Mike Vick is the most overated player

[reza]

hmm

ACTUALLY NO....I BASED IT ON THE FACT THAT ONE OF THESE CATS JUSTIFYING VICK AND THE RUNNING GAME..I BELEIVE IT WAS "THAT WINS GAMES"...FOR REAL???THEY WENT TO THE PLAYOFFS ONCE OR TWICE SINCE VICK HAS BEEN THERE?WHAT ABOUT TEAMS THAT PASS NON-STOP LIKE ST.LOUIS IN THE LAST 90'S EARLY 2000'S?THEY BARELY RAN AND WENT TO A SUPERBOWL...MY POINT WAS...JUST CUS YOU PLAY ONE STYLE...DONT MEAN SHIT...

Ravens and Bucs. 2000 & 2002. They ran and won superbowls. St. Louis downfall was Martz passing too much...did not utilize the running game. You use an example such as the Rams as a "pass non-stop" team to support your opinion then later say that playing one style doesn't mean shit.

VICK IS OVERRATED...IF HE DIDNT HAVE HIS LEGS...HED BE SHITTY...HE HAS NO ACCURACY...AND HORRIBLE VISION...HES NOT A LEADER LIKE BRADY OR FAVRE...HES A MARKETING TARGET....

no point in arguing against "if". His team and league uses him as a marketing target...but he does have talent to break down a defense. He mixes pass with run. I'll admit that he's not a great QB but you have to give him his props for what he does.

I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF EVERYONE THINKS HES GODS GIFT TO FOOTBALL...THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS...HIS NUMBERS ARENT GREAT(BESIDES HIS RUSHING STATS)...AND HES VERY INJURY PRONE....AND TO SAY THAT YOUD WANT A GUY LIKE VICK ON YOUR TEAM OVER A TOM BRADY OR PEYTON MANNING IS JUST RIDICULOUS....ITS MIND BLOWING....AND YOU OBVIOULSY DONT WATCH ALOTTA FOOTBALL...CMON NOW....

Vick isn't a pocket passer so don't expect his QB rating to be great. who said vick is better than brady or manning?

SCRAMBLERS AINT GONA DO MUCH IN THE NFL...IF YOU CANT PASS THE BALL...YOURE IN TROUBLE...

Maybe so. Vick still has time to develop. I am not a Vick fan, at all, but he did change the Atlanta Falcons. They would be like my niners if they did not have him. That is my opinion.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

IF HE DIDNT HAVE HIS LEGS...HED BE SHITTY...

ummmm, would any qb not be shitty without any legs?

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

^^^

I've been saying the same thing since he came into the league and everybody thought I was crazy.

Running QB's don't win SuperBowls.

Thank you.

 

[cbrennan04]

And how many Superbowls have the Falcons won with that philosphy and Vick at QB?Exactly...

The guy has lived up to the hype. People forget...Vick was #1 pick overall. Shitty ass teams get the #1 pick. Notice that within his first year as a starter that Falcon team is now a playoff team. Thats how much of an impact vick has. The way he runs and tires down the opposing teams defense is something that no other quarterback can do but him.. The speed is unbelievable. He's as fast a reciever. Stop bitching about how he can't throw and how his passing stats aren't good enough. Stats are for little bitches. Watch the GAMES!!! Getting to the super bowl is not that easy. Winning games within your first year as a starter insn't easy. But he did it. Not once but twice. boo fuckin hooo.. they didn't make it this year. The fuckin chargers didn't make the playoffs this year. Our you gonna questons LT's and Drew Brees ability?.. no. "these guys are overated cause well... they haven't won a superbowl and blah blah... they suck" dan marino could throw the football...=no superbowl for him. Same for manning as of right now. It makes no difference. Running the ball and defense is what wins games.Ask any coach that. That would be the reason why vick is sooo praised because he's the epitome of a QB that can do both run and throw. His passing isn't as good but it's alright. Dunn had a 1000 yards this year because of the o-line. But vick also played a role into that. Vick runs for 10 plus. That can be a killer to the opposing defense especially when the falcons then decide to run warrick/duckett at you... you continue that all game and the opposing defense is gonna be exausted.

 

[cbrennan04]

AT THE GREATEST QB'S IN THE NFL...HOW MANY OF THEM ARE SCRAMBLERS????NONE.EVEN PLAYERS LIKE CULPEPPER AND MCNABB...FUCKIN CUNNINGHAM...WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN...PASS FIRST AND ALMOST NEVER RUN...CUS THEY KNOW THATS HOW YOU MAKE IT IN THE NFL...

Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978 Vikings, Giants
Roger Staubach 1969-1979 Cowboys
John Elway 1983-1990 Broncos
Archie Manning 1971-1984 Saints, Oilers, Vikings
Steve Young 1985-1999 Buccaneers, 49ers
Donovan McNabb Eagles 1999-Present Eagles

...your an idiot

"CULPEPPER/MCNABB/CUNNINGHAM pass first rather then run"

haha they aren't as fast as vick. oh my god. you are an idiot.

 

[Gringo Starr]

Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978 Vikings, Giants
Roger Staubach 1969-1979 Cowboys
John Elway 1983-1990 Broncos
Archie Manning 1971-1984 Saints, Oilers, Vikings
Steve Young 1985-1999 Buccaneers, 49ers
Donovan McNabb Eagles 1999-Present Eagles

...your an idiot

"CULPEPPER/MCNABB/CUNNINGHAM pass first rather then run"

haha they aren't as fast as vick. oh my god. you are an idiot.

Dante Culpepper career rushing yards in 7 seasons(and hes been injured this year)-2476 with an average of 5.5 yds a carry and 29 TDs...with him rushing for a career high 609 YDS in 2002

But wait!!!SINCE 2002...its declined to almost NOTHING...and he passed for over 4,000 yds last year...what does that tell you fuckface?Ok...

Donavan McNabb career rushing yards in 6 seasons...and he was hurt THIS year..and in 2002..2514 yds with an average of 6.1 yds a carry and 21 TDS...with a career high of 629 yds in 2000...he passed for career numbers last year...what does that tell you?Strike 2 boy...

NOW...lets see the numbers on all your dudes up there...

ROGER STAUBACH in 11 seasons...ran for 2264 and 20 TDs...both Dante and Donovan have already done that in way less time....

FRANK TARKENTON in 18 seasons....ran for 3674 yds and 32 TDs...not as good as either if you draw a line in careers...they are both about 1000 yds and 10 TDsd away from doin this...they can do that in 3 years if they keep up the pace....

JOHN ELWAY in 16 seasons...ran for 3407 and 33 TDS...somewhat impressive...but Dante and Don will pass him in their 10ths season...if they keep runnin they way they have...

ARCHIE MANNING in 14 season...ran for 2198 yds and 18 TDS...they have both passed his ass in WAY less time...not even an arguement...

STEVE YOUNG in 15 seasons...ran for 4239 yds and 43 TDs....this is your only legitiment arguement...but ill tell you why youre still a retard when im done...

DONOVAN MCNABB...who do you think im talkin about?

NOW....back to my point...none of them cats ran for over 500 yds in a season...Young havin the highest at 454 in 1998...but he DID run for 400+ 2 other times....

Dante and Donovan on the other hand...have BOTH ran for over 500 yds...Dante over 600...and each has done it 4+ times...and they have only been in the league for 6 and 7 seasons....

But they realize PASSING is more important...Steve Young...was a true athlete...and he DID win a Superbowl...and he ALSO had weapons....Dante and Donovan DONT...although Dante had Moss for 3 seasons....

DID you ever watch Donovan or Dante in college dude?No?Guess what...Donovan used to hold the record for career rushing yds at Syrcause...Dante holds 30..yes 30..school records at UCF...one...rushing yds in a career.....imagine that!!!

Donovan and Dante are PROVEN "rushing" QBs that have leanred to be more efficient passers...and they will both end up with 5000+ yds rushing in thier careers...more than all them dudes...in last time....they are "rushing" QBs that pass first...

Now the difference between all these guys?THEY CAN PASS....VICK CANNOT...

Once again...arguement over....thanks for playing...ok...bye bye then....

 

[T-Dubb]

"John Elway a scrambler??Oh WOW....bye...you already lost homeboy...you are NOT allowed to even DIRECT posts at me...in his forum...any longer...now kick rocks..."


so you are tryin to say Elway wasnt a scrambler? HAHAHAHA
the dude has over 3,000 yards rushing. you gotta be a youngster homie

all those dudes cb brennan posted up were some scramblers.

 

[Gringo Starr]

"John Elway a scrambler??Oh WOW....bye...you already lost homeboy...you are NOT allowed to even DIRECT posts at me...in his forum...any longer...now kick rocks..."


so you are tryin to say Elway wasnt a scrambler? HAHAHAHA
the dude has over 3,000 yards rushing. you gotta be a youngster homie

all those dudes cb brennan posted up were some scramblers.

Youre right...read what i posted up there...im 27 and older than you...relax...

Elway was never labeled a "scrambler"....Cunningham,McNabb,Culpepper were...get your facts straight and see what im speakin on beofre you post....

 

[Gringo Starr]

The guy has lived up to the hype. People forget...Vick was #1 pick overall. Shitty ass teams get the #1 pick.

Uhhhh...so?

Notice that within his first year as a starter that Falcon team is now a playoff team.

He was injured for half his first year....so youre statement doenst even make any sense...

Thats how much of an impact vick has. The way he runs and tires down the opposing teams defense is something that no other quarterback can do but him.. The speed is unbelievable. He's as fast a reciever.

Youre right...until NOW...teams hgave adapted to his shit...cus they know his ass cant throw!!

Stop bitching about how he can't throw and how his passing stats aren't good enough. Stats are for little bitches. Watch the GAMES!!!

Stats are for bitches?Stats determine how good you are to the WORLD ass clown...and is he not..ONCE again...a QB?Whats a QBs job?TO THROW THE BALL!!!!IMAGINE FUCIN THAT!!!Get outta here with that shit....

Getting to the super bowl is not that easy. Winning games within your first year as a starter insn't easy. But he did it.

Once again....they had a LOSING record his first year...and in the 8 games he played...he was 2-6...are you that dumb?

Not once but twice.

Huh?

boo fuckin hooo.. they didn't make it this year. The fuckin chargers didn't make the playoffs this year. Our you gonna questons LT's and Drew Brees ability?.. no.

No...cus NEITHER one of these guys have the HYPE that VIck has..so youre areguement is irrelevent...

"these guys are overated cause well... they haven't won a superbowl and blah blah... they suck" dan marino could throw the football...=no superbowl for him. Same for manning as of right now.

Ill give you that....but they knew how to throw the fuckin ball for christ sakes....

It makes no difference. Running the ball and defense is what wins games.Ask any coach that. That would be the reason why vick is sooo praised because he's the epitome of a QB that can do both run and throw. His passing isn't as good but it's alright..

How many times are you gonna contradict yourself in here buddy??The whole point of this conversation...is that VICK CANT THROW!!!!!Ass clown....

Bye-bye!

 

[cbrennan04]

Oh my god. Everything i said you ignored.

Answer these qeustons. Ovbiously you didn't read closely.

Uhhhh...so?

My point is that...falcons team sucked ass. Vick turned that franchise around.

Did Vick not help this franchise become a winnning organization? Yes or No.


No shit. He didn't play every single game his rookie year. A matter fact he didn't play at all. He sat and learned. The year after he took that team to the playoffs.

Did micheal vick not take that falcons team to the playoffs 2 times out 2 full seasons that he has played? Yes or No.

He was injured for half his first year....so youre statement doenst even make any sense...

He got hurt the year after he took that falcons team to the playoffs. Remember he got hurt in the preseason?
Falcons were 5-11 that year. Notice they finished that year off 3-1 when vick came back?

Did vick not prove that without him the falcons cannot win Yes or No?

Youre right...until NOW...teams hgave adapted to his shit...cus they know his ass cant throw!!

lol since your the stat boy. why don't you tell me how many touchdowns he's ran for this year. I can tell you he damn near has 20 in his career. I can't imagine any other passing QB doing that. Thats why vick is praised. When he can throw fo 15 + and run 6+... theres not much to argue about. yeah your right. He's gonna have to change his ways try to improve his passer ratio and % but the guy still gets 10 + 20 yarder rushes a year and gets into the endzone every year throwing or passing.

Stats are for bitches?Stats determine how good you are to the WORLD ass clown...and is he not..ONCE again...a QB?Whats a QBs job?TO THROW THE BALL!!!!IMAGINE FUCIN THAT!!!Get outta here with that shit....

They are! Say lebron james. Nobody can apprieciate how much this guy is a team player unless you watch tape. You can't just look at his stats and evaluate. Thats retarded. The most kidish thing to ever do is say that someone is overated by looking at their stats.

Are stats for kiddies? Yes or No.

Once again....they had a LOSING record his first year...and in the 8 games he played...he was 2-6...are you that dumb?

He started in two of those game. 113 pass attempts. You honestly thought vick was actually starting and giving his full potential. That was the learning process. They throw his ass in there like they did with eli. Your being a flat out dick for counting that year to be even legit. Im not dumb. Your dumb for callin me dumb and your dumb because your saying vick was the outcome of that 2-6 record and for trying use his rookie year which he only started in two games as an arguement against my statement that i made about how vick took atlanta to the playoffs 2 straight years. Which he played all 32 games.... yes he did take atlanta to the playoffs 2 years which when he was healthy!

Using vicks rookie year to attack my statement is child like and nip picking. Yes or No?

Getta fuck outta here

Huh?

Falcons went to playoffs two times with vick as there starting QB... Yes or No?

No...cus NEITHER one of these guys have the HYPE that VIck has..so youre areguement is irrelevent...

Were talking about overated am i right? So if vick is overated because he can't throw and they didn't make the playoffs this year according to you thats why vick is overated. You made that pretty damn clear. The chargers is a super bowl caliber team. They didn't make the playoffs. Should we assume that the chargers are overated? No. It's the nfl. Vick has proven that they can make it to the playoffs with him running it. They didn't make it this year. Too bad. It's not like they were a below 500 team this year. They will be back next year and back at it again including the chargers. Thats how the nfl is shit happens.

Ill give you that....but they knew how to throw the fuckin ball for christ sakes....

I get 2 kudooo points. YES!

How many times are you gonna contradict yourself in here buddy??The whole point of this conversation...is that VICK CANT THROW!!!!!Ass clown....

Topic title= Vick is overated!
Negatives in this thread
vick is overated.
vick didn't get the falcons to playoffs this yr.
vick cant throw.
vick is not a leader.
vick is only a marketable target.
vick is not as good as these guys...blah
his passing stats aren't good enough


Positives
Vick accumilated 34 touchdowns*(passed & rushed) within his first year as a starter
Vick leads falcons to playoff under 9-6-1 record.
Vick gets hurt. Falcons 5-11(last 4 gms vick won 3)
Vick comes back the next year leads Falcons to 11-5. Damn near made it to the super bowl but lossed to phili.
Vick has a career total 19 rush touchdowns.
2820 7.0 avg carry and 33 twenty + yarder rushes.
Thats where he stands in the world!! with stats buddy.

02'-9-6-1
03'-5-11 *Injured
04'-11-5
05'-8-7...Divison Leaders:Tampa(10-5)/Carolina(10-5)

My arguement on why vick is not overated and for a good reason.

 

[cbrennan04]

AT THE GREATEST QB'S IN THE NFL...HOW MANY OF THEM ARE SCRAMBLERS????NONE.

-you

>My reply
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978 Vikings, Giants
Roger Staubach 1969-1979 Cowboys
John Elway 1983-1990 Broncos
Archie Manning 1971-1984 Saints, Oilers, Vikings
Steve Young 1985-1999 Buccaneers, 49ers
Donovan McNabb Eagles 1999-Present Eagles

Your Reply...sum it up
you gave me a list of all the stats from all those players that i listed. and then you
you said they can pass and vick can't.

then you said...

Once again...arguement over....thanks for playing...ok...bye bye then....

You said what great scrambling QB has ever been succesful in the nfl?... you said none. I even got your quote up their dummy. You said it. None good scramblers.

In a way you used that to say vick has no future. I gave you a list of guys that had been succesfull scrambling QB's throughout there careers who also won superbowls.

You replied back... you said they can throw vick can't. Ignoring the fact that you said "there was no successfull running QB's in the nfl." I proved you wrong. Then you try to play it off by giving me there career stats...remember according to you..there are no good scrambling QB in the history of the nfl.. Soounds to be that you are dodging bullets and ignoring the things that i have said.

My whole arguement is that you do not think before you talk. Therefore you did not think before you made this thread. Therefore you need to think before you ramble off and let everyone hear about what you have to say... then to have someone like me correct you. Rather then say that i was right you changed it and flipped it and said they can pass and vick cant. Then you say that i lossed the arguement... haha
I was right and you were wrong.... That doesn't seem right does it?

"AT THE GREATEST QB'S IN THE NFL...HOW MANY OF THEM ARE SCRAMBLERS????NONE."

you used this statement to try to valid your point on how vick is overated. But what you said... it's wrong.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Oh my god. Everything i said you ignored.

Answer these qeustons. Ovbiously you didn't read closely.

I can read just fine thanks...youre in denial...

My point is that...falcons team sucked ass. Vick turned that franchise around.

Did Vick not help this franchise become a winnning organization? Yes or No.

I wont deny that...but now he has that pressure on him to UPHOLD that winning style...and he failed this year=OVERRATED

No shit. He didn't play every single game his rookie year. A matter fact he didn't play at all. He sat and learned. The year after he took that team to the playoffs.

He didnt play at all???Uhhhh....ar eyou on drugs?

Did micheal vick not take that falcons team to the playoffs 2 times out 2 full seasons that he has played? Yes or No.

Yes.He did.And whats that got to do with him bein overrated?Is football NOT a team sport?

He got hurt the year after he took that falcons team to the playoffs. Remember he got hurt in the preseason?
Falcons were 5-11 that year. Notice they finished that year off 3-1 when vick came back?

Actualy...he was 3-2...get your stats right before youargue with me....

Did vick not prove that without him the falcons cannot win Yes or No?

Do you know who his back up is???LOL...cmon bro...theres a REASON backups are just that...

lol since your the stat boy. why don't you tell me how many touchdowns he's ran for this year. I can tell you he damn near has 20 in his career. I can't imagine any other passing QB doing that. Thats why vick is praised. When he can throw fo 15 + and run 6+... theres not much to argue about. yeah your right. He's gonna have to change his ways try to improve his passer ratio and % but the guy still gets 10 + 20 yarder rushes a year and gets into the endzone every year throwing or passing.

And?Did you see the list of QBs that have ran for more than 20 TDs in a career?Dante and Donovan have both done it...

Vick is praised cus he does make amazing plays...and thats all people see....they dont look at his HORRIBLE passing stats...why not make him a RB?Cus thats bascially wahthe is....hes throws about as good as one...

They are! Say lebron james. Nobody can apprieciate how much this guy is a team player unless you watch tape. You can't just look at his stats and evaluate. Thats retarded. The most kidish thing to ever do is say that someone is overated by looking at their stats.

Wow....Lebrons stats are great...so whats youre argiement?Hes scores 30 a game and dishes out 6 a game...how is that not bein a team player???Look at his shot attempts...THATS how you determione a true team player or not....cut the crap kiddo....

Are stats for kiddies? Yes or No.

No.

He started in two of those game. 113 pass attempts. You honestly thought vick was actually starting and giving his full potential. That was the learning process. They throw his ass in there like they did with eli. Your being a flat out dick for counting that year to be even legit. Im not dumb. Your dumb for callin me dumb and your dumb because your saying vick was the outcome of that 2-6 record and for trying use his rookie year which he only started in two games as an arguement against my statement that i made about how vick took atlanta to the playoffs 2 straight years. Which he played all 32 games.... yes he did take atlanta to the playoffs 2 years which when he was healthy!

A dick?Yes.

"youre dumb for callin me dumb"...no...im a dick...

Youre right he did....but he was healthy for a majority of this year...no playoffs...

Using vicks rookie year to attack my statement is child like and nip picking. Yes or No?

No.Im a realist...get with the program..

Getta fuck outta here

I rule this forum...dotn expect me to leave anytime soon bucko

Falcons went to playoffs two times with vick as there starting QB... Yes or No?

Gettin a lil redundent arent we?

Were talking about overated am i right? So if vick is overated because he can't throw and they didn't make the playoffs this year according to you thats why vick is overated. You made that pretty damn clear. The chargers is a super bowl caliber team. They didn't make the playoffs. Should we assume that the chargers are overated? No. It's the nfl. Vick has proven that they can make it to the playoffs with him running it. They didn't make it this year. Too bad. It's not like they were a below 500 team this year. They will be back next year and back at it again including the chargers. Thats how the nfl is shit happens.

Vick is overrated...AS A QB!!!Is this not gettin through you thick skull????He CANT PASS!!!!THEY WILL NEVER WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH HIM AT QB!!!JUST LIKE HE COULD NEVER GET VIRGINIA TECH OVER THE HUMP...ALWAYS RIGHT THERE...BUT NO CIGAR!!!

Topic title= Vick is overated!

He is.

Negatives in this thread
vick is overated.

how many times are you gonna repeat yourself?

vick didn't get the falcons to playoffs this yr.

Correct.

vick cant throw.

Correct.

vick is not a leader.

Correct.

vick is only a marketable target.

Correct.Number one jersey sold 3 of the 5 years hes been in the league.

vick is not as good as these guys...blah

Extremely true.

his passing stats aren't good enough

Very true.

Positives
Vick accumilated 34 touchdowns*(passed & rushed) within his first year as a starter

True.Thoguht you didnt like stats?

Vick leads falcons to playoff under 9-6-1 record.

True.

Vick gets hurt. Falcons 5-11(last 4 gms vick won 3)

Listen buddy...how many teams win the same amount of games with their back up QBS?Exactly...so this arguement righ here is very irrelevent...so dont bring it up again...

Vick comes back the next year leads Falcons to 11-5. Damn near made it to the super bowl but lossed to phili.

See above statement

Vick has a career total 19 rush touchdowns.

And?Dante has ran for 29...whats your point?

2820 7.0 avg carry and 33 twenty + yarder rushes.

And this goes completely agsint your arguement!HE STILL CANT PASS!!!THATS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT!!!!TRY AGAIN!

Thats where he stands in the world!! with stats buddy.

Im not impressed.

02'-9-6-1
03'-5-11 *Injured
04'-11-5
05'-8-7...Divison Leaders:Tampa(10-5)/Carolina(10-5)

My arguement on why vick is overated and for a good reason.

So you agree he is?

Look...the same can be said for Drew Brees....Peyton Manning...Matt Hasselback.....Jake Delhomme...Tom Brady...on and on and on and on...ALOT of QBs have turned franchises around...its not a big deal...it happens ALL THE TIME!!!So cut the crap...please!!!!

The fact is...youre hero will NEVER...and i mean NEVER...win a Superbowl....EVER

UNLESS...he learns to PASS THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can everyone please understand that?Hes lucky to even BE in the NFL...like i said...if it werent for his legs...he woudlnt be inthe league...hes Senaca Wallace that runs a 40 meter dash .3 seconds faster....but at least Seneca can throw the rock...

im gonna repeat this 10 times for you so you can understand me...kapeesh?

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl

A true scrambling QB will never win a Superbowl


THAT=VICK

Hes overrated...he should not be a QB....end of story.

This arguement is over.

NEXT!

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

LOL, Vick is lucky to be in the NFL? You're pushing it. Seneca Wallace? First Bledsoe and now Seneca? A QB's job isn't just to pass the ball. Managing the game, audibles, SCRAMBLING, they are all part of a QB's job. How do rule this forum by the way? Your OPINION counts more than others'? Maybe you should set your ego aside and quit talking about how great you are. If you think Vick will never win a Super Bowl, only time will tell. We can't argue over the future. :dead:

 

[reza]

LOL, Vick is lucky to be in the NFL? You're pushing it. Seneca Wallace? First Bledsoe and now Seneca? A QB's job isn't just to pass the ball. Managing the game, audibles, SCRAMBLING, they are all part of a QB's job. How do rule this forum by the way? Your OPINION counts more than others'? Maybe you should set your ego aside and quit talking about how great you are. If you think Vick will never win a Super Bowl, only time will tell. We can't argue over the future. :dead:

co-sign

 

[cbrennan04]

UPHOLD that winning style...and he failed this year=OVERRATED

He failed... Yes but give him some kudos. For christ sakes they are in the division in which the panthers and bucs are 10-5.

He didnt play at all???Uhhhh....ar eyou on drugs?

I don't evaluate anybody off a 2 game start and some 3 Q relief. Thats just bullshit. He was a rookie.

Remember before that offense was changed to west coast vick throw 16 tds/8int 81 pass ratio. On top of that 700 rush yds with 8 tds. Was that not impressive? To count this guy out and say he's never gonna win a supper bowl... i just do not agree.

Yes.He did.And whats that got to do with him bein overrated?

- comment to me stating that he made the playoffs twice.

According to you, it has alot to do with him being overated. If vick doesn't make the playoffs. To you... he's overated.

Is football NOT a team sport?

Yeah it is.. so i assume the falcons should have no problem with their back up QB... cause afterall it's a team sport... again fuck outta here.

Actualy...he was 3-2...get your stats right before youargue with me....

My bad...
Points down at quote below.

AT THE GREATEST QB'S IN THE NFL...HOW MANY OF THEM ARE SCRAMBLERS????NONE. - gringo

.... yeah thats what you said.
Get your "facts" right before you argue with me.
Then i'll get my stats right you critic.

Do you know who his back up is???LOL...cmon bro...theres a REASON backups are just that...

I thought football is a team sport?

And?Did you see the list of QBs that have ran for more than 20 TDs in a career?Dante and Donovan have both done it...

Yeah... but those guys don't rush for 900 yards... do they? Thats how you open up the pass. Dante and Donovan both has more yrs on vick. You don't compare him with those twoo when comparing career stats... thats why stats are for kiddies. You compare the way they play on the field.

Vick is praised cus he does make amazing plays...and thats all people see....they dont look at his HORRIBLE passing stats...why not make him a RB?Cus thats bascially wahthe is....hes throws about as good as one...

He throws as about as good as one? Accuracy sucks. But the power.. c'mon... it's a rocket launcher thats why he plays the QB position. Why play RB when vick can easily step back/act like he's gonna throw and then rush for 20 + on a 3rd and long. Getting touchdowns in the redzone is easy.. if you got vick.

Youre right he did....but he was healthy for a majority of this year...no playoffs...

Yeah but it's the nfl like I said before. It ain't easy when two teams in your division are 10-5. Cut the man some slack. He will be back and he will automatically make that team a contender again.

WILL NEVER WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH HIM AT QB

Again. I do not agree with you.

The fact is...youre hero will NEVER...and i mean NEVER...win a Superbowl....EVER

Michael Vick is not overated. Throwing the ball... is not his forte. Too bad. He's won games running the ball and he will continue to do just that. Superbowl? Nah thats on the team not just the QB. Your talkin about defense. Coach. Look at the pats. Vick is not obligated to pass. It does not mean he ain't never gonna win a super bowl. I mean fuck.. tent dilfer won a super bowl. Get the fuck outta here.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

LOL, Vick is lucky to be in the NFL? You're pushing it. Seneca Wallace? First Bledsoe and now Seneca? A QB's job isn't just to pass the ball. Managing the game, audibles, SCRAMBLING, they are all part of a QB's job. How do rule this forum by the way? Your OPINION counts more than others'? Maybe you should set your ego aside and quit talking about how great you are. If you think Vick will never win a Super Bowl, only time will tell. We can't argue over the future. :dead:

Youre not even on my radar...be gone pion...

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

He failed... Yes but give him some kudos. For christ sakes they are in the division in which the panthers and bucs are 10-5.

OK...ill give you that.

I don't evaluate anybody off a 2 game start and some 3 Q relief. Thats just bullshit. He was a rookie.

I do...deal with it.

Remember before that offense was changed to west coast vick throw 16 tds/8int 81 pass ratio. On top of that 700 rush yds with 8 tds. Was that not impressive? To count this guy out and say he's never gonna win a supper bowl... i just do not agree.

Well,why did they change it then if he flourished so well?

- comment to me stating that he made the playoffs twice.

According to you, it has alot to do with him being overated. If vick doesn't make the playoffs. To you... he's overated.

The point ive been drillin here is...hes EXPECTED to make the playoffs...thats my whole fuckin POINT!!!!Hes got so much on his shoulders then when he doesnt fulfill these expectations...he looks bad..

Yeah it is.. so i assume the falcons should have no problem with their back up QB... cause afterall it's a team sport... again fuck outta here.

Twisting my words around i see?

Let me explain something to you..the QB...is the heart of the offense...hes the leader...hw makes the calls...if he cant DO that...he fucks up everything.Look back at ALL the Superbowls ever played...i gurantee you will find one HELL of a QB with the ring...BUT....you can have a great QB...and shitty recievers...you can have a HORIBLE QB...and great recievers...it takes one...and it takes all...they can only do theyre part...and also...DEFENSE must do their part...so YOU get the fuck outa here...you obvioulsy arent UNDERSTANDING what im sayin....

My bad...
Points down at quote below.



.... yeah thats what you said.
Get your "facts" right before you argue with me.
Then i'll get my stats right you critic.

My "facts" are staight...no PURE SCRAMBING QB has EVER won a Superbowl...are you retarded?

I thought football is a team sport?

It is...see above.

Yeah... but those guys don't rush for 900 yards... do they? Thats how you open up the pass. Dante and Donovan both has more yrs on vick. You don't compare him with those twoo when comparing career stats... thats why stats are for kiddies. You compare the way they play on the field.

LOL...oh really?ive showed the stats...Dante has been int he league for 1 more year than Vick...and Donovan 2....so kill that noise...

They dont rush for as MANY yards as Vick...you know why asshole???

CUS THEY BOTH HAVE ACCURATE ARMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...it must feel shitty to be so wrong huh?

He throws as about as good as one? Accuracy sucks. But the power.. c'mon... it's a rocket launcher thats why he plays the QB position. Why play RB when vick can easily step back/act like he's gonna throw and then rush for 20 + on a 3rd and long. Getting touchdowns in the redzone is easy.. if you got vick.

Youre a moron...a full fledge,retarded moron...

let me be specific with your quote..

He throws as about as good as one? Accuracy sucks. But the power.. c'mon... it's a rocket launcher thats why he plays the QB position

For all purposes...you lose this arguement right here...

SO...in YOUR theory...any ONE....with the ability to throw a pass...50+ yards...is elgible to play QB???Even if they couldnt hit an elephant from 20 yards away????WOW....thats all i can say to you dude is...WOW....i think were about done here...



BUT...ill entertain this last thesis....cus its just funny to embarrass you...

Michael Vick is not overated.

As a QB?Yes.As an ahtlete?No.

Throwing the ball... is not his forte.

THEN WHY THE FUCK IS HE PLAYIN THAT POSITION????????????????????????

Too bad.

...Theyll never wina superbowl with him a "QB'..

He's won games running the ball and he will continue to do just that.

Yet you say this a few sentences later...

Your talkin about defense. Coach.
Superbowl? Nah thats on the team not just the QB.

Like i said...football is a team sport...thanks for verifying that!

Look at the pats.

Again...thanks for backin me up...i like it when people make me look good!

Vick is not obligated to pass.

THEN WHY THE FUCK IS HE PLAYIN THAT POSITION????????????????????????

It does not mean he ain't never gonna win a super bowl. I mean fuck.. tent dilfer won a super bowl.

And?Trent is a heck of a leader...and he had a GREAT TEAM AROUND HIM..WITH A GREAT COACH!!!!!AND...the best DEFENSE in the league that year...cmon bro....you gotta with somethin better than that lame arguement!

Get the fuck outta here.

Maybe you should...since you obviously have no idean what the fuck a QB is...you seem to think that QBS don pass...they just run around with thier heads cut off...tell that to Marino,Elway and Montana...im sure theyll agree!!!!

NEXT!

 

[THIZZLAMIC408]

I think Vick is a good quaterback, could be great if he worked on his accuracy. But in my opinion he need some receivers, his best one is a TE. Maybe a Chad Johnson, Hines Ward, or even a Steve Smith would help some. And I think them not having good receivers has something to do that Atlanta is one of the best rushing TEAMS overall. 1st in Yards 1st in Yds/Game 1st in Attempts. But in my opinion stats do count if you want to analyze why a player is not good in a catagory example if Vick throws 50 times in one game and he only completes 15 passes (say he has TO on his team) then Id say man Vick cant throw for shit. But lets say the same stats 15/50 and he has the 49ers receivers then Id be like I understand they have no receivers. I dont know if that last part made sense but the point is Stats do matter. And Vick like I said is a good QB but not great yet, theres only room for improvement (hopefully).

 

[cbrennan04]

Let me explain something to you..the QB...is the heart of the offense...hes the leader...hw makes the calls...if he cant DO that...he fucks up everything.

Your fuckin right! thats exactly what a QB is. Not some fanasty fuck that you want that can throw the ball 300 + for 30 tds a year. You know what... It's this simple... Move the fucking football down the field. Football isn't brain surgery. If vick is moving the ball up and down the field wheather it's passing or running. It doesn't fucking matter. Get this through your thick skull. Mick Vick is something special. Never has there been a player to come in the league and scare the piss pants out of defensive cordinators. Blah blah... im tired of hearing about he cant throw the football. Shut the fuck up. The man gets first downs. Score touchdowns. He sure as fuck manage a game so what the fuck are you bitching about.

My "facts" are staight...no PURE SCRAMBING QB has EVER won a Superbowl...are you retarded?

Never has there been a QB that can run as fast as mike vick.... Never. Vick is a catagory of his own. Sure theres guys that have scrambled but no has had the speed of vick.

SO...in YOUR theory...any ONE....with the ability to throw a pass...50+ yards...is elgible to play QB???Even if they couldnt hit an elephant from 20 yards away????WOW....thats all i can say to you dude is...WOW....i think were about done here...

^wow on your exageration on vick accuracy. 56%... its not spectacular. It's not great. It's ok especially if he runs for 700 yards a season.

THEN WHY THE FUCK IS HE PLAYIN THAT POSITION????????????????????????

- comments to when i said that throwing the ball is not vicks forte.

HE MOVES THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD.
HE GETS FIRST DOWNS.
HE OPENS UP THE RUNNING GAME LIKE NO OTHER
He GETS TOUCHDOWNS

Theyll never wina superbowl with him a "QB'..

I beg a differ. I might as well take down your name and number so in the long run i can call you when vick does when a super bowl.

And?Trent is a heck of a leader...and he had a GREAT TEAM AROUND HIM..WITH A GREAT COACH!!!!!AND...the best DEFENSE in the league that year...cmon bro....you gotta with somethin better than that lame arguement!

Thats my point. Thats all vick needs. Don't even tell that atlanta defense is complete. I don't wanna hear it.

 

[thascary1]

I admit I haven't read the whole thread but here is my 2 cents

2001 he only played 8 started 2 games so I will not even count this year.

2002 he played 15 games went 9-6, not bad for his first full season.

2003 ony played 5 games due to injury team went 11-5 not fair to count this season either.

2004 went 11-5 in 15 games

2005 8-7, I will go out and say they lose this week also so 8-8.

Ok so he has 2 season we wont count so this doesn't hurt or help either sides argument.

so in 3 seasons he is 28-19, that's not a bad record as a starting QB of a team. I wouldn't put it up against others though because then it isn't that good, but I would say off of record he is average, so overated yes.

Now as a qb, HE CAN'T THROW!!!! I don't care what other tangibles he brongs a qb MUST BE ABLE TO THROW. So has a qb he is waaay overrated.

now as an NFL PLAYER (NOT QB), He is an outstanding talent that has the skills to change the game at any given time against any given opponent, so I would not say he is overrated if you are saying it as an NFL player.

Now I understand this may be contradicatory to some, but seriously look at the way he is used. He is used as a qb and is overrated. But they use him as another rb and there he is dangerous.

So this arguement is correct on both sides..as a QB he SUCKS, But as another RB (which is essentially how they use him) he is unstoppable.

Does this please both sides???

Now I will throw my actual side into this.

You are not a successful QB until you have both the regular season and playoffs (including sb) Wins. one of the only exceptions here is Marino, but he has more than enough regular season wins to make up for that.

So comparing Vick to Elway, Marino, Montana, hell even Brady...he sucks.

But compare him to them all as football players and maybe the only one that compares is Elway.