, how are these countries going to defend themselves against acts of WAR commited by those they are in debt to? How are these countries going to defend themselves against ECONOMIC WAR if their currency is refused OR if they have sanctions placed on them?
By having an alliance with other Latin Amerikan countries and creating their own trading blocs (as I have mentioned).
Just because the "good ole boys" haven't crushed them yet that doesn't mean they are not going to do it.
They can try to crush them economically, but the days of using force in Latin Amerika are over. An invasion of any latin amerikan country would rapidly ignite south America into a state of revolution. Not to mention, certain countries, like Venezuela, have been building up their military (recently purchased 100,000 AK’s from Russia, fighter jets, boats, helicopters, etc., promoting and arming civil militias that is estimated over 2m people, creating advanced tunnel systems similar to that of Vietnam, etc.)
See the above, and I totally disagree with you. The CFR does have a choice; look at Iraq.
See above, would be suicide.
The indigenous population is becoming politically active?
Very much so. See Bolivia and the newly elected Indigenous president and how the indigenous people overthrew multiple governments prior to Morales. See Venezuela and their indigenous president. Both are considered heroes throughout all of L. Amerika.
They want to want to control their land and get back what they lost from their rich oppressors?
Very much so. See the hundreds of examples of Indigenous peoples taking over land and factories in Venezuela, Argentina, Bolivia, Columbia, Guatemala, Brazil, Honduras, Chile, and others.
Go to that 400 year thread and read all my posts about the indigenous people in latin america and make sure you read those links. THEY ARE BEING MISTREATED BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
Throughout ALL of Latin Amerika comrade?
Are the indigenous people not more politically active ever before?
They aren't out protesting the CFR and trying to combat them and why should they when their own people are discriminating against them because of economic class and coloration?
Hmm, interesting. I can spend an hour of my time if you’d like and literally link you to dozens upon dozens of links about indigenous people throughout all of latin amerika, actively fighting for land, protesting, marching, taking over factories and running them on their own, working with other organizations, etc. Where you got the idea that they aren’t out fighting free trade/globalization/etc. is beyond me.
Yes, it’s true that the economic class system discriminates against them (capitalism), and the European looking South Amerikans are benefiting from the very system, which is exactly what their fighting against! (Socialism)
What you simply have is poor people being shafted by semi rich/rich people and rich/ELITE people trying to grasp TOTAL control of the people/situation/economy.
Exactly. This is the story for much of the planet and has been for ages. What I’m telling you, is there has been a massive shift in Latin amerika and the people are fighting against their capitalist oppressors and beginning to demand new forms of goverment.
You call buying the debt pimp slapping?
In a way, yes, because they do NOT want countries out of debt. The whole purpose of “lending” these countries money is so that they will STAY in debt and thus are forced to abide by their strict rules and obligations and to allow foreign investors/companies into their countries to suck their resources dry.
What would be pimp slapping is a country basically saying "fuck you we aren't paying shit....EVER.
I agree, that would be pimpish and that is the goal. But it would not be wise until you have an alliance and a strong enough movement to back you (in case of sanctions, military intervention, etc.).
Also, you can't rule out the militias and citizens who oppose illegal immigration and will ACTIVELY partake in deportation if the government allows it.
I think that’s a pretty small percentage of people.
Not so, and here is why. The mexican government has already stated that chips would be a GOOD thing for immigration control.
Yes, the Current government of Mexico. Again, we’ll have to see (the polls just closed, btw).
Also, huge opposition means NOTHING if those who are opposing do not have the FINANCES to oppose the opposition.
Not necessarily true. There have been a number of revolutions across the globe that had no where near the funding of the opposition and won.
This is america and human rights will go out the window in order to protect you from "terrorism" and threats. Look at 9-11 and the laws that have been made as a result. In fact, the current war in itself is a human rights violaton but has anything changed?
Not yet.
People didn't think the Iraq war was plausible or likely to happen either.
Only people that have no interest or knowledge in foreign policy. It’s been known for years that the US always wanted Iraq, but never could because the Soviets prevented them from doing so. But after USSR fell in 1991, guess what? Gulf War later that year!
The economy can crash right now will that be enough?
Yep.
A suitcase nuke can go off in cali will that be enough?
Nope.
How much more worse do things have to become?
Once the working class becomes uncomfortable with their daily lives (can’t afford bills, transportation, food, loss of jobs, etc.)
Also, you don't think living conditions WILL worsen with the current illegal immigration problems,sky rocketing poverty levels, decrease in government aid, etc?
I don’t understand the question, I already told you that it will worsen.
Yes, the conditions in america will worsen, but according to people such as yourself these conditions are 50 to 100 years away from now.
When did I say 50 to 100 years? I don’t recall saying anything like that recently? If I did it must have been over a year ago (new developments/events lead me to believe it will be MUCH sooner that).
Red Pill. If we don't get what we want, this is what we are going to do to you. If we don't have our way we are going to make sure you also suffer.
I still don’t understand why they would close them. Maybe I don't see how this will benefit the US government.
No, God (greed) is dieing because capitalism is crumbling.
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I think we will continue to disagree on this subject do to a difference in our beliefs (or lack there of).
It is my opinion that because of your beliefs, you see a doomsday scenario that WILL occur (there is no doubt in your mind it can be any different). Because of this, this discussion may be a bit useless, although it’s entertaining.
